Thurs 20th Feb; 2 part Irish Aviation Programme

islanderre

Evening all,

This Thursday a new 2 part documentary starts on RTE 1 @ 22:25Hrs called 'A Century of Irish Aviation, Pioneers and Aviators'.

Could be worth a watch or recording....

Peregrine

Looks very interesting, thanks for the heads up

http://pioneersandaviators.avolon.aero/

Looks like Avolon commissioned this.

http://www.avolon.aero/pressrelease/2014/pressRelease_pioneerAndAviators.htm

There's a video of a Morning Edition interview in that link. Some great footage in the trailer.

crosstownk

Looks interesting. Series linked!

robclay26

missed the first one, anybody know where it can been viewed?

Roblestone

robclay26 wrote: »

missed the first one, anybody know where it can been viewed?

"2-part" not 'part-2', I think this is the first of the two parts.

Peregrine

robclay26 wrote: »

missed the first one, anybody know where it can been viewed?

It hasn't been broadcasted yet. Part one is on this Thursday and part two is on next Thursday.

robclay26

Thanks! I seen online something that it was on last week. Anyway, didn;t miss it and thats the main thing!

Peregrine

BUMP

5 minutes.

amdublin

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Lapin

Is there anyone who didn't smoke in the 1920s ?

Lapin

Starting to veer off down nostalgia lane now.

Happyman42

Thought it would be a bit more in-depth, had a whiff of a tourism PR film.

Zonda999

Happyman42 wrote: »

Thought it would be a bit more in-depth, had a whiff of a tourism PR film.

These things always do. Some nice footage in it at the same time!

EI-DOR

Some nice footage indeed. The next episode should be interesting talking about Tony Ryan!

Happyman42

EI-DOR wrote: »

Some nice footage indeed.

I can get that on youtube.

The next episode should be interesting talking about Tony Ryan!

I doubt we'll get much more than awe tbh. Pity, I was expecting more from this. Music was good.

View Profile

Nice footage of some old twin prop doing a low level fly-by of what looks like the Baily Lighthouse!

EchoIndia

View Profile wrote: »

Nice footage of some old twin prop doing a low level fly-by of what looks like the Baily Lighthouse!

That was an Air Corps Avro Anson.

Oscar Bravo

BUMP! Part 2 on the way

EI-DOR

Have to say I enjoyed part 2!

Katunga

part two was fantastic. Makes you happy to be working in the aviation industry in ireland.

Stovepipe

Saw part 2 tonight. A friend involved in it tipped me off a few weeks ago about it, warned me that it was a shoulder-patting exercise and he was dead right. A puff piece for Avalon and the alleged greats of the leasing industry. All they were missing was a clip of Riverdance....

regards
Stovepipe

Patrickheg

Stovepipe wrote: »

Saw part 2 tonight. A friend involved in it tipped me off a few weeks ago about it, warned me that it was a shoulder-patting exercise and he was dead right. A puff piece for Avalon and the alleged greats of the leasing industry. All they were missing was a clip of Riverdance....

regards
Stovepipe

And what's wrong with that? Can we not be proud of something we are genuinely good at rather than begrudging someone else's success?

Tbh very little about Avalon in it either other than a few seconds of their head quarters and interviews with one (or two) of their staff. 90% of the programme was about Tony Ryan and what he did for Ireland produced in a very respectful and professional manner. Does he not deserve that?

EI-DOR

Indeed, well said Patrick!

Stovepipe

I've no problem with lauding those who improve Irish aviation and have done so in the past and coincidentally, will be nominating two deserving individuals for award under the IAA's latest initiative (have a look at their website). What annoys me is that this programme purported to be a history of Irish aviation yet turned out to be a self-congratulatory piece about Tony Ryan, GPA and it's upper echelons. I've no problem with anyone doing a piece about Tony Ryan (the man is worthy of it) and his acolytes but the programme makers are guilty of false advertising, if nothing else. There's lots of genuine Irish aviation history out there and many stories yet to be told but a flatulent, self-aggrandising show like that is not the way to do it.

regards
Stovepipe

Storm 10

Stovepipe wrote: »

regards
What annoys me is that this programme purported to be a history of Irish aviation yet turned out to be a self-congratulatory piece about Tony Ryan, GPA and it's upper echelons.
Stovepipe

Have to agree on this, I also thought it was a history of Aviation in Ireland and not having part 2 all about one man, how much did they show about Cork Airport etc and never mentioned the KLM Crash off Galway that took off from Shannon, if they mentioned it I did not see it.

Katunga

I wish it had more on aircraft maintenance. the didn't event show shannon Aerospace it was showing the inside of Dublin aerospace.

Stovepipe

@katunga, absolutely true. The history of aircraft maintenance in Ireland goes back to the founding of the State. The Air Corps and Lingus kicked it off and every other maintenance firm evolved from them. At one time,in the recent past, this country could overhaul literally every part of an aircraft and in the case of Lingus/TEAM/SRT/FLS and the Shannon companies, often brought aircraft back from potential dereliction. Some aircraft were rebuilt from the belly button up! In fact, the only thing we as a country didn't do, was build airframes, which we could easily have done.There was a great talent pool and many, many engineers went on to train many thousands of foreign engineers (and pilots) for foreign airlines. A lot of the talent is now gone, either by retirement or moved abroad or because such deep maintenance is dying out in Ireland, which is a tremendous pity as it is always a great revenue maker. If only some film maker could make a genuine programme about aircraft maintenance in Ireland......

regards
Stovepipe

Katunga

One of the best maintenance facilities in the world is an Irish one to this day. People still come from all over the world to work in Shannon aerospace because it's one of the best maintenance facilities to work in. Even though other maintenance facilities are cheaper Shannon is very busy because of the high quality of the check carried out compared to other facilities and good time record.
Team Aer lingus was the best maintenance facility in the world they could carry out repairs that nobody else could do. I know the often came up with mods to solve problems then the design was used by Boeing.

dubdaymo

At long last it was good to see being aired on national TV the corruption involved in the outrageous attempts by Aer Lingus in cahoots with the Government to stop Ryanair in its tracks. Thankfully, they didn't succeed. This evening we should all raise our glasses to Tony Ryan and Séamus Brennan.

Suasdaguna1

Not a mention pearse cahill or capt kennedy (darby), both pioneers in many ways re irish avaition and history. I note the bold michael stayed well clear of the interviews.

I suppose if Avalon were funding the programme they'll be getting the exposure.

Pat Dunne

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

Not a mention pearse cahill or capt kennedy (darby), both pioneers in many ways re irish avaition and history. I note the bold michael stayed well clear of the interviews.

I suppose if Avalon were funding the programme they'll be getting the exposure.

Pearse Cahill did get a mention in the frist prog.

A320

Katunga wrote: »

I wish it had more on aircraft maintenance. the didn't event show shannon Aerospace it was showing the inside of Dublin aerospace.

That was transaero

A320

Katunga wrote: »

I wish it had more on aircraft maintenance. the didn't event show shannon Aerospace it was showing the inside of Dublin aerospace.

That was transaero

Jimmy444

dubdaymo wrote: »

At long last it was good to see being aired on national TV the corruption involved in the outrageous attempts by Aer Lingus in cahoots with the Government to stop Ryanair in its tracks. Thankfully, they didn't succeed. This evening we should all raise our glasses to Tony Ryan and Séamus Brennan.

Agreed. It’s good to be reminded what a corrupt mess the whole European governments/state airlines cartel was back then. In today’s world it’s shocking to hear that state taxpayer-supported airlines from one country were literally bribing airlines of other countries to stay out of their patch. And that the law supported the fare cartels with threats of fines and prison for airlines offering a lower fare than the state airline. (A fine of £100,000 and/or imprisonment for 2 years if you discounted the fare by £1 below that agreed between the Department and Aer Lingus according to Des O’Malley).

I remember when Ryanair first opened their route from the UK to Cork. The powers that be mandated that they must first land at Dublin, so for a while they had to fly from London to Dublin and do a touch-and-go there before continuing on to Cork just to satisfy the ruling. So the government of the state was both hobbling a private airline for daring to compete against the state company and inconveniencing the passengers with an unnecessary diversion. Madness.

And how about the way our own Department of Transport carried on with Willie Walsh: "Why don’t you go off and play a game of golf like any other airline boss instead of working so hard". In my head I translated this as the civil service way of saying "F-off like a good lad and let us run the airline as we and our political masters see fit". No wonder he quit and went off to run BA instead.

We may grumble about baggage charges and the like today but thankfully we have moved on from the abuse the punters and new airlines suffered at the hands of governments and national airlines protecting the turf of the privileged.