Norwegian Airline Wins Irish License, doesn't fly from Ireland?

drunkmonkey

First read the article below and thought great cheap flights to the states but apparently Norweigan air although based in Ireland with an Irish licence won't actually have any flights from here..

An Ultra-Cheap, Anti-Union Upstart Airline Could Transform Flying

http://business.time.com/2014/02/13/an-ultra-cheap-anti-union-upstart-airline-could-transform-flying/

flazio

Ryanair have loads of routes that don't touch Ireland and they are all flying under an Irish licence.

sawdoubters

run at a loss

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/business/international/norwegian-air-reports-earnings.html?_r=0

LoonyLovegood

That's a bit of a misnomer. They had a loss for one quarter, but had a profit for the year.

kona

Whoring out some aoc now. Probably destroy Irish airlines by bringing in cheap labour from the east and paying **** all.

Tenger

drunkmonkey wrote: »

...An Ultra-Cheap, Anti-Union Upstart Airline Could Transform Flying.....

I think Ryanair already got this airline achievement a few years back.....

Stovepipe

Ryanair didn't invent a lot of the gross reduction of terms and conditions that have become the lot of pilots in Europe (and engineers, cabin crew, office staff too). Ryanair simply imported what it needed, to pursue the low-cost model invented elsewhere. They were (and are) pretty much standard in America for many decades now. If you think airline pilot pay is getting worse in Europe, bear in mind that in the States (and other places), pay for staff in non-legacy operators was and is often on a par with burger-flippers, union protection is non-existent or not tolerated, annual leave and sick leave is reduced to the absolute legal minimum, staff are hired and fired at a whim and lots more besides. Apart from that, a lot of third-level operators in Europe behaved like that anyway, quite simply because national aviation authorities didn't care, didn't want to know or couldn't deal with every issue that crops up.It's also convenient for NAAs to fob off complaints as a HR issue or a labour issue, which, in effect, means that no-one will deal with it...
regards
Stovepipe

Kumsheen

drunkmonkey wrote: »

won't actually have any flights from here..

http://business.time.com/2014/02/13/an-ultra-cheap-anti-union-upstart-airline-could-transform-flying/

They fly into Dublin.

LXFlyer

I think that the point is that they are not planning any long haul flights from Dublin. The newly created subsidiary that is licensed in Ireland is to solely operate the long haul flights.

The company operating the European flights (including to/from Dublin) is registered in Norway.

folbotcar

There's an implication in the criticism that Ireland is like some dodgy third world country making money out of selling flags of convenience. That actually annoys me, all the more when Irish people buy into the lie. If we're to believe that none of us would want to fly on Stovepipe's employer's green painted aircraft and say what you like about Ryanair. It's record speaks for itself. They may not treat their employees or contractors all that well but they pay them well enough.

The facts of the case is that Norwegian are attempting to get around Norway's very expensive employment practices. Norway is a high tax and a high wage country. The cost of living is very expensive too. Plus the cost of doing business. In order to for it to have any chance of surviving the airline had to set up outside Norway whether it be Ireland or anywhere else. The fault lies with Norway not with Ireland.

They came here for the same reason Google, IBM, Intel, all those Aircraft leasing agencies. It's simply that Ireland is a good place to do business.

bumper234

folbotcar wrote: »

There's an implication in the criticism that Ireland is like some dodgy third world country making money out of selling flags of convenience. That actually annoys me, all the more when Irish people buy into the lie. If we're to believe that none of us would want to fly on Stovepipe's employer's green painted aircraft and say what you like about Ryanair. It's record speaks for itself. They may not treat their employees or contractors all that well but they pay them well enough.

The facts of the case is that Norwegian are attempting to get around Norway's very expensive employment practices. Norway is a high tax and a high wage country. The cost of living is very expensive too. Plus the cost of doing business. In order to for it to have any chance of surviving the airline had to set up outside Norway whether it be Ireland or anywhere else. The fault lies with Norway not with Ireland.

They came here for the same reason Google, IBM, Intel, all those Aircraft leasing agencies. It's simply that Ireland is a good place to do business.

Well said Enda

Delta Kilo

There are many Irish companies with SPVs in other jurisdictions to bypass tax or take advantage of trade links between countries. Its very common when dealing with international trades. Norwegian are basing their low cost transatlantic operations here, a person I know is now working with them in an engineering role, so its not all bad!

folbotcar

bumper234 wrote: »

Well said Enda

Don't compare me to that tool. It's no thanks to him that this country is a good place to do business. Thousands of jobs here depend on that fact. Particularly in aviation.

There's far too much concentration on the negative in this country.

From what I hear that documentary on RTE on Thursday will open a few eyes to the extent of aviation in Ireland.

Stovepipe

@folborcar, read my post again. The first two lines of my post mentioned Ryanair and I didn't mention Aer Lingus at all. It wasn't an attack on FR or a defence of EI. Nowhere did I say that Ireland is a haven for flag-of-convenience operators. Most of my post was about the industry-wide reduction of terms and conditions for staff, which embraces Ireland as well as the rest of the world.

regards
Stovepipe