buying a charolais bull

blonde10

hello all,we have been running a blonde bull with our blonde cross and limousine cross cows and theres not a whole lot wrong with the calves just they seem to be a bit on the leggy side and also they have a fine bone,im just wondering with regards to the Charolais breed whats the the best type of terminal sire or best all rounder,im not too well up on the charolais breeding,so what are ye using and what are the results,cheers..

Miname

I know where there is a super charlaois bull but hes massive money, if i had the no.s i would have bought him. Im not sure who hes by but exceptionally long for a charlaois.

Livestockmad

blonde10 wrote: »

hello all,we have been running a blonde bull with our blonde cross and limousine cross cows and theres not a whole lot wrong with the calves just they seem to be a bit on the leggy side and also they have a fine bone,im just wondering with regards to the Charolais breed whats the the best type of terminal sire or best all rounder,im not too well up on the charolais breeding,so what are ye using and what are the results,cheers..

I dont no if u are interested in using ai.. if u are lsp from dovea will be hard bet.. do u find the blondes are good cows?

TITANIUM.

Angelus is leaving great stuff after him. Hard calving tho. Pirate is popular for a good easy calving ch. Lads seem to be mad for Mozart bulls at the minute. Repair is one of the best all rounder ch bulls on the go hes also very easy calving. Mandela veron brings very good stuff aswell he's one of the rare charolais's that brings the double muscle.
It all depends what your after?

blonde10

Livestockmad wrote: »

I dont no if u are interested in using ai.. if u are lsp from dovea will be hard bet.. do u find the blondes are good cows?

Ya to be honest no problems with the blondes great mothers and plenty of milk as they were bought in as springers of a dairy herd few years ago,but im lookin to change to charolais bull so just wondering whats good to gat in a charolais

blonde10

Livestockmad wrote: »

I dont no if u are interested in using ai.. if u are lsp from dovea will be hard bet.. do u find the blondes are good cows?

Ya to be honest no problems with the blondes great mothers and plenty of milk as they were bought in as springers of a dairy herd few years ago,but im lookin to change to charolais bull so just wondering whats good to gat in a charolais

blonde10

Livestockmad wrote: »

I dont no if u are interested in using ai.. if u are lsp from dovea will be hard bet.. do u find the blondes are good cows?

Ya to be honest no problems with the blondes great mothers and plenty of milk as they were bought in as springers of a dairy herd few years ago,but im lookin to change to charolais bull so just wondering whats good to gat in a charolais

blonde10

Livestockmad wrote: »

I dont no if u are interested in using ai.. if u are lsp from dovea will be hard bet.. do u find the blondes are good cows?

Ya to be honest no problems with the blondes great mothers and plenty of milk as they were bought in as springers of a dairy herd few years ago,but im lookin to change to charolais bull so just wondering whats good to gat in a charolais

Livestockmad

blonde10 wrote: »

Ya to be honest no problems with the blondes great mothers and plenty of milk as they were bought in as springers of a dairy herd few years ago,but im lookin to change to charolais bull so just wondering whats good to gat in a charolais

We have a bull here out of mozart and his mother was out of pirate.. I only had to pull one calf out of him in the last three years which is a massive plus I suppose, but calves dont seem growthy!! Out of blondes should solve that problem with any charolais.. I have found lsp calves have really out grown the stock bull calves

blonde10

Livestockmad wrote: »

We have a bull here out of mozart and his mother was out of pirate.. I only had to pull one calf out of him in the last three years which is a massive plus I suppose, but calves dont seem growthy!! Out of blondes should solve that problem with any charolais.. I have found lsp calves have really out grown the stock bull calves

Cheers, whats the story with the cf52/cf61 ect are they worth the c-sections

Livestockmad

blonde10 wrote: »

Cheers, whats the story with the cf52/cf61 ect are they worth the c-sections

I personally think once u have a c-section u are fighting an up hill battle.. chance of a dead calf with all the costs!! Cow might not go back in calf. Then an easy calved limousine or blonde or charolais or any easy calved comes out trumps

Genghis Cant

blonde10 wrote: »

Cheers, whats the story with the cf52/cf61 ect are they worth the c-sections

Not that many CF52 bulls about now, he's gone a while, but that's beside the point. IMO there is no bull worth a section, on a commercial cow.
If you've lacking in experience with CH, I'd suggest you prioritize calving ease in your search for a new bull.
The CH x Ba are a super cross, so if I was you that's the road I'd be goin down.
We killed our Ch bull last year, and are sorry now seeing the quality of his calves, and how easy calved he was. We have a half brother to replace him, a better looking bull, but only time will tell how he breeds.

tanko

A neighbour of mine has a bull off Pinay (PNY). He's a big, long bull but is easy calved when crossed with salerx, limx and chx cows. Pinay has a very good figure for milk too.
Hard calved bulls are no addition.

blonde10

tanko wrote: »

A neighbour of mine has a bull off Pinay (PNY). He's a big, long bull but is easy calved when crossed with salerx, limx and chx cows. Pinay has a very good figure for milk too.
Hard calved bulls are no addition.

Are charolais bulls more expensive than say blondes or limousines as a rule or is it all down to breeding,wouldnt mind pushing the boat out a bit,i.e give the week in the sun a miss this year....she might actually like a nice white curly haired charolais bull instead........

blonde10

tanko wrote: »

A neighbour of mine has a bull off Pinay (PNY). He's a big, long bull but is easy calved when crossed with salerx, limx and chx cows. Pinay has a very good figure for milk too.
Hard calved bulls are no addition.

Are charolais bulls more expensive than say blondes or limousines as a rule or is it all down to breeding,wouldnt mind pushing the boat out a bit,i.e give the week in the sun a miss this year....she might actually like a nice white curly haired charolais bull instead........

blonde10

tanko wrote: »

A neighbour of mine has a bull off Pinay (PNY). He's a big, long bull but is easy calved when crossed with salerx, limx and chx cows. Pinay has a very good figure for milk too.
Hard calved bulls are no addition.

Are charolais bulls more expensive than say blondes or limousines as a rule or is it all down to breeding,wouldnt mind pushing the boat out a bit,i.e give the week in the sun a miss this year....she might actually like a nice white curly haired charolais bull instead........

tanko

blonde10 wrote: »

Are charolais bulls more expensive than say blondes or limousines as a rule or is it all down to breeding,wouldnt mind pushing the boat out a bit,i.e give the week in the sun a miss this year....she might actually like a nice white curly haired charolais bull instead........

Good luck with that idea:rolleyes:. Well the bull I'm talking about cost €2,900. I know another lad who paid €3,500 for a blakestown bull which is breeding serious calves that I've seen making €1050 - €1150 for 350kg bull calves.

on the river

tanko wrote: »

Good luck with that idea:rolleyes:. Well the bull I'm talking about cost €2,900. I know another lad who paid €3,500 for a blakestown bull which is breeding serious calves that I've seen making €1050 - €1150 for 350kg bull calves.

look at the cost of this animal . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUVSgBvMIrc

yessam

Does anyone else think that Pirate bulls are low on the from almost like they have short front legs.

I have seen a few that looked like that.

on the river

yessam wrote: »

Does anyone else think that Pirate bulls are low on the from almost like they have short front legs.

I have seen a few that looked like that.

ya they tend to be short leged in front which may affect ability to perform.

I have a few lgl yearlings and they also tend to be butty but wide.