Reporting travel pass abuse

Thinking About It

Anyone know how to go about reporting travel pass abuse, both for rail and bus ?

Thank you

Kristopherus

Thinking About It wrote: »

Anyone know how to go about reporting travel pass abuse, both for rail and bus ?

Thank you

Go to www.welfare.ie. There is a button on the rhs of the home page where you can report welfare fraud.

Jamie2k9

Thinking About It wrote: »

Anyone know how to go about reporting travel pass abuse, both for rail and bus ?

Thank you

Wouldn't do any harm if you were to report it to operators to, I know IE take it vey seriously but given them a name/route specifically used on they watch out for it.

foggy_lad

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Anyone know how to go about reporting travel pass abuse, both for rail and bus ?

Thank you

When you say travel pass abuse what do you mean? People travelling for no reason or someone who is not going to a hospital appointment or other important travel? Or have you information of someone fraudulently using a travel pass?

If it is the latter then contact your local social welfare office and also the local railway station and bus eireann. Given as much information as you can about when the person is usually travelling and inspectors capable of checking the status of any pass they have can do checks on whatever bus or train they are on.

Thinking About It

Fraudulently using another persons travel pass. Found it on a bus and is using it ever since. Bus drivers or ticket checkers on trains must never ask for ID.
Still thinking about it. It does annoy me when i think about it.

Hilly Bill

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Fraudulently using another persons travel pass. Found it on a bus and is using it ever since. Bus drivers or ticket checkers on trains must never ask for ID.
Still thinking about it. It does annoy me when i think about it.

Shows a fault in the system . Should have been caught the first time it was used.

AlekSmart

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Fraudulently using another persons travel pass. Found it on a bus and is using it ever since. Bus drivers or ticket checkers on trains must never ask for ID.
Still thinking about it. It does annoy me when i think about it.

I think you'll find enough posts on here ballyragging Irish Rail ticket-checkers for their "lack of understanding" for those without DSP Pass Photo-ID,to counter that point....;)

The DSP themselves did'nt exactly add to the ease of verification when they adopted a 2-prong approach to ID...City Slickers require it,Country Bumpkins Don't.

I met one of the DB Zero Tolerance team last week who had a bundle of confiscated DSP Free Passes all neatly and tightly wrapped in tape for return to the DSP in Sligo.....what happens after that is totally out of Dublin Bus's control,but I suspect most posters know only too well what the DSP's own approach is :rolleyes:

Incredibly,I have noticed quite a few people now using the Shiny NEW High Tech Chipped FT Card as the ID part along with their OLD Corn-Flakes Box document.....You would struggle to find a comedy writer capable of penning stuff like this.....:(

Hilly Bill

A lot thought the ID was the pass. It will be fun when they will have to scan it like a leap card and they wreck it by shoving it into the ticket slot .

AlekSmart

Hilly Bill wrote: »

A lot thought the ID was the pass. It will be fun when they will have to scan it like a leap card and they wreck it by shoving it into the ticket slot .

It should be ok HillyBill,as by then the Magnetic Card Validator will be history,so it will involve only the remote validator or the Drivers TIM IF a spouse/companion is travelling.

There wont be any great problem with the 326,000 pass holders of Pensionable Age.....It's the long-term users of "Hooky" or otherwise Invalid passes who are going to be VERY disgruntled and perhaps react accordingly.

I DO notice that the new-style passes are now generating chat,as holders flash them around,with the result that people are now suddenly starting to pay attention to the system....and those using it....Watch these spaces....;)

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

There wont be any great problem with the 326,000 pass holders of Pensionable Age.....It's the long-term users of "Hooky" or otherwise Invalid passes who are going to be VERY disgruntled and perhaps react accordingly.

There are many passes held legitimately by people who are not of pensionable age, these are all long term users and are in no way less entitled to use their passes.

Please explain how all these long term invalidity and disability users of free travel passes are in any way "Hooky" or how their passes are in any way invalid? If you bring what you have shown here to work as a bus driver I would not be surprised at legitimate pass holders becoming disgruntled and irate with your attitude towards them.

Hilly Bill

Relax Foggy, he is on about the bogey pass users not the long term legit ones .

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

There are many passes held legitimately by people who are not of pensionable age, these are all long term users and are in no way less entitled to use their passes.

Please explain how all these long term invalidity and disability users of free travel passes are in any way "Hooky" or how their passes are in any way invalid? If you bring what you have shown here to work as a bus driver I would not be surprised at legitimate pass holders becoming disgruntled and irate with your attitude towards them.

Perhaps it's worth repeating then,just for clarity....;)

.....It's the long-term users of "Hooky" or otherwise Invalid passes who are going to be VERY disgruntled and perhaps react accordingly.

Long Term users of Hooky,or otherwise Invalid passes...See what I just did there..?

ANY DSP Free Pass held legitimately is not in ANY way affected by this "attitude" you attempt to ascribe to myself or other Drivers/TicketCheckers...why on earth would anybody choose to to suggest this ?

The new DSP Card,and the changes in it's method of operation is already resulting in a heightened awareness amongst the LEGITIMATE DSP customers,and will in short order flush out the significant number of "Hooky" or otherwise INVALID users of Free Passes,many of whom have been using these documents with impunity for years,thanks to the decrepit and unmonitorable nature of the Document itself.

What IS now occuring with the New DSP FT Card is the introduction of a very high standard of Identity Verification and the inclusion of an expiry-date on the new FT Card.

These elements,of themselves,will significantly thin-out the ranks of Free Pass users,and it is these "thinnings" who,I repeat, most certainly will be Disgruntled and Irate...something which I would have thought would have given LEGITIMATE Free Pass holders some cheer ?

I fail to understand how ANY legitimate DSP Free Passs holder could NOT support the introduction of the new FT Cards,and their more robust operation method,unless they have some,as yet undeclared, agenda

Fred Swanson

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foggy_lad

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I have seen quite a few older passengers of pension age with the new cards and several had the new card in the plastic wallet with the old card. There should be a swap old for new when the new card is collected from the local SW office.

Fred Swanson

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foggy_lad

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Why not kill two birds with one stone and make the pass holders collect from their local post office by handing in the old pass, make sure that the old passes are out of circulation for good.

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

Why not kill two birds with one stone and make the pass holders collect from their local post office by handing in the old pass, make sure that the old passes are out of circulation for good.

Incredibly enough Foggy,this was the method preferred by the CIE group,however the DSFP,in it's wisdom declined to implement this.

In a second attempt to regularize this "Father Ted" Like situation,whereby a valid document with NO expiry date continues to be held along with an equally valid new one WITH an expiry date,the CIE companies have attempted to convince the DSFP to allow the CIE companies to act as surrender agents for the collection of old FT documents...as yet however no white-smoke from the DSFP...:(

With the DSFP adamant that NO Cut-Off date is currently envisaged beyond which Old-FT documents will NOT be accepted,we now have a pefect storm situation,which at it's worst could DOUBLE the numbers of "Valid-Invalid" (A new & uniquely Irish definition) Free Passes remaining in circulation.

AlekSmart

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The problem Fred,is that bolded line.

The "Demand",needs to be made in advance of the issue of the new document,with a clear end-of date then agreed for the Old FT Pass.

As it currently stands there is little,if any,actual impetus to return the old (and still VALID) document.

In addition,it is worth clarifying,that not ALL of the new FT Cards are simply being posted out,a proportion new FT Card recipients have to present themselves to a specific DSFP Office to undergo the ID Verifciation process.

Whether this proportion is to increase I cannot say,but I suspect the end-game of the Chipped Card programme is a 100% Verified Identity ?

Fred Swanson

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Hilly Bill

foggy_lad wrote: »

Why not kill two birds with one stone and make the pass holders collect from their local post office by handing in the old pass, make sure that the old passes are out of circulation for good.

They should have handed in the old one when getting their pic taken for the new one. A week or 2 without one wont do any harm.

Morf

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They should have handed in the old one when getting their pic taken for the new one. A week or 2 without one wont do any harm.

Ummm. That's not really a fair assumption to make. For some people I'm sure it would be a hardship to do without for that period.

AlekSmart

Morf wrote: »

Ummm. That's not really a fair assumption to make. For some people I'm sure it would be a hardship to do without for that period.

As ever,the issue for the State,is whether a small level of inconvenience for "some" customers should effectively prevent it from implementing a significant improvement to the systems administration,for the benefit of ALL.

Hilly Bill

Morf wrote: »

Ummm. That's not really a fair assumption to make. For some people I'm sure it would be a hardship to do without for that period.

In what way? having to pay? where is the hardship in that seeing that they would have been free for the rest of the year?

Fred Swanson

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Hilly Bill

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Thats a bit dramatic Fred.