Car tax

feartuath

Neighbour is away since last year his car,tax expired in November car is a 00 2.2 diesel what are his options now,

CiniO

Sell the car

slimjimmc

Change the registered owner to a family member then change it back. No need to hand over the car or money in either case, it's just a paper transaction. Keep the car off the road until the car is back in his name, but it could take a good few weeks to get the VLC back from Shannon twice.

223vmax

slimjimmc wrote: »

Change the registered owner to a family member then change it back. No need to hand over the car or money in either case, it's just a paper transaction. Keep the car off the road until the car is back in his name, but it could take a good few weeks to get the VLC back from Shannon twice.

Tax dodgers fcuking hate them...No wonder I'm feckin skint.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

223vmax wrote: »

Tax dodgers fcuking hate them...No wonder I'm feckin skint.

Nothing dodging in selling the car and then buying it back?

223vmax

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Nothing dodging in selling the car and then buying it back?

yes to avoid tax - thus a tax dodging :rolleyes:

Cleveland Hot Pocket

223vmax wrote: »

yes to avoid tax - thus a tax dodging :rolleyes:

But there is no law against selling your car and then selling it back
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

avoiding a tax that is not yet due =/= tax dodging =/= tax evasion

(arrears only become due when you go to tax a car or drive it on a public road. If neither of these has happened then the arrears are not due)

223vmax

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

But there is no law against selling your car and then selling it back
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Who said it was illegal?

It is illegal not to declare a vehicle off road though isn't it?

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

avoiding a tax that is not yet due =/= tax dodging =/= tax evasion

(arrears only become due when you go to tax a car or drive it on a public road. If neither of these has happened then the arrears are not due)

You have implied in your response that the OP neighbour wants to keep the car as you suggest for him to sell it and then buy it back thus avoid paying tax??
OP asked what options are open. Your response explains how to tax dodge.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

223vmax wrote: »

Who said it was illegal?

It is illegal not to declare a vehicle off road though isn't it?.

No

223vmax wrote: »

You have implied in your response that the OP neighbour wants to keep the car as you suggest for him to sell it and then buy it back thus avoid paying tax??
OP asked what options are open. Your response explains how to tax dodge.

I explained that if he sold the car he would not owe the back tax.

pa990

How about if he sells the car, the new owner taxs it, then he buys it back.

Slightly less immoral ?

223vmax

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/QA-DeclaringaVehicleOffTheRoad/#Q4

See Qu 4 & 9. Interesting.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

223vmax wrote: »

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/QA-DeclaringaVehicleOffTheRoad/#Q4

See Qu 4 & 9. Interesting.

yes but neither relates to anything here.

power pants

223vmax wrote: »

yes to avoid tax - thus a tax dodging :rolleyes:

i did it today :cool: why pay back dated tax when there is an obvious loophole ?

dont have money to burn giving to the government:rolleyes:

223vmax

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

yes but neither relates to anything here.

Read OP......
Did you get out of bed the wrong side, why are you argumentative?

As a broader comment, too many people on this site looking for arguments. Becomes tit-for-tat and a complete waste of time and uninformative.

tin79

223vmax wrote: »

Tax dodgers fcuking hate them...No wonder I'm feckin skint.

In fairness the law changed while he was out of the country. He wasn't given the opportunity to comply with the change. Also I doubt that's the reason you are skint TBH.

tin79

223vmax wrote: »

Read OP......
too many people on this site looking for arguments. Becomes tit-for-tat and a complete waste of time and informative.

Says the guy whose first post on the thread was this

223vmax wrote: »

Tax dodgers fcuking hate them...No wonder I'm feckin skint.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

223vmax wrote: »

Read OP......
Did you get out of bed the wrong side, why are you argumentative?

As a broader comment, too many people on this site looking for arguments. Becomes tit-for-tat and a complete waste of time and uninformative.

I'm argumentative as you are incorrect.
(and posting links that do not support your argument)

thecomedian

223vmax wrote: »

Read OP......
Did you get out of bed the wrong side, why are you argumentative?

As a broader comment, too many people on this site looking for arguments. Becomes tit-for-tat and a complete waste of time and uninformative.

Pot.....kettle.....black
Lol

Cleveland Hot Pocket

tin79 wrote: »

Says the guy whose first post on the thread was this

Some people, when they are out of retorts based on their initial point resort to that kind of comment :pac:

Obviously I am argumentative as I am disagreeing with that poster. Can't be doing that on a forum now can I :P

corktina

223vmax wrote: »

yes to avoid tax - thus a tax dodging :rolleyes:

the car was not in use, I wouldn't mind this dodge in those circumstances. it's merely regualrising the paperwork, there was no tax liability to dodge

feartuath

223vmax wrote: »

Tax dodgers fcuking hate them...No wonder I'm feckin skint.

Elderly people do leave the country from time to time especially during the winter months.

223vmax

As I understand it he's liable to pay back tax on the vehicle since the vehicle is not declared off road. He either has to sell it or pay back tax (ref earlier link). To sell the car then buy it back to avoid paying tax in my opinion is a tax dodge.

corktina

It is a dodge but it is entirely legal at present

slimjimmc

223vmax wrote: »

As I understand it he's liable to pay back tax on the vehicle since the vehicle is not declared off road. He either has to sell it or pay back tax (ref earlier link). To sell the car then buy it back to avoid paying tax in my opinion is a tax dodge.

So selling the car without paying tax arrears is not a tax dodge, but selling the car without paying tax arrears and then buying it back is?

223vmax

slimjimmc wrote: »

So selling the car without paying tax arrears is not a tax dodge, but selling the car without paying tax arrears and then buying it back is?

Lets assume that the OP neighbour owns a car. Tax expires, and the car is kept on private property. The guy then leaves the country prior to the new rule coming in and is also unaware of the new rule coming in. Sounds unlikely but lets give him the benefit of the doubt. I could argue that its the cars legal owners responsibility to know the laws regarding a vehicle owned without said vehicle being taxed but that's another issue.. Owner then returns and has every intention of using that vehicle again on public road. OP then asks what options are open to him. The initial option offered here is both immoral and a dodge. That's my gripe. Where in fact the link I posted earlier gives all information according to laws of the country. The link I posted earlier indicated that if he wants to use the vehicle again then he's due to pay tax.

Some people are making an assumption that the guy wants to keep the car but avoid paying the tax and are giving him ways to do so without paying the tax - hence a dodge.

If all people paid due taxes, mine and everyone else's tax bills would be lower, reason being people defraud and dodge to avoid paying tax therefore higher tax rates.

Whats quite amazing here is some people have no morals or responsibility in paying due taxes and would use any dodge in the book at avoid doing so.

corktina

nevertheless it is quite legal to do this and tax offices have been known to advise enquirers to do it.Get over it...

emo72

223vmax wrote: »

If all people paid due taxes, mine and everyone else's tax bills would be lower, reason being people defraud and dodge to avoid paying tax therefore higher tax rates.

mate. I'd daresay they'd find a way of spending all the extra tax:pac:

JohnCleary

223vmax wrote: »

Tax dodgers fcuking hate them...No wonder I'm feckin skint.

Are you on the dole? How else could you be skint from people 'dodging' tax? You must be relying on tax intake for your income to come out with a statement like you did.

Or is this another case of keyboard warrior?

223vmax

JohnCleary wrote: »

Are you on the dole? How else could you be skint from people 'dodging' tax? You must be relying on tax intake for your income to come out with a statement like you did.

Or is this another case of keyboard warrior?

That's just it I graft for a living keeping house, wife and kids. I pay all my taxes ajd dues and after doing so I am skint. I've come to the conclusion that some of you just don't get it.

CiniO

223vmax wrote: »

That's just it I graft for a living keeping house, wife and kids. I pay all my taxes ajd dues and after doing so I am skint. I've come to the conclusion that some of you just don't get it.

Everyone pays what he/she have to pay.
If there is a legal way to avoid paying, it's obvious people are going to use it.
I would anyway.

223vmax

CiniO wrote: »

Everyone pays what he/she have to pay.
If there is a legal way to avoid paying, it's obvious people are going to use it.
I would anyway.

Not so sure about that. I think it's a case of if I can get away without paying it I won't, regardless of disposable income.

JohnCleary

223vmax wrote: »

That's just it I graft for a living keeping house, wife and kids. I pay all my taxes ajd dues and after doing so I am skint. I've come to the conclusion that some of you just don't get it.

Sounds like you're a bit angry with life and feel you're getting the hard end of the stick.

Must try harder.

Jesus.

223vmax wrote: »

As a broader comment, too many people on this site looking for arguments. Becomes tit-for-tat and a complete waste of time and uninformative.

Completely agree. Although in this case it was you who was looking for the argument!

TheHappyChappy

If i could get away with out paying car tax i would!

That Fine Gael senator in Galway didn't have any problem dodging it.....

why should ordinary working people keep paying & no thanks for it?

223vmax

Jesus. wrote: »

Completely agree. Although in this case it was you who was looking for the argument!

Oh no it wasn't. ...

223vmax

JohnCleary wrote: »

Sounds like you're a bit angry with life and feel you're getting the hard end of the stick.

Must try harder.

:rolleyes: