Irish LGBTQ couples getting married in the UK?

LME1

Hi Everyone,

I am hearing that a lot of couples from Ireland are inquiring about same-sex marriages in the UK. Both Stonewall and GLEN have confirmed it.

Is it that easy to get married in UK? I thought that until same-sex marriage is legal in Ireland, UK marriages will still be seen as Civil Partnerships in Ireland?

If the status will still be the same when you come home I am not sure why couples would go to the UK at all until we know the outcome of the referendum? Or have I missed something in the small print??

Thanks!

Daith

Their marriage will only be recognized as a civil partnership in Ireland.

LME1

That's what I thought! Thanks for confirming!

Why all the interest then? Are couples going to the UK anyway?

Annasopra

LME1 wrote: »

That's what I thought! Thanks for confirming!

Why all the interest then? Are couples going to the UK anyway?

Maybe people don't understand that a uk marriage equals an Irish civil partnership

Annasopra

Actually UK marriages would be in a legal limbo. The Minister hasn't recognised them yet.


www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR13000420

LME1

Thanks Mango Salsa. It's an interesting read.

I wonder if they are waiting for the start dates of same-sex marriages to fall in England, before they make their own changes? I wonder why they can't just publish it in advance so that couples can make plans.

It's quite irritating that there is all this ambiguity between the status of civil partnerships. There is still no process available in the UK for those in a civil partnership that would like to convert their union to a marriage. There is still no firm understanding of the status for those who get married in the UK and move back to Ireland.

It would be interesting to see if there actually lower numbers of CP in Ireland this year while we wait for the referendum.

I noticed that a same-sex marriage in France (As an EU country) is recognized as a marriage. I wonder what the criteria is for a marriage to be recognized in Ireland?

L1011

LME1 wrote: »

I wonder if they are waiting for the start dates of same-sex marriages to fall in England, before they make their own changes? I wonder why they can't just publish it in advance so that couples can make plans.

All previous updates to the list have occured in December annually. If they announced they were going to add it and then, for whatever reason didn't/couldn't (sudden change of Government or some other crisis hitting whereby such an order would be very low priority) there would be potential for legal actions.

Its fairly safe to say it will be added, in December 2014 but I wouldn't risk getting in to a situation where it was going to be critical financially or otherwise on the off-chance there's a problem.

The reason there's no blanket provision is that some registered unions, e.g. the French PACS system (pre full marriage equality there) can be dissolved in a manner which is too easy to be deemed acceptable here.

And no, French same-sex marriages are not recognised as a marriage here; they're recognised as a Civil Partnership, as are all the other recognised ones.

LME1

Thanks for clarifying that MYOB.

I was getting confused!

I did notice the Dec-Dec update but thought they would react a bit quicker when Northern Ireland's laws are changing.

So it looks like the waiting game now in that case.....

Would be interesting to see if couples are flocking to the UK.

L1011

Northern Ireland isn't changing. Three legal systems in the UK.