Politics is Evil

ygolometsipe

Is being a politician about the public good or self interest? I think self interest.
Most debate / inquiries are just wishy-washy for politicians to demonstrate their cleverness by avoiding straight answers / misdirection / sly and subtle fact manipulated counter-arguments.

I think it will never change regardless of which party gets elected, FF, F,G, e.t.c.
Would a lottery election work to lessen the nepotism / shady deals / corruption?

What do you guy think will have to happen before we get politics corruption free? Or is it a pipe dream.

Maybe in the future they might find an honest gene I would love to see a world with out politicians.

For Forks Sake

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Is being a politician about the public good or self interest? I think self interest.
Most debate / inquiries are just wishy-washy for politicians to demonstrate their cleverness by avoiding straight answers / misdirection / sly and subtle fact manipulated counter-arguments.

I think it will never change regardless of which party gets elected, FF, F,G, e.t.c.
Would a lottery election work to lessen the nepotism / shady deals / corruption?

What do you guy think will have to happen before we get politics corruption free? Or is it a pipe dream.

Maybe in the future they might find an honest gene I would love to see a world with out politicians.

Abortions for some. Miniature American flags for others.

Lyaiera

Everything is about self interest. But it's in our best interest to make everyone happy.

Makes you think.

Femme_Fatale

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Is being a politician about the public good or self interest?

A mixture of the two a lot of the time I'd say.
It's ludicrous to state no politician ever has the public good at heart.

jobeenfitz

I think the daily papers would be weekly papers if we had a world without the lovely politicians.

On a totally randomy thingy Fr. Dougal knocked down some woman on his milk float. Really, I swear, so he did.

Napper Hawkins

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

A mixture of the two a lot of the time I'd say.
It's ludicrous to state no politician ever has the public good at heart.

A politician with the public good at heart who doesn't actually speak out or take a stand against the corruption is no better than the rest of the scum.

Phoebas

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Is being a politician about the public good or self interest? I think self interest.
Most debate / inquiries are just wishy-washy for politicians to demonstrate their cleverness by avoiding straight answers / misdirection / sly and subtle fact manipulated counter-arguments.

I think it will never change regardless of which party gets elected, FF, F,G, e.t.c.
Would a lottery election work to lessen the nepotism / shady deals / corruption?

What do you guy think will have to happen before we get politics corruption free? Or is it a pipe dream.

Maybe in the future they might find an honest gene I would love to see a world with out politicians.

You should go into politics yourself. If politicians are as evil as you say, you'd have no problem getting elected on a "Don't be evil" platform.

Sir Arthur Daley

Politics is frightening.

Femme_Fatale

WikiHow wrote: »

Politics is frightening.

Like thunder-bolts and lightning?

Sheldons Brain

Politics is not evil, Irish politicians have a self serving culture though and do not serve the country.

Gringo180

I believe most politicians are narcissists, only out for there own gain.

Sir Arthur Daley

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Like thunder-bolts and lightning?

That is grand stuff, i stands under trees barefoot for that

Dartz

I thought about going into an election as a way to draw attention to youth unemployment with a 'Give me a job' campaign.

Then again, today I rang up the Welfare to suggest they might've overpayed me.

Just not cut out for politics then, I guess. I'm too much of an honest ****, I hate the public, I like nuclear power and am so far out there nobody would vote for me anyway.

Strumms

It doesn't really matter what colour of the tie or what hymn sheet they are singing from... 99% of them are in it for themselves and their self interest over anything else. The incentives out there for politicians in terms of the multiple pensions and benefits and wages is a great incentive to attract people who are out for themselves. It should be a vocation really not a career. Look at the so called 'leaders' that we have been voting in... Not one fit to lead a singalong.

We give it to them too easy really. It's a pity that we managed to for the most part send the Catholic Church and it's greater influence on this state running. We need to do the same to the politicians and demand more of them they don't work in the best interest of the citizens of this country. This is in evidence very day in the Dail not to mention the scandals we have had to endure most recently the banking crises and the recession. It's all about getting and keeping the gig really. But before they do more we need to.

ygolometsipe

Phoebas wrote: »

You should go into politics yourself. If politicians are as evil as you say, you'd have no problem getting elected on a "Don't be evil" platform.

The only way I would be a politician is to serve my time like Jury Duty.
I think I would not enjoy the job but I would see it as duty.

As it stands right now I think its not just politicians but the entire political system. I think its designed to highly promote self-interest rather than moral good.

ygolometsipe

Lyaiera wrote: »

Everything is about self interest. But it's in our best interest to make everyone happy.

Makes you think.

I think that idea is what the mathematician John Nash won the Nobel prize for.
My understanding of it is that it can sometimes be more important to be "group interest" motivated than "self-interest" motivated, when you are a member of the group.

J_E

There has got to be a scale with the bigger a politician, the bigger tendency towards being a sociopath. I'm referring more to the big-time people rather than the Irish politicians. House of Cards sort of thing. Stay away, life is too short for that ridiculousness.

Also, if anyone self-identifies as a 'political commentator/analyst' you can be fairly sure they're a plonker. It's along the same narcissistic lines as a non-important person having a 'views are my own' disclaimer.

Phoebas

ygolometsipe wrote: »

The only way I would be a politician is to serve my time like Jury Duty.
I think I would not enjoy the job but I would see it as duty.

Let me get this straight - you would treat it as a duty, but all of the people who are currently in politics don't. According to you they are self interested, sly, shady, corrupt and genetically dishonest.

What makes you so special?

ygolometsipe

Phoebas wrote: »

Let me get this straight - you would treat it as a duty, but all of the people who are currently in politics don't. According to you they are self interested, sly, shady, corrupt and genetically dishonest.

What makes you so special?

I can find this word in my post all where did you find it?

ygolometsipe

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It's ludicrous to state no politician ever has the public good at heart.

OK in fairness, I think you are right so how about we condition it to prove the above more easily.

Out of all our politicians, how many would remain working, if they could only earn at maximum the average industry wage? with no golden hand shake or massive pension?

So hypothetically then would the honest politicians that entered office solely to do good remain in the job? I think a few would but most wouldn't.

which is my point, its stacked in such a way as to promote self-interest over public good. Basically you might not be getting the best of the good people because the job it too attractive.

donegal__road

'One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics, is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.'

Plato

Annasopra

Lyaiera wrote: »

Everything is about self interest.

Is it really? I'm not convinced of that at all.

Jimoslimos

I believe for the most part that many enter politics with the best intentions. However it quickly becomes an exercise in "playing the game" both with and against party colleagues and the opposition.

Add to this our sense of distrust for any sort of idealism. See how often students are derided for protesting here, they may be misguided at times but at least it is well-meant and should be welcomed as a positive influence in politics.

darkpagandeath

Some maybe going into it for the right reasons but. As soon as the trough is pulled out it's hard to resist. And a lot of it comes down to who the party wants to represent them in a constituency. Better off putting people in that are like minded.

wendell borton

We need someone like Stalin to get **** done, nothing like a good oul purge to sort out the traitors and trouble makers. :cool:

Femme_Fatale

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

A mixture of the two a lot of the time I'd say.
It's ludicrous to state no politician ever has the public good at heart.

Slobodan Milosevic had the public good at heart.

donegal__road

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Davarus Walrus

Jesus, you'd think politicians were bred in a sinister laboratory and all attended the university of evil. Fűcking ridiculous way to look at them. Most of them are decent people who put up with endless amounts of badgering from an electorate who expect everything but want to pay for nothin'.

uch

Politics is Evil, only cause no one votes, if every person eligible to vote did it would be different

humbert

Lyaiera wrote: »

Everything is about self interest. But it's in our best interest to make everyone happy.

Makes you think.

That's really only true for those least able to make themselves happy.