Extremely noisy cars

SweetPotatoes

Getting woken up by boyracer idiots in souped up half wit cars with very noisy exhausts. I know there is an EU Directive against such noise pollution. The Environmental Noise Directive (2002/49/EC. I wonder if Ireland has fulfilled its obligation and implemented and enforced effective laws to stop these idiots from disturbing the 99.99% of the population who do not want to hear their souped up hairdryers on the roads, especially in the city. I do know there are effective laws in Germany whereas such cars would not pass their MOT and any alterations to a factory car need to be certified before it is allowed on the road. Allowing for the fact Germany will be well ahead of Ireland in such social responsibility matters, I still think Ireland should have laws in place by now to stop this.

Victor

Just report them to the Garda with their registration number.

I sorted one local nuisance, but I have yet to catch the other one - they have the habit of cruising around the neighbourhood after midnight.

SweetPotatoes

Victor wrote: »

Just report them to the Garda with their registration number.

I sorted one local nuisance, but I have yet to catch the other one - they have the habit of cruising around the neighbourhood after midnight.

Thanks Victor. I walked past one the other day as he was parket whilst revving up his engine which practically shook the street to the core. Unluckily, I did not have a pen on me. Would the Garda actually do something about it? Do I simply call them or email them or is there an online report facility that can be filled out?

Victor

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

Unluckily, I did not have a pen on me.

Write yourself a text message on your phone.

Would the Garda actually do something about it?

It worked for me. The Garda was initially sceptical, because the car was a classic Japanese sports car import and he thought there wouldn't be shenanigans.

Do I simply call them or email them or is there an online report facility that can be filled out?

They don't accept complaints via e-mail (in case GSOC see them ).

I called in to the local station.

WayneScott

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

Getting woken up by boyracer idiots in souped up half wit cars with very noisy exhausts. I know there is an EU Directive against such noise pollution. The Environmental Noise Directive (2002/49/EC. I wonder if Ireland has fulfilled its obligation and implemented and enforced effective laws to stop these idiots from disturbing the 99.99% of the population who do not want to hear their souped up hairdryers on the roads, especially in the city. I do know there are effective laws in Germany whereas such cars would not pass their MOT and any alterations to a factory car need to be certified before it is allowed on the road. Allowing for the fact Germany will be well ahead of Ireland in such social responsibility matters, I still think Ireland should have laws in place by now to stop this.

There are laws the cops sometimes do not enfoce them . write to the super
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0052.html

SweetPotatoes

WayneScott wrote: »

There are laws the cops sometimes do not enfoce them . write to the super
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0052.html

I think that is related to dangerous driving. It is noise pollution laws I am looking for and ways in getting them enforced. There is a muppet driving around Dublin City Centre with a car and an exhause almost as big as it again that makes the launch of the space shuttle sound like birds singing in comparison. :mad:

WayneScott

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

I think that is related to dangerous driving. It is noise pollution laws I am looking for and ways in getting them enforced. There is a muppet driving around Dublin City Centre with a car and an exhause almost as big as it again that makes the launch of the space shuttle sound like birds singing in comparison. :mad:

I don't think the garda do noise pollution and to my knowledge that EU directive is not enforable here. i cannot recall why but did check it out

There is a muppet driving around Dublin City Centre with a car and an exhause almost as big as it again that makes the launch of the space shuttle sound like birds singing in comparison

send the reg to the relevant super

A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place.

boy tracers can be done under that. I have seen it. Someone keeping someone awake is not having considration. all those boy racers are dopey clowns and thugs

SweetPotatoes

WayneScott wrote: »

I don't think the garda do noise pollution and to my knowledge that EU directive is not enforable here. i cannot recall why but did check it out

The Directive is one of the legal instruments available to the European institutions for implementing European policies. It is a tool mainly used in operations to harmonise national legislations. The directive is a very flexible instrument; it obliges the Member States to achieve a certain result but leaves them free to choose how to do so.

Article 288 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU states that a directive is binding. Like the European regulation or the decision, it is binding upon those to whom it is addressed. It is binding in its entirety and so may not be applied incompletely, selectively or partially.

However, a directive is distinct from a decision or a regulation. While a regulation is applicable in Member States’ internal law immediately after its entry into force, a directive must first be transposed by the Member States. Thus, a directive does not contain the means of application; it only imposes on the Member States the requirement of a result. They are free to choose the form and the means for applying the directive. (http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/institutional_affairs/decisionmaking_process/l14527_en.htm)

In a nutshell, if the Irish State has not implemented laws that give effect to the Directive, I can sue the Irish State for not doing so.

Notwithstanding the fact that directives were not originally thought to be binding before they were implemented by member states, the European Court of Justice developed the doctrine of direct effect where unimplemented or badly implemented directives can actually have direct legal force. Also, in Francovich v. Italy, the court found that member states could be liable to pay damages to individuals and companies who had been adversely affected by the non-implementation of a directive. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_%28European_Union%29)

WayneScott

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

The Directive is one of the legal instruments available to the European institutions for implementing European policies. It is a tool mainly used in operations to harmonise national legislations. The directive is a very flexible instrument; it obliges the Member States to achieve a certain result but leaves them free to choose how to do so.

Article 288 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU states that a directive is binding. Like the European regulation or the decision, it is binding upon those to whom it is addressed. It is binding in its entirety and so may not be applied incompletely, selectively or partially.

However, a directive is distinct from a decision or a regulation. While a regulation is applicable in Member States’ internal law immediately after its entry into force, a directive must first be transposed by the Member States. Thus, a directive does not contain the means of application; it only imposes on the Member States the requirement of a result. They are free to choose the form and the means for applying the directive. (http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/institutional_affairs/decisionmaking_process/l14527_en.htm)

In a nutshell, if the Irish State has not implemented laws that give effect to the Directive, I can sue the Irish State for not doing so.

Notwithstanding the fact that directives were not originally thought to be binding before they were implemented by member states, the European Court of Justice developed the doctrine of direct effect where unimplemented or badly implemented directives can actually have direct legal force. Also, in Francovich v. Italy, the court found that member states could be liable to pay damages to individuals and companies who had been adversely affected by the non-implementation of a directive. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_%28European_Union%29)

I can sue the Irish State for not doing so.

then sue them.i thought you just wanted rid of noise. if you know all that why are you posting here complaining about a boy racer. i told you how to stop him. If you prefer to sue the state and quote directives do so. i will not read any more of it

SweetPotatoes

WayneScott wrote: »

then sue them.i thought you just wanted rid of noise. if you know all that why are you posting here complaining about a boy racer. i told you how to stop him. If you prefer to sue the state and quote directives do so. i will not read any more of it

I was only correcting your mistake regarding the Directive not being effective in Ireland. If there are adequate laws implementing the Directive then there is no need to sue anybody. The only thing is do is to try and get the authorities to enforce the law.

This is a legal discussion thread after all so I am asking if there is such law in Ireland as their should be.

Pro Hoc Vice

http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Noise/PublicationsDocuments/FileDownLoad,18226,en.pdf

See A2 seems to set out the state of play in 2008 there may be new regulations since then.

pablo128

The NCT measures exhaust noise now. So the drivers involved may not have an NCT, or simply changed the exhaust afterwards. Either way, gardai can measure the noise levels at the side of the road. I'm just guessing, but maybe the traffic corps have the equipment. Either way, report them in person at the station.

SweetPotatoes

pablo128 wrote: »

The NCT measures exhaust noise now. So the drivers involved may not have an NCT, or simply changed the exhaust afterwards. Either way, gardai can measure the noise levels at the side of the road. I'm just guessing, but maybe the traffic corps have the equipment. Either way, report them in person at the station.

He could not possibly have an NCT approval. His noise would be too much even for an airport runway. I have secondary sound reducing glazing on my window and wear earplugs when sleeping also and cannot even hear an ambulance racing along the street with sirens on but his noise goes far and above that and it even seems loud to me. I cannot imagine what it must be like for those who do not have secondary sound reducing glazing or earplugs. I should not have to report him. All the Garda need to do is listen. They will hear him from a mile away.

SweetPotatoes

On another point. I presume these laws apply to motorbikes also. Some leather clad half wits seem to think the rest of us want to hear them coming from a mile off.

pablo128

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

On another point. I presume these laws apply to motorbikes also. Some leather clad half wits seem to think the rest of us want to hear them coming from a mile off.

I suppose if they are racing past your house or nearby, but it's handy to hear a bike in heavy traffic, filtering through or passing you out. The really are difficult to notice sometimes approaching from behind.

Demonical

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

On another point. I presume these laws apply to motorbikes also. Some leather clad half wits seem to think the rest of us want to hear them coming from a mile off.

They do want you to hear them coming a mile off because drivers in larger vehicles don't see them coming and have a tendency to drive straight into their path. Loud pipes save lives as they say.

By the way "leather clad halfwits" and you're other derogatory remarks about modified car enthusiasts is not endearing anyone, especially me, towards being anyway sympathetic towards your cause. Go back to the bridge you crawled out from under or go get a pair of these http://www.hearing.ie/protection_custom_moulded.html made up do go with your secondary noise reducing windows :rolleyes:

Victor

pablo128 wrote: »

I suppose if they are racing past your house or nearby, but it's handy to hear a bike in heavy traffic, filtering through or passing you out. The really are difficult to notice sometimes approaching from behind.

Turn off the radio and open the windows.

WayneScott

Demonical wrote: »

They do want you to hear them coming a mile off because drivers in larger vehicles don't see them coming and have a tendency to drive straight into their path. Loud pipes save lives as they say.

By the way "leather clad halfwits" and you're other derogatory remarks about modified car enthusiasts is not endearing anyone, especially me, towards being anyway sympathetic towards your cause. Go back to the bridge you crawled out from under or go get a pair of these http://www.hearing.ie/protection_custom_moulded.html made up do go with your secondary noise reducing windows :rolleyes:

Nonsense the bikers drive every where they like weaving in and out of traffic. Solid whit lines mean nothing to them. It is the bikers who drive into others paths

SweetPotatoes

Demonical wrote: »

They do want you to hear them coming a mile off because drivers in larger vehicles don't see them coming and have a tendency to drive straight into their path. Loud pipes save lives as they say.

By the way "leather clad halfwits" and you're other derogatory remarks about modified car enthusiasts is not endearing anyone, especially me, towards being anyway sympathetic towards your cause. Go back to the bridge you crawled out from under or go get a pair of these http://www.hearing.ie/protection_custom_moulded.html made up do go with your secondary noise reducing windows :rolleyes:

This might come as a shock to you. Especially if you are one of those leather clad halfwits with nothing but concrete between your ears who thinks a noisy engine makes up for a small dick. The EU noise Directive applies equally to everyone. Motorbikes are not exempt, no more than they are exempt from obeying the rules of the road even though most of them think the rules of the road are for everyone else.

Motorbikes seem to think traffic ques are not for them, nor are the stop lines at traffic lights. Pavements are not for pedestrians, they are for motorbikes to be parked obstructing pedestrians. Actually, are there any rules of the road or any general courtesies towards everyone else that these leather clad halfwits do respect? I am struggling to think of any.

You think everyone should wear ear protection so these leather clad halfwits can feel an artificial surge of power between their legs?

Del2005

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

This might come as a shock to you. Especially if you are one of those leather clad halfwits with nothing but concrete between your ears who thinks a noisy engine makes up for a small dick. The EU noise Directive applies equally to everyone. Motorbikes are not exempt, no more than they are exempt from obeying the rules of the road even though most of them think the rules of the road are for everyone else.

Motorbikes seem to think traffic ques are not for them, nor are the stop lines at traffic lights. Pavements are not for pedestrians, they are for motorbikes to be parked obstructing pedestrians. Actually, are there any rules of the road or any general courtesies towards everyone else that these leather clad halfwits do respect? I am struggling to think of any.

You think everyone should wear ear protection so these leather clad halfwits can feel an artificial surge of power between their legs?

It's legal in this country to filter. Plenty of other road users ignore stop lines or continous white lines. If you see someone doing something illegal then report it.

In Dublin it's illegal for a bike to use a pay and display bay, so there's no where legally to park a bike. If bays are provided with something to secure the bike to then bikes wouldn't have to park on the footpath.

If people weren't asleep behind the wheel of several tonnes of an airbag cocooned death dealing machines then bikes wouldn't need to be noisy.

There are a few aholes on bikes but every group of road users have people who think that the laws are only for others. Tarring all bikers as half wits just shows that you lack intelligence.

Tefral

They can be prosecuted under the ROAD TRAFFIC (CONSTRUCTION, EQUIPMENT AND USE OF VEHICLES) REGULATIONS, 1963 section 29

SweetPotatoes

Del2005 wrote: »

It's legal in this country to filter. Plenty of other road users ignore stop lines or continous white lines. If you see someone doing something illegal then report it.

In Dublin it's illegal for a bike to use a pay and display bay, so there's no where legally to park a bike. If bays are provided with something to secure the bike to then bikes wouldn't have to park on the footpath.

If people weren't asleep behind the wheel of several tonnes of an airbag cocooned death dealing machines then bikes wouldn't need to be noisy.

There are a few aholes on bikes but every group of road users have people who think that the laws are only for others. Tarring all bikers as half wits just shows that you lack intelligence.

Not sure what you mean by filter but if you mean it is legal in this country for a bike to be noisy then Ireland is in breach of the noise Directive. This is not in any way ambiguous. EU directives lay down certain end results that must be achieved in every Member State. National authorities have to adapt their laws to meet these goals, but are free to decide how to do so.

Dates

of document: 25/06/2002
of effect: 18/07/2002; Entry into force Date pub. See Art 15
end of validity: 99/99/9999
deadline: 18/07/2004; At the latest See Art 14.1

Classifications

EUROVOC descriptor:
noise protection
action programme
evaluation method
access to information
dissemination of information
noise pollution
noise
Directory code:
15.10.20.40 Environment, consumers and health protection / Environment / Pollution and nuisances / Prevention of noise pollution
Subject matter:
Environment

Miscellaneous information

Author:
European Parliament, Council
Form:
Directive
Addressee:
The Member States

Del2005

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by filter but if you mean it is legal in this country for a bike to be noisy then Ireland is in breach of the noise Directive. This is not in any way ambiguous. EU directives lay down certain end results that must be achieved in every Member State. National authorities have to adapt their laws to meet these goals, but are free to decide how to do so.

Filtering is driving between lanes or passing lines of traffic.

I never said it was legal to exceed the noise limits I was explaining why some people choose to ignore them. There are loads of laws which everyone ignores in this country, noise limits should be the least of your worries.

SweetPotatoes

Del2005 wrote: »

Filtering is driving between lanes or passing lines of traffic.

I never said it was legal to exceed the noise limits I was explaining why some people choose to ignore them. There are loads of laws which everyone ignores in this country, noise limits should be the least of your worries.

If I cannot find a parking space for my car that does not entitle me to park on the pavement. I agree with you regarding some motorists going beyond stop line at traffic lights. Generally Taxi drivers anticipating the light going green but that does not make it OK. The lack of motor noise level control is a serious breach of environmental law. It will cost the State a lot when someone takes it to task at the ECJ. That is going to happen sooner or later. Probably sooner. May even be happening right now.

Del2005

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

If I cannot find a parking space for my car that does not entitle me to park on the pavement.

The difference is that you can park if you find a space a bike can't even if all the spaces are free. If a bike parks in a pay and display bay it gets ticketed or clamped, if a bike parks blocking a footpath it gets ticketed or lifted. If a bike parks on a footpath not blocking access it's tolerated as there is no legal place to park it.

If towns provided bays for bikes to park then they wouldn't need to use the footpath.

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

The lack of motor noise level control is a serious breach of environmental law. It will cost the State a lot when someone takes it to task at the ECJ. That is going to happen sooner or later. Probably sooner. May even be happening right now.

We're getting fined for loads of environmental breaches, what another fine as we're just giving them back the money they loaned us in the first place.

SweetPotatoes

Del2005 wrote: »

The difference is that you can park if you find a space a bike can't even if all the spaces are free. If a bike parks in a pay and display bay it gets ticketed or clamped, if a bike parks blocking a footpath it gets ticketed or lifted. If a bike parks on a footpath not blocking access it's tolerated as there is no legal place to park it.

If towns provided bays for bikes to park then they wouldn't need to use the footpath.



We're getting fined for loads of environmental breaches, what another fine as we're just giving them back the money they loaned us in the first place.

A real socially conscious nation. It is no excuse. Sometimes I think we get what we deserve. However, most people don't deserve it. Just the attitude of a minority who do not give a f### about the rest of us and nothing done about it by the authorities. Bankers, criminals, bad motorists, boy racers, inconsiderate motor cyclists etc etc. Ineffective legal system that couldn't wipe its own ass.

No Pants

SweetPotatoes wrote: »

he was parket whilst revving up his engine which practically shook the street to the core.

No it didn't.

snubbleste

An Garda do enforce the area of modified exhausts
People complained and now they are being pro-active about it.
http://www.connachttribune.ie/galway-news/item/2309-galway-gardai-seizing-45-souped-up-cars-per-week

EazyD

snubbleste wrote: »

An Garda do enforce the area of modified exhausts
People complained and now they are being pro-active about it.
http://www.connachttribune.ie/galway-news/item/2309-galway-gardai-seizing-45-souped-up-cars-per-week

Thing is if the car passed an NCT with exhaust modifications it wouldn't fall under the above. Mine is relatively loud, but then again I am fairly considerate when it comes to keeping it minimal nuisance to others.

WayneScott

snubbleste wrote: »

An Garda do enforce the area of modified exhausts
People complained and now they are being pro-active about it.
http://www.connachttribune.ie/galway-news/item/2309-galway-gardai-seizing-45-souped-up-cars-per-week

good for the garda dealing with these little scummy muppets with their dopey little heads in hoodies thining there is somethinhg cool about noise. attention seek ing clowns