Phonewatch Simon 3 system - External Box?

JFKIRELAND

Hi Folks,
I have a (Eircom) Phonewatch Simon 3 wireless system installed since '06.
Upon testing I noticed the outside alarm box neither flashed nor sounded - only the internal alarm sounded.
Is this outside box a dummy box or should it be hooked up to function as part of an alarm activation with lights & sound?
Is there a setting that is turned off/deleted?

Thanks in advance
JK

KoolKid

As standard PW only install a decoy box. A working external bell is an optional extra.

stuartkee

it only takes a 6v bell so they not easy to get I have a few still normal bell boxes are 12v and will not work

altor

JFKIRELAND wrote: »

Hi Folks,
I have a (Eircom) Phonewatch Simon 3 wireless system installed since '06.
Upon testing I noticed the outside alarm box neither flashed nor sounded - only the internal alarm sounded.
Is this outside box a dummy box or should it be hooked up to function as part of an alarm activation with lights & sound?
Is there a setting that is turned off/deleted?

Thanks in advance
JK

REW on the suppliers list here sell them. It is a 6V SABB you would need. Just ring in advance and they will get it for you. You would need engineer access to the control panel to add the working SABB.

stuartkee

REW don't have them I asked the other day

Evolution1

As an extra they cost €250 from phonewatch possibly more with the new price strategy .. You'll have to check and see that you're not in a contract with them.

altor

stuartkee wrote: »

REW don't have them I asked the other day

Just ring in advance and they will get it for you. Only got a few the other day off them.

kub

As I previously mentioned took over a PW Simon XT today, the client got them to fit and extra siren in his property, they used a HKC Echo internal siren, not as loud as usual but did work on the 9 volts.

KoolKid

I really must get around to trying this..
If you have a 6 or 9 volt panel and want to connect a standard bell. Can you use an external 12volt power supply and common the negatives.? If you do this can the negative from the panel trigger the 12volt standard bell?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

I really must get around to trying this..
If you have a 6 or 9 volt panel and want to connect a standard bell. Can you use an external 12volt power supply and common the negatives.? If you do this can the negative from the panel trigger the 12volt standard bell?

Hmmm interesting i wonder though would the 12 volts from the PSU supersede the 6/9 volts from the panel. Perhaps a 6/9 volt relay coil?

Although, hold off SAB with 12vdc from PSU, then - trigger from panel, suppose a negative common between 12vdc PSU and panel is needed.

altor

kub wrote: »

As I previously mentioned took over a PW Simon XT today, the client got them to fit and extra siren in his property, they used a HKC Echo internal siren, not as loud as usual but did work on the 9 volts.

Its a low voltage one that should be used. GE SECURITY 13-949 Interior Piezo Siren. Low voltage panel, same with the external bell.

Evolution1

kub wrote: »

As I previously mentioned took over a PW Simon XT today, the client got them to fit and extra siren in his property, they used a HKC Echo internal siren, not as loud as usual but did work on the 9 volts.

Both the simon and simon xt will work fine once you don't exceed 250mA @ 6v. You can compensate for a 12v siren by using a less mA

The panel struggles to power the strobe on simon 6v sabb so the normal HKC bell should work fine as it's using LEDs to strobe and you can set the bell to use the internal battery for its main power when in alarm.

KoolKid

PSU and a relay will obviousally work. SB1s will also work as an internal. I've used a few times on Risco panels.

altor

An easier option is to add a 6v Sabb. Works out cheaper too.

KoolKid

Agreed, If you have one.
Some lads might prefer their own bells though.

kub

My ex PW client has seen sense, we are removing the Simon and replacing it with an ATS1000 and wireless card.

So back to the familiar 12 v.

KoolKid

Beat solution over all.
Can the Ats take duel frequencies?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

Beat solution over all.
Can the Ats take duel frequencies?

Well this system was installed in 2011 so i am assuming (dangerous word) that we are dealing with 868.

AFAIK it just depends on which radio receiver card you need.

What are you thinking Siemens?

KoolKid

No just thinking if you take over a 433 system can you add 868 devices?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

No just thinking if you take over a 433 system can you add 868 devices?

Probably need 2 wireless receivers one for each frequency.

altor

kub wrote: »

My ex PW client has seen sense, we are removing the Simon and replacing it with an ATS1000 and wireless card.

So back to the familiar 12 v.

Has he got a problem with the Simon that he is replacing it for another control panel?

Evolution1

The simon 3 works on 433.92mhz
The simon xt is 868mhz

Send the panel my way if you don't want it !

Evolution1

kub wrote: »

Probably need 2 wireless receivers one for each frequency.

You could use the likes of the siemens or Hkc 10/70 .. Use a 433 quick bridge for the 10 hardwired zones and keep the existing RF sensors

kub

altor wrote: »

Has he got a problem with the Simon that he is replacing it for another control panel?

Just the whole lack of security of it.

KoolKid

Just looking at the easiest option for taking over a pw system.

Evolution1

KoolKid wrote: »

Just looking at the easiest option for taking over a pw system.

For the simon 3 you could keep the panel and charge the account and phone number same for the simon xt.

There's a new ge 868mhz panel that will take the simon xt 868 sensors

kub

Evolution1 wrote: »

For the simon 3 you could keep the panel and charge the account and phone number same for the simon xt.

There's a new ge 868mhz panel that will take the simon xt 868 sensors

Other than the ATS1000 with wire less card?

altor

kub wrote: »

Just the whole lack of security of it.

To add security you could just move the control panel to a different location and install a keypad in the hall. Is that the main concern?

Evolution1

Does anyone know what frequency the two way talking touchpad for the simon 3 uses ? It's not 433mhz like the sensors

altor

What version is the Simon?

Evolution1

4.1

altor

Should work with 3.3 or higher.
Is it an imported keypad?

Evolution1

altor wrote: »

Should work with 3.3 or higher.
Is it an imported keypad?

I'm wondering what frequency it uses .
It's the European simon 3
The sensors are 433 but the talking keypad uses a different frequency

altor

Evolution1 wrote: »

I'm wondering what frequency it uses .
It's the European simon 3
The sensors are 433 but the talking keypad uses a different frequency

Needs to be 433 to work with the Euro Simon.
Sounds like the keypad is 319.

Evolution1

the keypad works fine with the panel but the keypads are on a different frequency to the sensors to avoid conflict during transmissions ...
It's not written on the keypad as to what frequency it's using

altor

Evolution1 wrote: »

the keypad works fine with the panel but the keypads are on a different frequency to the sensors to avoid conflict during transmissions ...
It's not written on the keypad as to what frequency it's using

If it learns in its 433, same as the sensors. Its learned into one of the 24 zones so is communicating with the control panel, just the group its learned in on would be different. Same with the fobs.