School tickets

LostInDharma

Ok, so I see child luas tickets (under15) and adult tickets (over18)

Where is the tickets for 15 to 18 , or does that age bracket walk ?

Peppa Pig

I see child fare for 3-15 and adult 16 and over.

http://www.luas.ie/faqs.html#faq21

LostInDharma

Peppa Pig wrote: »

I see child fare for 3-15 and adult 16 and over.

http://www.luas.ie/faqs.html#faq21

So a school child over 15 4th 5th and 6th year school child is considered the same as a working adult ? Am I missing something ?

Seems wrong.

LXFlyer

LostInDharma wrote: »

So a school child over 15 4th 5th and 6th year school child is considered the same as a working adult ? Am I missing something ?

Seems wrong.

No, I'm afraid that is the policy.


Dublin Bus does have another option however, if that is any use.


http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/Child-and-Scholar-Tickets-/

10 Journey Travel 90 Scholar Ticket (16-18yrs) €12.00

1. Valid for 10 journeys of 90 minutes unlimited travel
2. Valid on Dublin Bus scheduled services (excluding Xpresso, Airlink, Nitelink, Tours, Special Events, Private Contract services)
3. Valid to and from secondary school up to 17:00hrs (Monday - Friday) & up to 13:30hrs on Saturday
4. Tickets are for individual use only and may not be used by a group
5. Scholar ID required and holders must be attending full time primary or secondary education in Ireland

LostInDharma

lxflyer wrote: »

No, I'm afraid that is the policy.


Dublin Bus does have another option however, if that is any use.


http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/Child-and-Scholar-Tickets-/



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Yeah thats what I was looking for on the LUAS, ......... ok, so Im not blind

Thanks.

very unfair by LUAS, how are school children currently using this service ?

Alun

Luas has student 7-day and 30-day tickets ...

http://www.luas.ie/student-tickets.html

LostInDharma

Alun wrote: »

Luas has student 7-day and 30-day tickets ...

http://www.luas.ie/student-tickets.html

That's for a student, 3rd level I assume.

My kids are still in secondary school. But I was speaking with LUAS help desk and they said above 15 is considered ADULT ..... what a joke, complete BS.

So in the same school year my son has gone from a card for 9.80 to 30.00 .... for the same journey, same school. In what world is that right. How are people affording this increase for school kids ??

Are people really paying 30.00 / week for their kids ?

Alun

LostInDharma wrote: »

That's for a student, 3rd level I assume.

On the link I gave (scroll down to the bottom) it says you need a Student Travel Card to avail of these fares, and that these are available to anyone in an eligible full-time second or third level course in a secondary school or college. I assume this applies to your case, but I may be wrong.

LostInDharma

Alun wrote: »

On the link I gave (scroll down to the bottom) it says you need a Student Travel Card to avail of these fares, and that these are available to anyone in an eligible full-time second or third level course in a secondary school or college. I assume this applies to your case, but I may be wrong.

yes, but my point is the cost of a student ticket is 30 euro while a schoolchild is 9.80. My son is still in school, 4th year, not college. But he is required to now pay 30 euro because he is 16.

Getting the ID doesnt matter , its the increase of 20 euro for the same journey Im complaining about.

Student rate is 6 euro cheaper than full working adult rate, so in my case a school child gets a discount of 6 euro...... ??? At 16 you cant even work a full tax week.

LXFlyer

Unfortunately that has been the case for public transport in Ireland for at least 50 years, it is nothing new.

Dublin Bus only introduced the scholar option within the last 15 years or so.

LostInDharma

lxflyer wrote: »

Unfortunately that has been the case for public transport in Ireland for at least 50 years, it is nothing new.

Dublin Bus only introduced the scholar option within the last 15 years or so.

It might have been ok 50 years ago when 16 year old kids worked, but today they stay in school until 6th year.

LoonyLovegood

It's a bigger expense at the start, but 30 day tickets are worth the money. They work out cheaper than the five day tickets. There's a range of fares depending on how far your son would be going, but if he was to buy the five zone ticket (€66 for 30 days), that works out at only €2.20 per day. Of course, he'd need the student travelcard, but they're worth their weight in gold. Cheap public transport, plus travelcard only discounts in Boots, McDonalds and other places.

Mrs OBumble

LostInDharma wrote: »

At 16 you cant even work a full tax week.

But you do have the same body mass as an adult, so cost the same amount to transport.

Smaller kids weigh less and take up less space, so you can get more of them in per square foot. Hence cheaper fares.

LostInDharma

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But you do have the same body mass as an adult, so cost the same amount to transport.

Smaller kids weigh less and take up less space, so you can get more of them in per square foot. Hence cheaper fares.

Thats a daft answer, in fact ...........you know what no, I remember now "Dont feed the trolls" ... nice try

Mrs OBumble

I ain't trolling.

Why do you think airlines start charging adult fares at 12?

LostInDharma

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I ain't trolling.

Why do you think airlines start charging adult fares at 12?

Yes but Dublin bus and LUAS are state owned or at least operated on its behalf of Veolia Transport Ireland. As such, its not a privite company. We pay for this service with TAX.

Now, I'm not saying it should be free but school kids should not be forced to pay similar prices to working adults, IMO. It puts a lot of stress on families to simply send their kids to school.

On Dublin bus they do make allowance for school kids between 16 - 18 and increase the cost by only a few euro. LUAS however treats a school kid as a 3rd level student, I was surprised.

By your logic, it should go by weight/height and my kids should have been paying full fair from 13 as they are both 6 foot at 13 --- stupid comment.

I could only guess either your a troll or have no kids that need public transport.

AlekSmart

LostInDharma wrote: »

Yes but Dublin bus and LUAS are state owned or at least operated on its behalf of Veolia Transport Ireland. As such, its not a privite company. We pay for this service with TAX.

Now, I'm not saying it should be free but school kids should not be forced to pay similar prices to working adults, IMO. It puts a lot of stress on families to simply send their kids to school.

On Dublin bus they do make allowance for school kids between 16 - 18 and increase the cost by only a few euro. LUAS however treats a school kid as a 3rd level student, I was surprised.

By your logic, it should go by weight/height and my kids should have been paying full fair from 13 as they are both 6 foot at 13 --- stupid comment.

I could only guess either your a troll or have no kids that need public transport.

That can be arranged with a little openmindedness.....

http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/transport/trpt_lrt_fares.aspx

Free travel

Children up to 0.9m in height and accompanied by fare-paying passenger may travel free.

Concessionary travel with student identification pass

Children above 0.9m in height enjoy concession with a Child fare card or School Smartcard.


The VS class Volvo schoolbuses which Bus Eireann accquired from SBS some years back had a nifty little measuring bar at the door for those "borderline" chaps....:rolleyes:

LostInDharma

AlekSmart wrote: »

That can be arranged with a little openmindedness.....

http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/transport/trpt_lrt_fares.aspx

Free travel

Children up to 0.9m in height and accompanied by fare-paying passenger may travel free.

Concessionary travel with student identification pass

Children above 0.9m in height enjoy concession with a Child fare card or School Smartcard.


The VS class Volvo schoolbuses which Bus Eireann accquired from SBS some years back had a nifty little measuring bar at the door for those "borderline" chaps....:rolleyes:

You are a sap. What does this post add to the thread ?

0.9m= 2 feet.

What the hell thread do you think you are on ?

And your link ????? Really !!!!!

I can only guess your a dope.

No Pants

LostInDharma wrote: »

You are a sap. What does this post add to the thread ?

0.9m= 2 feet.

What the hell thread do you think you are on ?

And your link ????? Really !!!!!

I can only guess your a dope.

Nice. I'm sure that'll bring the discussion along.

Seaswimmer

LostInDharma wrote: »

You are a sap. What does this post add to the thread ?

0.9m= 2 feet.

What the hell thread do you think you are on ?

And your link ????? Really !!!!!

I can only guess your a dope.

Well I think we can look back at AlekSmarts post history and yours and make up our own minds..

the groutch

LostInDharma wrote: »

You are a sap. What does this post add to the thread ?

0.9m= 2 feet.

What the hell thread do you think you are on ?

And your link ????? Really !!!!!

I can only guess your a dope.

0.9m = 3 feet (well 2.95 to be exact)

and it's YOU'RE, not your.

so maybe you should stop and read what you've typed before calling someone else a dope.

Mrs OBumble

LostInDharma wrote: »

Now, I'm not saying it should be free but school kids should not be forced to pay similar prices to working adults,

...

On Dublin bus they do make allowance for school kids between 16 - 18 and increase the cost by only a few euro. LUAS however treats a school kid as a 3rd level student, I was surprised.

So should unemployed adults have to pay as much as working adults? Should they pay more or less than children? What about people who go on to third-level when they are under 18, should they be getting "child" fares too? Etc.

Personally, if I was raising young-adults ('cos let's face it, a 16 year old is not a child anymore), then I would be budgetting accordingly. And I would be expecting them to start some part-time work so they start making (admittedly small) contributions to their living costs.


You asked a question. I gave you a simple answer. If you don't like the answer, and it relates to a publically funded service, then talk to your TD.

cdebru

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So should unemployed adults have to pay as much as working adults? Should they pay more or less than children? What about people who go on to third-level when they are under 18, should they be getting "child" fares too? Etc.

Personally, if I was raising young-adults ('cos let's face it, a 16 year old is not a child anymore), then I would be budgetting accordingly. And I would be expecting them to start some part-time work so they start making (admittedly small) contributions to their living costs.


You asked a question. I gave you a simple answer. If you don't like the answer, and it relates to a publically funded service, then talk to your TD.

In fairness apart from the hissy fit the OP has a point, a 16 year old is not an adult, hence they can not vote, consent to sex relations, drink alcohol etc there is already a system to issue leap cards to 11 to 15 year olds it is hardly unreasonable to extend that to 16 to 18 year olds in full time secondary education.
How can they be adults for public transport but nothing else? Also it is government policy that young people should stay on in education beyond junior cert it is hardly Helping in that policy that parents are then saddled with an much higher transport expense by following that policy.

No Pants

cdebru wrote: »

Also it is government policy that young people should stay on in education beyond junior cert it is hardly Helping in that policy that parents are then saddled with an much higher transport expense by following that policy.

All part of "free education" - Irish style.

AlekSmart

cdebru wrote: »

In fairness apart from the hissy fit the OP has a point, a 16 year old is not an adult, hence they can not vote, consent to sex relations, drink alcohol etc there is already a system to issue leap cards to 11 to 15 year olds it is hardly unreasonable to extend that to 16 to 18 year olds in full time secondary education.
How can they be adults for public transport but nothing else? Also it is government policy that young people should stay on in education beyond junior cert it is hardly Helping in that policy that parents are then saddled with an much higher transport expense by following that policy.

It's not fully accurate to suggest that 16-18 year old Students are cast adrift by an uncaring Public Transport system.

The Student Travelcard is freely available for €12 Per Anum,and it affords substantial discounts for ALL Public Transport use,not alone that connected with actual attendance at Classes.

We can debate what form of Student Support the Country can ACTUALLY afford,but the STC represents what IS available right now.

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/index.aspx

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR A STUDENT TRAVELCARD?
All full time second and third level students are entitled to apply for a Student Travelcard. This includes trainee Chartered Accountants, trainee Solicitors registered with the Law Society, full time FAS Students and full time PLC students.

Also eligible are those currently studying for at least 6 months duration with a minimum 20 hours class time per week. Full time foreign students who meet the above criteria are also entitled to apply for a Student Travelcard whilst in Ireland.

STC themselves also do a comparison exercise here....

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/studentroom/newsdetails/13-12-13/Adult_V_Student_Leapcard.aspx?id=591bd4a2-6f2c-4328-98cf-188b1ddd99b7

I have no connection whatever with STC,but I really cannot subscribe to a notion that Students are not being catered for by our systems.

From my own experience,I notice a great many 16+ Students CHOOSING to continue to pay Adult Cash Fares when a substantially cheaper method IS available,albeit requiring a bit of planning and effort ?

ArmaniJeanss

Do drivers/inspectors/revenue protection agents etc enforce the higher fares for ages 16 &17 or does it get subtly ignored? I've always had an inkling that they set 16+ as the official cutoff point so that people would pay full fare when they turned 18. If they set it to 18 officially then people would be chancing it until they were 20!

My niece (16) is very hardcore on this, her attitude is if she can't vote/buy alcohol/see a film in the cinema then there is no way she is going to pay an adult bus fare.

cdebru

AlekSmart wrote: »

It's not fully accurate to suggest that 16-18 year old Students are cast adrift by an uncaring Public Transport system.

The Student Travelcard is freely available for €12 Per Anum,and it affords substantial discounts for ALL Public Transport use,not alone that connected with actual attendance at Classes.

We can debate what form of Student Support the Country can ACTUALLY afford,but the STC represents what IS available right now.

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/index.aspx



STC themselves also do a comparison exercise here....

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/studentroom/newsdetails/13-12-13/Adult_V_Student_Leapcard.aspx?id=591bd4a2-6f2c-4328-98cf-188b1ddd99b7

I have no connection whatever with STC,but I really cannot subscribe to a notion that Students are not being catered for by our systems.

From my own experience,I notice a great many 16+ Students CHOOSING to continue to pay Adult Cash Fares when a substantially cheaper method IS available,albeit requiring a bit of planning and effort ?

Not disputing that there is a student option, but there is a massive cost difference between €8.20 a week and €20 euro a week for what are effectively still children, without the rights and responsibilities of Adults including limits on hours they can work, type of work and work preceding schooldays.
At least Dublin bus makes some effort to recognize that with the scholar ticket, and something should be done with leapcards that is at the very least somewhere between €8.20 and €20 especially given the fact that government is supposed to be encouraging these young people to stay in education.

cdebru

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Do drivers/inspectors/revenue protection agents etc enforce the higher fares for ages 16 &17 or does it get subtly ignored? I've always had an inkling that they set 16+ as the official cutoff point so that people would pay full fare when they turned 18. If they set it to 18 officially then people would be chancing it until they were 20!

My niece (16) is very hardcore on this, her attitude is if she can't vote/buy alcohol/see a film in the cinema then there is no way she is going to pay an adult bus fare.

When traveling to and from school in my experience a blind eye is turned in general.

LostInDharma

AlekSmart wrote: »

That can be arranged with a little openmindedness.....

http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/transport/trpt_lrt_fares.aspx

Free travel

Children up to 0.9m in height and accompanied by fare-paying passenger may travel free.

Concessionary travel with student identification pass

Children above 0.9m in height enjoy concession with a Child fare card or School Smartcard.




The VS class Volvo schoolbuses which Bus Eireann accquired from SBS some years back had a nifty little measuring bar at the door for those "borderline" chaps....:rolleyes:

I just didn't get the reference here but I do apologise for my reply.

steveblack

I am a bus driver and have noticed that there is a major fault with Leap card that allows free travel.

I wont go into details of how it works for obvious reasons, it appears that money has been taken from Leap card but in fact none has.

The facts are the tickets machines are well out of date and not capable of doing what they are been asked to do, i believe the use of these wayfarer machines was discontinued in other countrys ,yet we struggle on with them, neither drivers or passengers happy with the results.

Tickityboo

steveblack wrote: »

I am a bus driver and have noticed that there is a major fault with Leap card that allows free travel.

I wont go into details of how it works for obvious reasons, it appears that money has been taken from Leap card but in fact none has.

The facts are the tickets machines are well out of date and not capable of doing what they are been asked to do, i believe the use of these wayfarer machines was discontinued in other countrys ,yet we struggle on with them, neither drivers or passengers happy with the results.

That is people reaching their cap limit so they travel for free.

steveblack

Tickityboo wrote: »

That is people reaching their cap limit so they travel for free.

Unfortunately not.

Leap Card with money on it, no money deducted from the card
.

LXFlyer

LEAP Cards with rambler tickets on them will not have any money deducted either when using the righthand validator.

Have you reported your concern?

Tickityboo

steveblack wrote: »

Unfortunately not.

Leap Card with money on it, no money deducted from the card
.

The card can have any amount of money left on it.
once the daily or weekly cap has been reached no more money will be deducted and the owner travels free.
But if further fares are requested for companions then the appropriate money will be deducted

steveblack

Not fare cap.
Have seen it happen first thing in the morning.

cdebru

steveblack wrote: »

Not fare cap.
Have seen it happen first thing in the morning.

There is a weekly fare cap as well, runs Monday to Sunday.