Little boiler help

burke027

Ok so guys hear goes I have a baxi boiler 35/80 which was showing a fault of pump or low pressure. So I took a flyer and fitted the new pump and repressiresed the system and I'm getting the same fault so I'm asking do I need to do anything else after fitting the pump as in bleed it or anything
Any help would be great

Robbie.G

Are you sure the pump was gone.The problem could be the diafram,the water pressure switch or the hydrolic setup is blocked.
They are the problems that cause that.
Your Rgi should have know those before he changed the pump

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Ok so guys hear goes I have a baxi boiler 35/80 which was showing a fault of pump or low pressure. So I took a flyer and fitted the new pump and repressiresed the system and I'm getting the same fault so I'm asking do I need to do anything else after fitting the pump as in bleed it or anything
Any help would be great

Very rare that it's actually the pump , as Robbie said there are a few other factors that cause that fault . Did your rgi confirm the pump was the issue ? Did he check all the other possibilities first ?

burke027

Egass13 wrote: »

Very rare that it's actually the pump , as Robbie said there are a few other factors that cause that fault . Did your rgi confirm the pump was the issue ? Did he check all the other possibilities first ?

Guys your using the exact same as I use in the motor trade I'm a mechanic and I'd say that but I also done two apprenticeships the first was a plumber ok
So I'm looking for advice I changed the pump as I had the second boiler there which I know is working so I'm asking for help on the other possibilitys please bear in mind this is in my house down the country where I don't have access to a rgi and I've the kids the house is freezing so any help ??

Robbie.G

If you post your location there are plenty of lads here that could help you.
I personally can't tell a unreg person how to fix a boiler as I would be helping you break the law.

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Guys your using the exact same as I use in the motor trade I'm a mechanic and I'd say that but I also done two apprenticeships the first was a plumber ok
So I'm looking for advice I changed the pump as I had the second boiler there which I know is working so I'm asking for help on the other possibilitys please bear in mind this is in my house down the country where I don't have access to a rgi and I've the kids the house is freezing so any

Amazes me how people can say "it's my house, so it's ok" . Personally if I wasn't qualified or competent in a particular area , the last place I'd dip my toe in the water is my own house where I would be putting my own family at risk. But each to there own.

burke027

Not to worry guys I figured it out fairly simple setup really

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Not to worry guys I figured it out fairly simple setup really

Fair play , just to reiterate though . The lack of information given to last night has nothing to do with you or your level of competence , I'm sure your well skilled and good at what you do but giving out info on a public forum when is not advised as everybody will start thinking they can have a go , not realising the potential risks involved. Not to mention it is illegal to work On gas without relevant qualifications , regardless if your a qualified plumber or not . Glad you got it sorted in the end, but know your limits and don't take chances on something that could cost people their lives . Best of luck .

burke027

Not to worry as I said I did a pluming apprenticeship and am also a mechanic fully qualified turned out to be the board was a easy swap over considering I had the second boiler on the ground beside me.

And your correct never step out of your comfort zone.

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Not to worry as I said I did a pluming apprenticeship and am also a mechanic fully qualified turned out to be the board was a easy swap over considering I had the second boiler on the ground beside me.

And your correct never step out of your comfort zone.

I didn't say never step out of your comfort zone , I said know your limits and don't take unnecessary risks with your own and your family's life's , completely different things ! Comfort is the enemy of achievement after all .
And being a qualified mechanic has very little to do with it , unless they've started putting gas boilers into cars I don't see the relevance.

burke027

Egass13 wrote: »

I didn't say never step out of your comfort zone , I said know your limits and don't take unnecessary risks with your own and your family's life's , completely different things ! Comfort is the enemy of achievement after all .
And being a qualified mechanic has very little to do with it , unless they've started putting gas boilers into cars I don't see the relevance.

That's twice you completly ignored the fact the said I was a qualified plumber also isn't it. Not to worry I only asked for advice it is a DIY forum after all.
There's no need to be getting uptight about something. I'm sure if u where into situation and stuck down the country with your kids in a cold cottage ud try sort it yourself wouldn't you

Robbie.G

Been a qualified plumber has nothing to do with fixing gas boilers.Did you do your gis/g1 during your apprenticeship.
Repairing gas boilers is not a DIY job as if your not trained to do so.

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

That's twice you completly ignored the fact the said I was a qualified plumber also isn't it. Not to worry I only asked for advice it is a DIY forum after all.
There's no need to be getting uptight about something. I'm sure if u where into situation and stuck down the country with your kids in a cold cottage ud try sort it yourself wouldn't you

I'm ignoring it because it's irrelevant . I was called to a breakdown where the customer had tried to fix it himself because he was an aircraft mechanic with the British army and travels the world fixing apache helicopters . Very impressive c.v , but completely of no use or relevance to the problem he was having with the boiler . After replacing the pcb he blew and putting the boiler back together it was an external programmer causing the fault. Simple fix when you know how , that's the difference between professionals and have a go'ers

burke027

Robbie.G wrote: »

Been a qualified plumber has nothing to do with fixing gas boilers.Did you do your gis/g1 during your apprenticeship.
Repairing gas boilers is not a DIY job as if your not trained to do so.

Touchy touchy guys. It's was a pcb circuit board I repair them every day in my job and worth a hell of a lot more then these it's all plug and play as any of you's RGI guys well know

jimf

I don't do gas as the lads over in p&h will know oil only on my cv

but this thread reminds me of a story I heard about a contract between a priest and a doctor

the doctor kept the priest from going to heaven and the priest kept the doctor from going to hell each to their own but safety has be numero uno

burke027

jimf wrote: »

I don't do gas as the lads over in p&h will know oil only on my cv

but this thread reminds me of a story I heard about a contract between a priest and a doctor

the doctor kept the priest from going to heaven and the priest kept the doctor from going to hell each to their own but safety has be numero uno

Your dead right but u tell me what plumber was going to travel to pontoon in Mayo on a Sunday none??
I had the knowledge and I used it. I will have a RGI SERVICE MY BOILER AND GIVE IT THE ONCE OVER

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Touchy touchy guys. It's was a pcb circuit board I repair them every day in my job and worth a hell of a lot more then these it's all plug and play as any of you's RGI guys well know

"Plug and play" ....enough said . As a wiser man than me once told me , an idiot never knows their an idiot . Best of luck.

burke027

Egass13 wrote: »

"Plug and play" ....enough said . As a wiser man than me once told me , an idiot never knows their an idiot . Best of luck.

Your telling me there not all plug in connections are you I can tell u they are and yes that is the reference giving to such a replacement part. U seem to be very sore on the subject considering I spend years studying pcbs I know what I'm on about

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Your telling me there not all plug in connections are you I can tell u they are and yes that is the reference giving to such a replacement part. U seem to be very sore on the subject considering I spend years studying pcbs I know what I'm on about

Again the point is missed . I'm bored now , have to go and fix boilers . Legally .

burke027

Egass13 wrote: »

Again the point is missed . I'm bored now , have to go and fix boilers . Legally .

Hope your not as rude to your customers

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Hope your not as rude to your customers

I fail to see where I was rude exactly, I tried to explain the reasons for not going into detail on a public forum and you responded with nonsensical remarks about being a mechanic and a plumber while failing to aknowledge that regardless if you have the brains of Stephen hawking the fact is unless your are a registered as installer it is illegal to work on gas appliances in your own or anybody's house. Weather you work on pcbs day in day out it is of no relevance to the task at hand. I'm sure nuclear bombs have pcbs , so are you qualified to work on them? Just move on now , this thread has been exhausted . Good luck

dodzy

Jesus, this place sometimes would annoy the sh1t out of you. A wealth of information. Some very knowledgeable folks across the site. But this same old "don't touch it, you're not RGI, you're not RECI, call a qualified plumber, call a qualified this, call a qualified that. It really does wear thin after a while.

No offence Burke, but you're like a dog with a bone here. Anyway, well done on getting the unit up and running.

Egass, out of interest, if you were on site and had established that a replacment PCB was required, what steps following the board replacement would you have carried out ? Just curious really.

Egass13

dodzy wrote: »

Jesus, this place sometimes would annoy the sh1t out of you. A wealth of information. Some very knowledgeable folks across the site. But this same old "don't touch it, you're not RGI, you're not RECI, call a qualified plumber, call a qualified this, call a qualified that. It really does wear thin after a while.

No offence Burke, but you're like a dog with a bone here. Anyway, well done on getting the unit up and running.

Egass, out of interest, if you were on site and had established that a replacment PCB was required, what steps following the board replacement would you have carried out ? Just curious really.

My steps would involve servicing the boiler , carrying out relevant gas safety checks , electrical safety checks and a combustion check using a flue gas analyser . Then issuing the appropriate cert confirming that the appliance is safe to use .

dodzy

Egass13 wrote: »

My steps would involve servicing the boiler , carrying out relevant gas safety checks , electrical safety checks and a combustion check using a flue gas analyser . Then issuing the appropriate cert confirming that the appliance is safe to use .

Those steps you outlined above are steps that every RGI person would be expected to carry out during a routine service, are they not ?

Assuming that a boiler had a good bill of health from a recent service, and there was an issue of PCB failure shortly after, surely it would not require a full service again ?

Let me rephrase: do you think it conceiveable that a RGI agent would turn up, establish the board as faulty, swap out the unit with a new board, and once deemed functional, do no further work on the unit ?

Egass13

dodzy wrote: »

Those steps you outlined above are steps that every RGI person would be expected to carry out during a routine service, are they not ?

Assuming that a boiler had a good bill of health from a recent service, and there was an issue of PCB failure shortly after, surely it would not require a full service again ?

Let me rephrase: do you think it conceiveable that a RGI agent would turn up, establish the board as faulty, swap out the unit with a new board, and once deemed functional, do no further work on the unit ?

I'm sure there are . The checks I carry out are part of how I work . Regardless if the boiler was serviced a few months previous , I have to certify it's safety after the repair . Servicing , aside from the bit of cleaning , is predominantly about safety IMO . If serviced 3 months previous it might well of been safe , but whose to say that didn't change during that time period. I don't take chances with safety I don't charge any extra unless specified beforehand but either way for my own sanity and due to the fact I understand the dangers associated with working on gas appliances I will carry out the job to a state that I'm comfortable to put my name on it.

dodzy

Egass13 wrote: »

I'm sure there are . The checks I carry out are part of how I work . Regardless if the boiler was serviced a few months previous , I have to certify it's safety after the repair . Servicing , aside from the bit of cleaning , is predominantly about safety IMO . If serviced 3 months previous it might well of been safe , but whose to say that didn't change during that time period. I don't take chances with safety I don't charge any extra unless specified beforehand but either way for my own sanity and due to the fact I understand the dangers associated with working on gas appliances I will carry out the job to a state that I'm comfortable to put my name on it.

Agree with everything you said above. Commendable service, and very reassuring.

That said, In some cases, a PCB swap out is not a hugely technical task and they are priced ridiculously, would you not agree?

Apart from the fact that you are not interfering with either the water, or more importantly, the gas circuits.

Egass13

dodzy wrote: »

Agree with everything you said above. Commendable service, and very reassuring.

That said, In some cases, a PCB swap out is not a hugely technical task and they are priced ridiculously, would you not agree?

Apart from the fact that you are not interfering with either the water, or more importantly, the gas circuits.

I agree some parts are overpriced but that's down to manufacturer but I don't agree with your second point I'm afraid . A pcb is an integral part of an appliance , that if worked on without the correct training , can be deadly . Aswell as that new pcbs on new HE boilers need to be set up and adjusted to suit the model they are being fitted into . So it's not "plug and play" as was suggested earlier.

dodzy

Egass13 wrote: »

I agree some parts are overpriced but that's down to manufacturer but I don't agree with your second point I'm afraid . A pcb is an integral part of an appliance , that if worked on without the correct training , can be deadly . Aswell as that new pcbs on new HE boilers need to be set up and adjusted to suit the model they are being fitted into . So it's not "plug and play" as was suggested earlier.

Unfortunately, my trusty ( most likely highly inefficient at this stage ) Potterton Prima 50F is not in the same league as the new models you referred to. That said, once power is correctly isolated, PCB is handy to swap out / work on, as is the fan. Running here 20 yrs last October. 1 PCB repaired with 3 capacitor swap out (€1.50 for parts), 2 fans ( both 2nd hand - €40 each approx ), and still runnin'

Lets see how long one of the "new kids on the block" last

burke027

Egass13 wrote: »

I agree some parts are overpriced but that's down to manufacturer but I don't agree with your second point I'm afraid . A pcb is an integral part of an appliance , that if worked on without the correct training , can be deadly . Aswell as that new pcbs on new HE boilers need to be set up and adjusted to suit the model they are being fitted into . So it's not "plug and play" as was suggested earlier.

Well considering it came from the exact same boiler identical in every way I fail to see what adjustment you make on the pcb do u want me to post a picture to prove there no adjustments and all only push on connections that only fit the correct corresponding part. In fact I'm sorry but with two boilers side by side a monkey would swap out the pcb

And as stated what's wrong with changing the pcb so long as no gas or water has being touched. Il tell u nothing at all only the fact that my heating is working.

I posted this on a DIY forum for advice not to be told contact this r that it's DIY for a reason.


But anyways you work away and service the boiler 2 months after it's being serviced.

Egass13

burke027 wrote: »

Well considering it came from the exact same boiler identical in every way I fail to see what adjustment you make on the pcb do u want me to post a picture to prove there no adjustments and all only push on connections that only fit the correct corresponding part. In fact I'm sorry but with two boilers side by side a monkey would swap out the pcb

And as stated what's wrong with changing the pcb so long as no gas or water has being touched. Il tell u nothing at all only the fact that my heating is working.

I posted this on a DIY forum for advice not to be told contact this r that it's DIY for a reason.


But anyways you work away and service the boiler 2 months after it's being serviced.

I'm beginning to think you've a screw loose my friend. 2 months / 2 days / 2 hours. It's irrelevant . I don't work on the assumption the man before did what he was supposed to do . There's no cert that has a box that says "pcb is grand but I didn't bother checking anything else but sure jimmy did it two months ago" . The cert is me saying I'm leaving the boiler to standards set out by the regs I work by. I don't see why that is a problem for you to understand . It's not about your technical ability , you can be a great driver but without a license it's illegal for you to drive ! I really am struggling to dumb it down anymore for you mate

Dtp1979

burke027 wrote: »

Well considering it came from the exact same boiler identical in every way I fail to see what adjustment you make on the pcb do u want me to post a picture to prove there no adjustments and all only push on connections that only fit the correct corresponding part. In fact I'm sorry but with two boilers side by side a monkey would swap out the pcb

And as stated what's wrong with changing the pcb so long as no gas or water has being touched. Il tell u nothing at all only the fact that my heating is working.

I posted this on a DIY forum for advice not to be told contact this r that it's DIY for a reason.


But anyways you work away and service the boiler 2 months after it's being serviced.

Would you let a vet take out your appendix

scudo2

Boiler servicing is not just a service. It a safety check that an experienced person will spot any other potential problems that could be very serious, if not potentaly life threatening.

I've often serviced perfect boilers and spotted a different serious safety problem.

Egass13

scudo2 wrote: »

Boiler servicing is not just a service. It a safety check that an experienced person will spot any other potential problems that could be very serious, if not potentaly life threatening.

I've often serviced perfect boilers and spotted a different serious safety problem.

Every week I come across them , had a prima funnily enough that was working perfectly ,noticed flame lift straight away . Stuck the analyser in and shot up to 6500ppm , flue was rotten. How does a man without the equipment know how to check these things , or even know what flame lift is for that matter .

scudo2

Egass13 wrote: »

Every week I come across them , had a prima funnily enough that was working perfectly ,noticed flame lift straight away . Stuck the analyser in and shot up to 6500ppm , flue was rotten. How does a man without the equipment know how to check these things , or even know what flame lift is for that matter .

To the uniformed.
When Egass says 6500pm he's talking about levels of carbon monoxide,

As low as 300ppm (parts per million) is life threatening after less than 1 hour exposure.

Figure it out yourself !!!!


People have died from faulty appliances.

Egass13

scudo2 wrote: »

To the uniformed.
When Egass says 6500pm he's talking about levels of carbon monoxide,

As low as 300ppm (parts per million) is life threatening after less than 1 hour exposure.

Figure it out yourself !!!!


People have died from faulty appliances.

Sure it's grand , he Dsnt need to be bogged down with those minuscule details scudo , he's a mechanic after all

burke027

burke027 wrote: »

Well considering it came from the exact same boiler identical in every way I fail to see what adjustment you make on the pcb do u want me to post a picture to prove there no adjustments and all only push on connections that only fit the correct corresponding part. In fact I'm sorry but with two boilers side by side a monkey would swap out the pcb

And as stated what's wrong with changing the pcb so long as no gas or water has being touched. Il tell u nothing at all only the fact that my heating is working.

I posted this on a DIY forum for advice not to be told contact this r that it's DIY for a reason.


But anyways you work away and service the boiler 2 months after it's being serviced.

Why is it always those who know the least who want to dictate the right and wrongs of a subject

What you did is illegal and this is a public forum where advice could encourage and promote unsafe situations.

Gas fitting is not rocket science and as you mentioned could be done by a monkey but i make a mistake I kill someone.

If there is ever a problem you will be judged on the whole installation as am I which makes me very nervous judging by the amount of badly fitted boilers I see.

Why should I have to assume the person asking for help is switched on, safe and knows there stuff cos they done a bit back in the day when most DIYers I delt with over the years have proved otherwise.

Who should judge the safety in anything, those with the experience of seeing the outcome of thousands of jobs or those with a passing interest who find it all very very simplistic.

Sorry, was it mentioned it's illegal:eek:

dodzy

Jesus lads, I think you made your point in the last 7 consecutive posts.

dodzy

dodzy wrote: »

Jesus lads, I think you made your point in the last 7 consecutive posts.

It would be absolutely fantastic to think that wouldn't it, but i'v been banging on about gas safety for over 25 years and the point still isn't accepted by those who feel they know better, so now your a convert you can spread the word and give the rest of us a break.

Egass13

dodzy wrote: »

Jesus lads, I think you made your point in the last 7 consecutive posts.

Dodzy with the greatest of respect , there is a difference between making a point and having your point understood. If you go back to the 8th post of this thread , it could of ended there with a bit of civility , but the op decided to keep banging on about being a mechanic for some reason so it got dragged out. I'm sure it's not the last time this type of thread will come up either

dodzy

Egass13 wrote: »

Dodzy with the greatest of respect , there is a difference between making a point and having your point understood. If you go back to the 8th post of this thread , it could of ended there with a bit of civility , but the op decided to keep banging on about being a mechanic for some reason so it got dragged out. I'm sure it's not the last time this type of thread will come up either

Post 8 is exactly where this thread should have ended, on a good note. Egass, your posts have all been solid, no argument.

@ Burke, really you should have took the compliment at that point and let it go.

That said, my final word on this: IMO, there are certain aspects of domestic issues that can be tackled, and tackled successfully, with a combination of good advice from those in the know combined with a general sense of understanding ones ability and limitations, instead of the usual predictive response of "leave it alone, you're not qualified, leave it to the pros, you're messing with the lives of your family, etc;"

scudo2

dodzy wrote: »

Post 8 is exactly where this thread should have ended, on a good note. Egass, your posts have all been solid, no argument.

@ Burke, really you should have took the compliment at that point and let it go.

That said, my final word on this: IMO, there are certain aspects of domestic issues that can be tackled, and tackled successfully, with a combination of good advice from those in the know combined with a general sense of understanding ones ability and limitations, instead of the usual predictive response of "leave it alone, you're not qualified, leave it to the pros, you're messing with the lives of your family, etc;"

Would you still have that attitude, especially in reference to your last sentence, if you lost your sister to carbon monoxide as my family did ?

Most replys here were from highly experienced professionals giving advice free of charge.
They stick to what there qualified in and only give advice on that forum. Look up their CV's and you'll see that the don't give advice on anything else that can be dangerous, if not life threatening.

THERE WAS A REASON why it was made ( and had to be made ) a criminal offence for anybody to go at gas that wasn't qualified.

There is a serious side to the advice we give, if it helps then all the better, if we can help then that's good, if we can get somebody safely out of a jam, all the better.

But if they don't listen to the majority then ............

Dtp1979

dodzy wrote: »

Post 8 is exactly where this thread should have ended, on a good note. Egass, your posts have all been solid, no argument.

@ Burke, really you should have took the compliment at that point and let it go.

That said, my final word on this: IMO, there are certain aspects of domestic issues that can be tackled, and tackled successfully, with a combination of good advice from those in the know combined with a general sense of understanding ones ability and limitations, instead of the usual predictive response of "leave it alone, you're not qualified, leave it to the pros, you're messing with the lives of your family, etc;"

The only advice we could really give a person on gas boilers is how to turn them on and how to top up the pressure in them

dodzy

scudo2 wrote: »

Would you still have that attitude, especially in reference to your last sentence, if you lost your sister to carbon monoxide as my family did ?

Most replys here were from highly experienced professionals giving advice free of charge.

THERE WAS A REASON why it was made a criminal offence for anybody to go at gas that wasn't qualified.

My sympathies to your family Scudo, and I'm not doubting previous posters credentials, including yours, but while we are on the subject:

1. There is absolutely NO guarantee that securing the services of a RGI will ensure a good standard of work

2. The only advice which you referred to was given in the first 2 posts
of this thread. Everything else was the same message.

I had initially pointed out that IMO, Burke should have bowed out gracefully after post #8, but, no offence to the man, he was like a dog with a bone.

I fear you are on similar ground now, so I'll leave it to ya.

dodzy

dodzy wrote: »

Post 8 is exactly where this thread should have ended, on a good note. Egass, your posts have all been solid, no argument.

@ Burke, really you should have took the compliment at that point and let it go.

That said, my final word on this: IMO, there are certain aspects of domestic issues that can be tackled, and tackled successfully, with a combination of good advice from those in the know combined with a general sense of understanding ones ability and limitations, instead of the usual predictive response of "leave it alone, you're not qualified, leave it to the pros, you're messing with the lives of your family, etc;"

And there we have it, same old same old, but what use is knowledge without experience.

Firstly I don't really care if you fix your own boiler because i'v given up trying to stop you and those like you who think the idea of gas safety is a conspiracy hatched up by money grabbing gas monkeys.

The thing I find offensive is the lack of interest in safety and assuming because a boiler is in your home your free of any of the responsibility that make's me fearful of making a mistake.

You say working on gas is not dangerious based on what?

Without the case coming off i'v nearly lost my life twice due to others stupidity yet you say there's no risk, I know of prosecutions with issues due to pcbs, i'v seen the damaged caused by those who would have said the same as yourself up until it went pear shaped.

I, like other who work on appliances have seen the outcome of silliness but yet those who have limited experience have a opinion which is surprisingly different.

So fiddle all you like I have no interest but please don't tell me it's risk free i'v seen far to much silliness that proves otherwise.

Tell me why do you think others and myself bang on so boringly about safety?

dodzy

dodzy wrote: »

My sympathies to your family Scudo, and I'm not doubting previous posters credentials, including yours, but while we are on the subject:

1. There is absolutely NO guarantee that securing the services of a RGI will ensure a good standard of work

2. The only advice which you referred to was given in the first 2 posts
of this thread. Everything else was the same message.

I had initially pointed out that IMO, Burke should have bowed out gracefully after post #8, but, no offence to the man, he was like a dog with a bone.

I fear you are on similar ground now, so I'll leave it to ya.

I totally agree, but the advice given is coming from seasoned gas fitters, like others I'm passionate about gas safety and that message can be lost at times.

scudo2

DODZY POST
I had initially pointed out that IMO, Burke should have bowed out gracefully after post #8, but, no offence to the man, he was like a dog with a bone.

I fear you are on similar ground now, so I'll leave it to ya.[/quote]






It's not a dog with a bone attitude.!
Its just trying to be helpfull attitude.

I'm finished.

dodzy

gary71 wrote: »

And there we have it, same old same old, but what use is knowledge without experience.

Firstly I don't really care if you fix your own boiler because i'v given up trying to stop you and those like you who think the idea of gas safety is a conspiracy hatched up by money grabbing gas monkeys.

At no point did I indicate what you have stated

gary71 wrote: »

The thing I find offensive is the lack of interest in safety and assuming because a boiler is in your home your free of any of the responsibility that make's me fearful of making a mistake.

What gives you that idea?

gary71 wrote: »

You say working on gas is not dangerious based on what?

Where did I say that ?

gary71 wrote: »

Without the case coming off i'v nearly lost my life twice due to others stupidity yet you say there's no risk, I know of prosecutions with issues due to pcbs, i'v seen the damaged caused by those who would have said the same as yourself up until it went pear shaped.

Is it possible that your predecessor in this case was/were RGI ?

gary71 wrote: »

Tell me why do you think others and myself bang on so boringly about safety?

Safety is never "boring", and always warrants maximum respect. FWIW, I think its great that you and other professionals like you tirelessly point out the risks to others. But surely, even you have to admit, that there are massive differences in the ability of DIYers who frequent boards. In that regard, I think that it would be better if advice was a little more forthcoming and leave it to the individual to decide if the required works are within their scope of ability or not ?

gary71 wrote: »

I totally agree, but the advice given is coming from seasoned gas fitters, like others I'm passionate about gas safety and that message can be lost at times.

All due respect Gary, but you're waffling in some of your above comments. How can you tell me that because I repaired a PCB in an appliance that I have a blatant disregard for the welfare of my family and for safety in general?

I know my limitations, but am comfortable to at least investigate most things, ensuring that I have properly researched what is required, evaluated potential risks, trawled through advice fora on relevant information, etc. and then make a decision on whether I am confident to move forward or to pass the task onto another party.

shane0007

dodzy wrote: »

All due respect Gary, but you're waffling in some of your above comments. How can you tell me that because I repaired a PCB in an appliance that I have a blatant disregard for the welfare of my family and for safety in general?

I don't normally respond to gas related posts in the DIY forum because this is a DIY forum & gas is strictly a professional & very strictly governed area of expertise, so the two really do not go together. Advice for gas should be sought in the Plumbing & Heating Forum.
However, I will answer some of your questions that I feel warrant an explanation.
You are endangering yourself, your family, anybody who enters your property & anybody who comes within the vicinity of your home when you replace the pcb yourself as you could potentially unknowingly disable a safety device of that boiler. Some pcb's require specific adjustments to their potentiometers in order that they know what power output boiler they are fitted to. Many boiler ranges use the same pcb across a range of output boilers & have to be told what they are fitted to. Pcb's control every safety feature of a boiler, including the gas valve, fans, fan speeds, air pressure switches, & some even control burner pressures & some even determine the burner pressure for the gas they are burning. Get them wrong & you could have a fatal issue.

Some boilers door seals have the pcb in that chamber, some don't. Do you know how to do a case seal test to ensure the door has sealed corrected when you put it back together?

What blew the pcb in the first instance? Was it a high carbon monoxide flue issue that overheated the fan that power surged the pcb? Are you fitting a new pcb only to re-start the high CO issue?

dodzy wrote: »

I know my limitations, but am comfortable to at least investigate most things, ensuring that I have properly researched what is required, evaluated potential risks, trawled through advice fora on relevant information, etc. and then make a decision on whether I am confident to move forward or to pass the task onto another party.

Do you really know your limitations? How do you know what you do not know?

A given up plumber come mechanic is by no means somebody who even comes close to being suitable to open a gas boiler, work on said appliance & most certainly not change a pcb.

I'm not having a go at you, but I thought I might try explain in simple terms why a DIY'er should not work on any gas appliance in any manner. Even worse than somebody who knows they have no clue about what they are doing is somebody who incorrectly thinks they know what they doing. Those people have no fear & every person including myself needs a whole lot of fear & respect of gas.

jimf

don't often see the gas boys posting here on the diy forum

so I think when they go to the trouble of posting here we should all listen and take what they have to say on board