Vet Homeopath

nichka

Hello, I am looking for vet clinic using Homeopathy around Limerick area thank you

boomerang

Andrea Stuckenberg in Hospital is a wonderful vet and is interested in using homeopathic remedies. She takes a lot of advice on it from Tom Farrington in Cork.

Then there's Erica Borge at Ceithre Cos veterinary clinic in Tulla, Co. Clare. A stone's throw from Limerick and Erica is really great!

There's also a homeopathic vet in Mitchelstown, about 45 mins. from Limerick. Isabel Smith.

Irish Society of Veterinary Homeopaths website

nichka

Thank you so much.

I am pie

If your dog is sick, see a vet.

A_Sober_Paddy

If your insistent on the homeopath root, just give your dog water and you will save a fortune...Or do the smart thing and see an actual vet, placebo effect doesn't work on animals from my understanding of the placebo effect

ancapailldorcha

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

If your insistent on the homeopath root, just give your dog water and you will save a fortune...Or do the smart thing and see an actual vet, placebo effect doesn't work on animals from my understanding of the placebo effect

You are correct sir.

OP, you'd be better off with a real vet.

mathepac

I am pie wrote: »

If your dog is sick, see a vet.

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

If your insistent on the homeopath root, just give your dog water and you will save a fortune...Or do the smart thing and see an actual vet, placebo effect doesn't work on animals from my understanding of the placebo effect

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You are correct sir.

OP, you'd be better off with a real vet.

What business is it of yours if the OP wants their animal to see a vet with expertise in a specific mode of treatment?

The absolute height of ill-manners and ignorance.

hidinginthebush

mathepac wrote: »

What business is it of yours if the OP wants their animal to see a vet with expertise in a specific mode of treatment?

The absolute height of ill-manners and ignorance.

The absolute height of stupidity to go to a homoeopath regarding literally any medical ailment.

A_Sober_Paddy

mathepac wrote: »

What business is it of yours if the OP wants their animal to see a vet with expertise in a specific mode of treatment?

The absolute height of ill-manners and ignorance.

Well if the animal is sick, and in need of treatment and the owner insists on homeopathic "treatment" they could be endangering their animal...Its only water and anyone who believes otherwise should be banned from owning animals or having kids, we need to nip this nonscene in the bud

Genghiz Cohen

mathepac wrote: »

What business is it of yours if the OP wants their animal to see a vet with expertise in a specific mode of treatment?

The absolute height of ill-manners and ignorance.

What business is it of yours if I want to deny my pet proper medical treatment?

mathepac

hidinginthebush wrote: »

The absolute height of stupidity to go to a homoeopath regarding literally any medical ailment.

and you know this how? So far two of you don't seem to know how to turn on very basic spelling and grammar checking for your posts so fundamental technical stuff seems beyond you. In that light how are you qualified to evaluate any veterinary science?

endacl

Poor doggy.

A_Sober_Paddy

mathepac wrote: »

and you know this how? So far two of you don't seem to know how to turn on very basic spelling and grammar checking for your posts so fundamental technical stuff seems beyond you. In that light how are you qualified to evaluate any veterinary science?

Homoeopathy isn't science...FACT!

mathepac

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Homoeopathy isn't science...FACT!

Turning on a spell-checker certainly isn't science but it seems to have eluded you completely either that or you harbour some kind of fantasies you might want to discuss in private.

hidinginthebush

mathepac wrote: »

and you know this how? So far two of you don't seem to know how to turn on very basic spelling and grammar checking for your posts so fundamental technical stuff seems beyond you. In that light how are you qualified to evaluate any veterinary science?

While I don't have any specific qualifications relating to veterinary, I do have a PhD in Chemical and Bioprocess Engineering, and have spent many years working in a field that requires peer review of evidence-based results, not pseudo-science based on "hair of the dog that bites you". With that said, grasping the scope of a practice that simply relies on diluting something many, many times, is definitely within my technical grasp (not that moving a decimal point requires that much brain power).

You also shouldn't complain about people not having a grasp of spelling and grammar when you start a sentence with a lower case letter.

Genghiz Cohen

hidinginthebush wrote: »

With that said, grasping the scope of a practice that simply relies on diluting something many, many times, is definitely within my technical grasp (not that moving a decimal point requires that much brain power).

You also shouldn't complain about people not having a grasp of spelling and grammar when you start a sentence with a lower case letter.

Homeopathy is worse than that.
They have a big long book of symptoms and causes. If you drop in with a pain in your abdomen, regardless of the actual cause, they look up something that causes that kind of pain and dilute that to parts per billion.

Doesn't matter what caused the pain, a stab wound, trapped gas or cancer.

EDIT: Randi layeth the smackdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

ancapailldorcha

mathepac wrote: »

What business is it of yours if the OP wants their animal to see a vet with expertise in a specific mode of treatment?

The absolute height of ill-manners and ignorance.

Posting on a public forum, the nerve.

anniehoo

Infractions handed out for the ridiculous carry on in this thread. Any further uncivil posts from now will be banned from this forum with no further warning.

We don't tolerate grammar nazis in here either.

Do not reply to this post.
Anniehoo

mathepac

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Homeopathy is worse than that.
... If you drop in with a pain in your abdomen, regardless of the actual cause, ...

You attend a veterinary clinic? I'm sure it reduces health-care costs a lot but is it not a trifle, eh rudimentary? I'm assuming you're human of course.

A_Sober_Paddy

anniehoo wrote: »

Infractions handed out for the ridiculous carry on in this thread. Any further uncivil posts from now will be banned from this forum with no further warning.

We don't tolerate grammar nazis in here either.

Do not reply to this post.
Anniehoo

So can we assume infractions we're handed out for that to?

Zubeneschamali

mathepac wrote: »

In that light how are you qualified to evaluate any veterinary science?

They weren't talking about veterinary science, they were talking about homeopathy.

Genghiz Cohen

mathepac wrote: »

You attend a veterinary clinic? I'm sure it reduces health-care costs a lot but is it not a trifle, eh rudimentary? I'm assuming you're human of course.

I am speaking of Homeopathy, if you could address some of the points, rather than engaging in Poisoning the Well, that would be lovely.

A_Sober_Paddy

mathepac wrote: »

You attend a veterinary clinic? I'm sure it reduces health-care costs a lot but is it not a trifle, eh rudimentary? I'm assuming you're human of course.

It doesn't matter if anyone attended Vetenary Clinic or not, Homeopathy is a scam that prays on the weak minded people who don't understand science...Just just water, its only water and nothing else and that is in fact science

anniehoo

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

So can we assume infractions we're handed out for that to?

Both yourself and mathepac have received an infraction for being uncivil. Any further agro from the two of you will see automatic bans.

sillysmiles

Do people actually believe in homeopathy? Why?


Genuine question.

endacl

sillysmiles wrote: »

Do people actually believe in homeopathy? Why?


Genuine question.

Because they want to and you have to respect other people's beliefs blah, blah, blah...

:rolleyes:

Zillah

If someone gives their animal homeopathic remedies for an illness they should be regarded the same as someone who had a sick animal and did nothing. Homeopathy doesn't work. It is nonsense. It's no better than a placebo for people, and does nothing at all for animals. Homeopaths are not special, alternative doctors/vets, they're charlatans. Fakes. Or just deluded. Eitherway, it doesn't do anything at all.

It's our business because animal neglect is cruel and illegal. If an animal under your care needs medical attention then it should get medical attention, not pseudo-scientific quackery.

jimf

as we the owners have a choice who we go to with our health issues let it be on our own shoulders if things go wrong

but as an animal owner/lover I will stick with the vet for my animal care after all they cant speak for themselves we are their voice

boomerang

We've been here before. What I said last time:


My vet uses homeopathy on beef and dairy cattle alongside conventional treatment, and at no extra cost to the farmer. I doubt there is a placebo effect in cattle; the treatment is usually once-off and short-term (max. 3 days) so not long enough for the animal to connect any sense of improved well-being (be it coincidental or not) with the treatment given.

I take grave offence at the expertise and knowledge of my vet (or any vet) being questioned because she is a homeopath. Clearly none of the posters that hold this view have ever actually been to a homeopathic vet with their pet.

Look at it this way:

The people on thread who have used homeopathic vets did so when conventional medicine had failed to improve the pet's condition.

Any of the vets mentioned on thread have the same expertise as any qualified vet, and have chosen to explore homeopathy in addition to their continuing professional education.

Paying a homeopathic vet is no different than paying a vet who doesn't practise homeopathy. In essence, seeing a homeopathic vet when other treatments have failed is essentially a referral. The homeopathic vet will fully review the case history and treatments given to date that have proven ineffective.
The pet's progress will be monitored by the homeopathic vet and any deterioration in their condition will be treated.

So again I ask: What is the harm to these pets? These are caring, competent owners who have exhausted other treatment avenues. The homeopathic vet is a professional, bound by the Veterinary Council of Ireland. Tom Farrington for example is widely-held in high regard by other Irish vets, regardless of their own views on homeopathy.

The Pheasant2

Don't have the slightest belief in homeopathy myself but if people think it works for them fair enough, I'll keep me mouth shut.

This courtesy however does not extend when the health of an animal in your charge is in question. You don't get to project your alternative views on an animal that has no say in the matter and may suffer for it.

Take your pet to a veterinarian please.

boomerang

As above, animal homeopathy as described by the OP is practiced by licensed veterinarians using it as an adjunct to conventional treatment. They are bound by the oath taken at registration to uphold the animal's welfare as paramount and to do no harm.

endacl

boomerang wrote: »

As above, animal homeopathy as described by the OP is practiced by licensed veterinarians using it as an adjunct to conventional treatment. They are bound by the oath taken at registration to uphold the animal's welfare as paramount and to do no harm.

Couldn't find one for Ireland. I'd presume though, if one exists, it might read similar to that of the American Veterinary Medical Association:


"Being admitted to the profession of veterinary medicine, I solemnly swear to use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health and welfare, the prevention and relief of animal suffering, the conservation of animal resources, the promotion of public health, and the advancement of medical knowledge.

I will practice my profession conscientiously, with dignity, and in keeping with the principles of veterinary medical ethics. I accept as a lifelong obligation the continual improvement of my professional knowledge and competence."

The part I've bolded is pertinent of course to the practice of quackery in the field. The 'use' of homeopathy is incongruous with this, unless of course the animal is being treated for mild dehydration.

As an aside, 'to do no harm'. How could a vet be required to take such an oath in the knowledge that a routine and lamentable part of their job is to euthanize often-healthy animals?

Did you just kinda make up the vet's oath bit? They're kinda like doctors, but they're not doctors. With all due and deserved respect to the profession, different rules apply.

Zubeneschamali

boomerang wrote: »

So again I ask: What is the harm to these pets?

My vet just whips out her wand, waves it, and and says "Curio Animalis!"

What harm can it do?

tk123

Not one of you has asked the OP why they want to try homoeopathy but instead accuse them of cutely and neglect?!

Zubeneschamali

tk123 wrote: »

Not one of you has asked the OP why they want to try homoeopathy but instead accuse them of cutely and neglect

It doesn't matter why. If the OP wanted to use prayer, Harry Potter Magic, Wiccan rituals, meditation or healing crystals, we'd say the same thing: go to a real vet.

As noted in the thread, there are vets who will do homeopathy alongside real veterinary medicine - this does no harm (since homeopathic meds are just water), and it may make the OP feel better about the bill.

Personally, since it cannot possibly help the animal, I think the OP should actively avoid vets who advertise it, since they either believe in it (and are therefore crackpots), or they are dosing with water and pretending to believe in it, and are misleading people.

The real thing to avoid, though, is someone who does homeopathy instead of real treatment, as opposed to just alongside it, since that is the same as not treating the sick animal at all.

Zillah

boomerang wrote: »

We've been here before. What I said last time:


My vet uses homeopathy on beef and dairy cattle alongside conventional treatment, and at no extra cost to the farmer. I doubt there is a placebo effect in cattle; the treatment is usually once-off and short-term (max. 3 days) so not long enough for the animal to connect any sense of improved well-being (be it coincidental or not) with the treatment given.

I take grave offence at the expertise and knowledge of my vet (or any vet) being questioned because she is a homeopath. Clearly none of the posters that hold this view have ever actually been to a homeopathic vet with their pet.

Look at it this way:

The people on thread who have used homeopathic vets did so when conventional medicine had failed to improve the pet's condition.

Any of the vets mentioned on thread have the same expertise as any qualified vet, and have chosen to explore homeopathy in addition to their continuing professional education.

Paying a homeopathic vet is no different than paying a vet who doesn't practise homeopathy. In essence, seeing a homeopathic vet when other treatments have failed is essentially a referral. The homeopathic vet will fully review the case history and treatments given to date that have proven ineffective.
The pet's progress will be monitored by the homeopathic vet and any deterioration in their condition will be treated.

So again I ask: What is the harm to these pets? These are caring, competent owners who have exhausted other treatment avenues. The homeopathic vet is a professional, bound by the Veterinary Council of Ireland. Tom Farrington for example is widely-held in high regard by other Irish vets, regardless of their own views on homeopathy.

A) You haven't the slightest notion if they've exhausted other options or not. They might say "Oooh, poor Poodles has a horrible skin infection! My homeopath/reiki druid priestess helped mine out last year, I'll find one for dear Poodles."

If a vet has so poor an understanding of science and medicine that they think water can do anything except satisfy thirst then how on Earth can you trust them to know that medicine A is better than medicine B, or procedure C is safer than procedure D? How can I trust their competency if they basically believe in magic?

It's nonsense and no one should be using it. It doesn't do anything!

tk123 wrote: »

Not one of you has asked the OP why they want to try homoeopathy but instead accuse them of cutely and neglect?!

We've suggested they take their animal to see a real vet. It doesn't matter why they want to see a homeopath, they shouldn't.

tk123

Zillah wrote: »

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We've suggested they take their animal to see a real vet. It doesn't matter why they want to see a homeopath, they shouldn't.

It's none of your business though? Also you're in API not skeptics corner and are shoving your opinions in everyone's face.
I for one would be interested to know why the OP is thinking of trying it and what benefits they're hoping to see - that's if you lot haven't scared them off? :mad:

Genghiz Cohen

tk123 wrote: »

It's none of your business though? Also you're in API not skeptics corner and are shoving your opinions in everyone's face.
I for one would be interested to know why the OP is thinking of trying it and what benefits they're hoping to see - that's if you lot haven't scared them off? :mad:

Animal neglect is everyones business.

Zillah

tk123 wrote: »

It's none of your business though? Also you're in API not skeptics corner and are shoving your opinions in everyone's face.
I for one would be interested to know why the OP is thinking of trying it and what benefits they're hoping to see - that's if you lot haven't scared them off? :mad:

Animal welfare is everyone's business. No one should be using magic water to treat illness. Homeopathy should join all the other nonsensical fakery in the history books, not taken seriously.

Do you think homeopathy is real?

Zubeneschamali

tk123 wrote: »

Also you're in API not skeptics corner and are shoving your opinions in everyone's face.

It's not an opinion, look it up. Homeopathy "works" like this:

Patient has a temperature. "Allopathic" doctors say we treat this with meds which lower temperature. Homeopaths say no, the fever is the body's reaction to illness, it is fighting illness with fever, so we should help by giving the patient something to drive their temperature up.

Unfortunately, this tends to kill the patient. No problem, say the homeopaths, we'll dilute the meds with special water. Hmm, still hurting, not helping. OK, we'll dilute the meds so far that not one single solitary molecule of the harmful meds remain - now it can't hurt!

How can it help? Magic!

anniehoo

As many of you seem completely incapable of conducting a reasoned discussion about Homeopathy without resorting to accusing the OP of cruelty and neglect, the thread is closed until I hear from the OP otherwise.