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Have you seen anyone perjure themselves in court?

  • 25-02-2014 11:40pm
    #1
    sopretty
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    Not sure if such a discussion is allowed, but I have witnessed someone lie outwardly.


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  • #2
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Have you ever seen someone not?

    The purpose of a trial, either civil or criminal, is not to find the truth, but to select the most acceptable lie.


  • #3
    sopretty
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    I guess. You'd wonder why a guard would be motivated to lie though.


  • #4
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    sopretty wrote: »
    I guess. You'd wonder why a guard would be motivated to lie though.

    I'm sure he had a vague idea where the truth lay and made an honest stab at it.


  • #5
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    I'm sure he had a vague idea where the truth lay and made an honest stab at it.

    That's not his decision to make. You swear to tell the truth etc. Not to give a version of events which will effect an outcome which I would personally like to see happen.
    Thankfully the judge saw through the bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppppp


  • #6
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    So basically, those of you who have responded here, believe that it is ok to lie, once it is for the greater good in ones own opinion?


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  • #7
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Once saw a Plaintiff in a personal injury action being cross-examined in relation to photographs taken by a private detective.

    She complained to the Judge about this unwelcome covert surveillance.

    The Judge said; "Yes, that's what happens when fraud is suspected."

    Plaintiff got poleaxed. Very funny.


  • #8
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Can we mention the former politicians who allegedly couldn't remember the truth in certain hearings


  • #9
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    sopretty wrote: »
    So basically, those of you who have responded here, believe that it is ok to lie, once it is for the greater good in ones own opinion?

    I think that the way that this works is that somebody has to tell some story saying something vaguely positive about some perjurer first. And then BAM! Execute the masterstroke, denouncing the lawyers as liars and cheats! And then the crowd goes wild...


  • #10
    Bepolite
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    I probably shouldn't admit this but I stretched the truth once in court when I was about 15/16 or so. I'm not sure I perjured myself as being a minor at the time I don't remember being sworn in. I did however, at the encouragement of a police officer, stretch what I saw in relation to an assault. I'm not blaming the police officer (this was in England) he didn't out and out ask me to lie simply, and rather skilfully, steered the conversation.

    The defending barrister went easy on me but made it fairly clear I wasn't being completely honest. Not my proudest moment but at the time I thought I was doing the right thing.

    Why am I recounting this? Well take it for what it's worth, I simply thought I'd share. Interesting topic OP, I hope it's not a feeble attempt to steer the conversation off into guard bashing.

    On that note I've seen Keith Spencer (IIRC) go after a Guard who was trying to make the victim come off a bit better after she'd been fairly well shot down by the defence. "Don't try and fix it now guard" was one particular line I quite enjoyed.


  • #11
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    sopretty wrote: »
    So basically, those of you who have responded here, believe that it is ok to lie, once it is for the greater good in ones own opinion?

    No one said that. You are addressing a point that you wanted to have been made, not that which was actually made.

    This, in turn, undermines the objectivity of your suggestion that the Garda was in fact lying.


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