Why not just acknowledge you're wrong..

whomitconcerns

Its not something I have encountered as much driving in any other country..

On the way in this morning, there's a small hard left to go to Killester just off the artane roundabout. Queue of traffic there this morning and some genius has cut the corner right across my lane at 45' so I cant proceed around the corner. So I just gesture at the window with an open hand as in "what am I meant to do" He mouths f$$% off and gives me the finger...traffic clears and he drives on still angrily giving me the finger...

i mean if Im in the wrong while driving I am quite apologetic and acknowledge my mistake...would never consider this reaction..

But from my experience and from talking to others also this happens all too frequently in Ireland..Why are so many people in this country such a$$$holes when driving?

(Also add to this category people in middle lane of motorway)

djimi

There are assholes in all walks of life; youre going to encounter a lot of them when driving.

hoodie6029

They feel protected in their metal shell and react differently then they normally would. If he bumped off you on the street he's be apologetic.

whomitconcerns

i know...but seriously just do the "sorry my mistake" face....why makes people have that crazy overreaction...I have not seen this (I am sure it happens) in the US or Europe....

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Everyone think's they're a great driver. In reality they aren't. Everyone makes mistakes but as soon as you put someone behind a wheel they think their infallible. Its actually quite an interesting phenomenon.

djimi

whomitconcerns wrote: »

I have not seen this (I am sure it happens) in the US or Europe....

It happens everywhere; Ireland is not unique in this regard.

intellectual dosser

I messed up this morning coming to work, tried to join the left turning lane at traffic lights (that light goes green 30 seconds earlier) and ended up stationary in the middle of a cycle lane - I managed to be gone before an approaching cyclist reached me. My mistake.

Anyone who thinks they're a brilliant driver, is not a brilliant driver.

BrensBenz

Please read thousands of previous posts! There are shedloads of evidence that the best drivers in the world are boards.ie posters. Everybody's wrong except us. Betcha those "other" drivers are only on FaceBook and cyclists are on Twitter.

When I was learning to drive, I was told to expect and be prepared for ignorant idiots in EVERY situation. I've driven on four continents and that advice has never failed me. When you expect and then see stupidity, you won't get stressed. Promise.

Now, tell us all about the lane hoggers and those with permanent foglights.

timmy4u2

BrensBenz wrote: »

Please read thousands of previous posts! There are shedloads of evidence that the best drivers in the world are boards.ie posters. Everybody's wrong except us. Betcha those "other" drivers are only on FaceBook and cyclists are on Twitter.

When I was learning to drive, I was told to expect and be prepared for ignorant idiots in EVERY situation. I've driven on four continents and that advice has never failed me. When you expect and then see stupidity, you won't get stressed. Promise.

Now, tell us all about the lane hoggers and those with permanent foglights.

Sooo evidently you are one of them:D

whomitconcerns

BrensBenz wrote: »

Please read thousands of previous posts! There are shedloads of evidence that the best drivers in the world are boards.ie posters. Everybody's wrong except us. Betcha those "other" drivers are only on FaceBook and cyclists are on Twitter.

When I was learning to drive, I was told to expect and be prepared for ignorant idiots in EVERY situation. I've driven on four continents and that advice has never failed me. When you expect and then see stupidity, you won't get stressed. Promise.

Now, tell us all about the lane hoggers and those with permanent foglights.

Erm....as I pointed out..I don't get stressed...I do make mistakes...I just acknowledge them and apologise in whatever form makes sense at the time...be that a waved sorry or a rear mirror apology..or whatever...I dont go crazy and give people the finger...

My personal favorite is about 3 years ago on the straight bit of that same road. Driving along and theres a car parked on rhs of road. Next thing a bmw comes flying from behind the parked car straight at me..i locked on and gestured as in "hello" as he clearly hadn't looked..and what I can only describe as one half of right said fred half climbed out of his window while driving and screamed f'in this and f'in that and that I was a p... and a etc...Then sped off up the road with foot to the floor

Caliden

Ran into 2 this past week.

One was a woman in her mid 30's in a jeep/suv who left it until the last second to pull out of her housing estate and turn right. I had to brake hard not to hit her and she could have pulled out much much sooner as they was no traffic coming the other way.

As I was basically stopped up in the road I put my hands up as if to say "seriously?!" and she stuck her tongue out at me like a big bold child!!
I couldn't help but laugh but like the OP she wouldn't admit she was in the wrong.


The other was a van driver who pulled out onto my side of the road to take a sharp left turn (it's the road from lucan village towards Castleknock that goes past Fort Lucan park) but what he failed to do was make sure the car in front of him was up the hill.

So here is this lad out on my side of the road with nowhere to go. I have to come to a complete stop (as do the 5 or so cars behind me) hold up my hands because I drive the same road and know for a FACT that you don't need to swing out like that to make it up the hill as the road is wide enough!
He sticks up his middle and and is fuming in his van, again not admitting he was in the wrong.


What is it with these people?
I know if I'm in the wrong, I'll put my hand up to say sorry. In both instances I could've laid on my horn and been an obnoxious dickhead about it but what's the point in doing that? We all make mistakes but the least people could do is apologise and not act like children.

conzy

This would be a good thread.

"Today I made a mistake driving"

Everyone could learn something and it would be a very humbling experience for all :pac:

whomitconcerns

conzy wrote: »

This would be a good thread.

"Today I made a mistake driving"

Everyone could learn something and it would be a very humbling experience for all :pac:

Why would that be a good name...I didnt make a mistake?

BrensBenz

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Sooo evidently you are one of them:D

Yep! I have loads of that special red electricity for my rear foglights and the yellow electricity that, when pumped into my hazard lights, allows me to park anywhere I like. And my trilby hat is earthed too.

whomitconcerns

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I messed up this morning coming to work, tried to join the left turning lane at traffic lights (that light goes green 30 seconds earlier) and ended up stationary in the middle of a cycle lane - I managed to be gone before an approaching cyclist reached me. My mistake.

Anyone who thinks they're a brilliant driver, is not a brilliant driver.

i never said i was a brilliant driver....I make plenty of mistakes I am sure...Im specifically talking about peoples (over)reactions!

intellectual dosser

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why would that be a good name...I didnt make a mistake?

I think they mean a separate thread from this, not this one that you started.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Should run this on TV all the time. Quite poignant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk

timmy4u2

BrensBenz wrote: »

Yep! I have loads of that special red electricity for my rear foglights and the yellow electricity that, when pumped into my hazard lights, allows me to park anywhere I like. And my trilby hat is earthed too.

Its ok, you will be all right in a while:)

whomitconcerns

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Should run this on TV all the time. Quite poignant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk

ouch.....

Mc Love

One thing I see all the time is the people that anticipate traffic on roundabouts and they see you coming so they are left with two options, one: come to a stop at the very last minute or two: speed up and try and get in front of you even though you have right of way. Most of the time its the latter option. And I have had the experience of dealing with one person that stopped on the r/a after I beeped my horn at them to get cross with me!

timmy4u2

Mc Love wrote: »

One thing I see all the time is the people that anticipate traffic on roundabouts and they see you coming so they are left with two options, one: come to a stop at the very last minute or two: speed up and try and get in front of you even though you have right of way. Most of the time its the latter option. And I have had the experience of dealing with one person that stopped on the r/a after I beeped my horn at them to get cross with me!

The one manoeuvre that the majority of Irish drivers know very little about.
Those who don't know anything at all will look away from you and not use any indicators at all.
Those that know a little will look away and use their indicator just as they are exiting;
And the most dangerous are those that think they know more than they do and speed up as they approach the roundabout because you are on their left and they try to get on before you.
I blame the RSA for some of it as their tv piece does not address the full issues, obviously because they do not know.

kikel

whomitconcerns wrote: »

i know...but seriously just do the "sorry my mistake" face....

I've started using this face and it really does work. Ya always get a wave or a smile. Cuts down on people blowing the horn at you. It is the lack of acknowledgement that drives people crazy. i.e staring straight infront as if you dont see people.

CiniO

I must sadly say that there is something with Irish drivers about not being fond of admitting to be wrong on the road.

I had as incident about 5 years ago, when a lady was taking 3rd exit from the roundabout, but she drove the whole roundabout on outside lane. I was on the inside lane (correctly) and taking the same exit, and I must say it was a close call, as I didn't see her till the last moment due to big blindspot on vehicle I was driving.

This was actually exit to the parking, and we parked next to each other (coincidentally) so I mentioned gently that she shouldn't be driving all around roundabout on outside lane.
To which she replied with very angry voice: "I know how to drive. This i my country and I drive here every day, and I don't need some foreigners to tell me how to drive in my town..."
I was quite amazed with the reply so didn't continue conversation.

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

I must sadly say that there is something with Irish drivers about not being fond of admitting to be wrong on the road.

I had as incident about 5 years ago, when a lady was taking 3rd exit from the roundabout, but she drove the whole roundabout on outside lane. I was on the inside lane (correctly) and taking the same exit, and I must say it was a close call, as I didn't see her till the last moment due to big blindspot on vehicle I was driving.

This was actually exit to the parking, and we parked next to each other (coincidentally) so I mentioned gently that she shouldn't be driving all around roundabout on outside lane.
To which she replied with very angry voice: "I know how to drive. This i my country and I drive here every day, and I don't need some foreigners to tell me how to drive in my town..."
I was quite amazed with the reply so didn't continue conversation.

It a "my space thing" as in The Field.
We had to fight so hard for our little bit of land that we will not give it up under any circumstances

Inari

timmy4u2 wrote: »

It a "my space thing" as in The Field.
We had to fight so hard for our little bit of land that we will not give it up under any circumstances

I fought for no part of this land, nor did my parents, or their parents. You should not claim credit for other peoples work, so that poor attitude should be left fall by the way side. I know you're not necessarily advocating it, it was just a point I wanted to make.

All drivers are terrible on the roads, because the only ones you notice are the atrocious ones. A hundred cars driving perfectly normally and acceptable pass you by every time you're on the roads, but you don't notice...you only see what is out of the norm i.e. the ridiculous levels of stupidity.

The two things that annoy me more than anything else are merging onto motorways where people decide that the run up is not to get your speed up, but rather just a leisurely drive where you saunter up to the lane, and then up your speed. Similarly when people don't let you into the lane, and forcibly cut you off...had a Beemer do this to me the other day while the middle lane was free *sigh*

But yes, people need to just accept when it's their fault. I make mistakes all the time...but I acknowledge them. That's mostly because I hate making the mistakes in the first place

Colonel Sanders

There's definitely something "territorial" about Irish drivers.

The types who are pottering along at 70km (in a 100 zone) but as soon as it's obvious you want to over take they:

1. Hug the white line
2. Speed up after you go to over take (of course after you over take they slow down again)
3. People who see you want to merge/change lanes (when there is enough room & it's safe to do so) and do their best to block you by stepping on the accelerator when they see the indicator. Again as soon as you're safely finished your manoeuvre they slow right down

I don't get it, but morons will be morons. If they acted rationally they wouldn't be morons

Renegade Mechanic

If theres one thing in blissful abundance in this country, its ignorant, stubborn, obtuse pricks who would quite literally rather burn an orphanage to the ground than admit being wrong and (god f*cking perish the satanic thought) appearing "smaller" than someone else! They will burn bridges, end friendships, cost businesses hugely and much more, just so they can have the last word. Just so they can be "right":mad:

daithi1970

If all the motorists in this country had to take the driving test at 9am tomorrow I wonder what the failure rate would be...?

timmy4u2

Inari wrote: »

I fought for no part of this land, nor did my parents, or their parents. You should not claim credit for other peoples work, so that poor attitude should be left fall by the way side. I know you're not necessarily advocating it, it was just a point I wanted to make.

All drivers are terrible on the roads, because the only ones you notice are the atrocious ones. A hundred cars driving perfectly normally and acceptable pass you by every time you're on the roads, but you don't notice...you only see what is out of the norm i.e. the ridiculous levels of stupidity.

The two things that annoy me more than anything else are merging onto motorways where people decide that the run up is not to get your speed up, but rather just a leisurely drive where you saunter up to the lane, and then up your speed. Similarly when people don't let you into the lane, and forcibly cut you off...had a Beemer do this to me the other day while the middle lane was free *sigh*

But yes, people need to just accept when it's their fault. I make mistakes all the time...but I acknowledge them. That's mostly because I hate making the mistakes in the first place

Just because you or your forefathers did not bother fighting for anything does not mean that other did not; nor does it mean that my forefathers did not. I just wanted to make that point:rolleyes:
All I can say from that statement is that you have a very vague grasp of Irish history.

I take particular interest in all road users. After all a split second move by any one of them could immediately impinge on my passengers welfare or my own welfare or life if I was not giving due attention to all other road users
Really! I have to say I seldom make mistakes but if and when I do I learn from them. Not great to be always making mistakes

timmy4u2

daithi1970 wrote: »

If all the motorists in this country had to take the driving test at 9am tomorrow I wonder what the failure rate would be...?

They would all get Lucky Bag licences like they did before because the testers could not cope:eek:

Gokei

Nearly as bad as the aggressive drivers are the self righteous, passive aggressive drivers plaguing the streets..

God forbid you make a mistake, they're there.. Eyeballing you waiting to make eye contact so they can shake their head at your lack of advanced driving skills..


Anyway, back to the op. If the lad was stuck in front of you, blocking you from moving, what did you expect him to do to get out of your way? The mistake had already been made. Waving your arms out the window isn't going to clear traffic..

whomitconcerns

No but he could at least acknowledge that he was completely in the wrong and blocking the way... And I didn't wave my arms out the window!

Gokei

whomitconcerns wrote: »

No but he could at least acknowledge that he was completely in the wrong and blocking the way...

In the wrong.. It's not school. What would him acknowledging anthing achieve?

Gokei

whomitconcerns wrote: »

And I didn't wave my arms out the window!

If you're going to gesture at drivers out your window, be prepared to be told to fùck off the odd time.

I once went one better and got out to confront a driver who was tailgating me. He jumped at the opportunity and started screaming in my face, "well what the fûck are you going to do about it?!?"