Fine for putting your feet on the seats - Irish Rail?

_Chaos

Anyone heard of this?
I've been told that it's a €50 fine by one person, and a €70 fine by someone else, but I can't find any literature / notifications from Irish Rail?
Just wondering if there's any truth at all in it...

Dravokivich

They've notices up within their trains about it.

_Chaos

Dravokivich wrote: »

They've notices up within their trains about it.

Yeah, I've seen the little stickers saying not to put your feet on the seats, and it's announced coming/leaving each station (usually) but I've heard nothing of a fine for doing so....

mackerski

_Chaos wrote: »

Anyone heard of this?
I've been told that it's a €50 fine by one person, and a €70 fine by someone else, but I can't find any literature / notifications from Irish Rail?
Just wondering if there's any truth at all in it...

Maybe €50 is the reduced rate per offence if you do it 5 or more times.

Me, I just keep my feet on the floor. Who wants to sit on whatever's been on the ground?

calfmuscle

mackerski wrote: »

Who wants to sit on whatever's been on the ground?

Probably people who sit on the ground. . . .

Dravokivich

_Chaos wrote: »

Yeah, I've seen the little stickers saying not to put your feet on the seats, and it's announced coming/leaving each station (usually) but I've heard nothing of a fine for doing so....

They started putting new ones up with information relating to fines as opposed to the courtesy stickers up previous.

No Pants

_Chaos wrote: »

Anyone heard of this?
I've been told that it's a €50 fine by one person, and a €70 fine by someone else, but I can't find any literature / notifications from Irish Rail?
Just wondering if there's any truth at all in it...

Should be a 2lbs hammer to the kneecap, but I suppose a fine will do. It's only scruffs that put their feet on seats.

Wichita Lineman

The way it is lately it's hard to get your bum on a seat never mind your feet. Maybe we should fine Irish Rail if we have to put our bum on the floor rather than a seat!

Jamie2k9

50 is the cost AFAIK.

Victor

Andy Dunne11 wrote: »

The way it is lately it's hard to get your bum on a seat never mind your feet. Maybe we should fine Irish Rail if we have to put our bum on the floor rather than a seat!

Let's stay on topic please.

Moderator

monument

mackerski wrote: »

Me, I just keep my feet on the floor. Who wants to sit on whatever's been on the ground?

Who wants to put their clean shoes near where somebody's bum has just been?

_Chaos

Dravokivich wrote: »

They started putting new ones up with information relating to fines as opposed to the courtesy stickers up previous.

Oh okay, any chance of the next time you see one, snapping a quick pic?
I'm just wondering how it'd hold up (getting the fine) if there isn't any notices around....I get the Sligo-Dublin train twice/more a week and still haven't seen any!

mackerski

_Chaos wrote: »

Oh okay, any chance of the next time you see one, snapping a quick pic?
I'm just wondering how it'd hold up (getting the fine) if there isn't any notices around....I get the Sligo-Dublin train twice/more a week and still haven't seen any!

Not really fair on people who don't know they shouldn't put their mucky boots on the seats? There's lots of stuff you can be fined for on trains where there isn't a sticker warning you of it.

Mountjoy Mugger

Where are the bye-laws? I can't see any link on IR's site.

No Pants

mackerski wrote: »

Not really fair on people who don't know they shouldn't put their mucky boots on the seats? There's lots of stuff you can be fined for on trains where there isn't a sticker warning you of it.

Seriously? Anyone who doesn't know that this is how they're supposed to behave should be made travel by cattle wagon.

Victor

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

Where are the bye-laws? I can't see any link on IR's site.

Google took me 15 seconds to find them www.irishrail.ie/media/CompleteCIEBye-Laws1.pdf‎

gbob

Victor wrote: »

Google took me 15 seconds to find them www.irishrail.ie/media/CompleteCIEBye-Laws1.pdf‎;

That link is giving a runtime error..


Try this...http://www.irishrail.ie/media/conditionsoftravel1.pdf?v=ge3dnca

Victor

gbob wrote: »

That link is giving a runtime error..

They have been making website changes.

Try this...http://www.irishrail.ie/media/conditionsoftravel1.pdf?v=ge3dnca

The conditions of travel are different to the bye-laws.

gbob

Victor wrote: »

They have been making website changes.

The conditions of travel are different to the bye-laws.

Just assumed the bye-laws may have been included there.

Greenmachine

They have had notices on train for as long as I can remember to this effect. They used to say "Seats are not for feet" , not sure what they say these days. It is months since I took a train.

gbob

Victor wrote: »

They have been making website changes.

The conditions of travel are different to the bye-laws.

Ok this is S.I. 109/1984 which details CIE bye-laws, parts of it may have been updated since but....

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1984/en/si/0109.html

foggy_lad

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1984/en/si/0109.html

30. No person shall while travelling in any vehicle on the railway place or rest his or her feet upon any seat except with the permission of an authorised person.

2. (1) All the provisions of these Bye-Laws, except Bye-Laws numbered 3, 4 and 5, shall be penal provisions the contravention of which under subsection 4 of section 22 of the Transport Act, 1950 is an offence in respect of which a person is liable thereunder to a fine not exceeding ten pounds.


(2) Any person offending against any of the following Bye-Laws numbered, 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17, 20, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and 35 and failing to desist or quit, or failing to comply with the Bye-Law as the case may be, when requested so to do by an authorised person may be removed from the railway or any part thereof or any lift or vehicle by an authorised person without prejudice, where any penalty is prescribed as aforesaid for the contravention of any such Bye-Law, to such penalty.

Mountjoy Mugger

So, their current bye-laws aren't generally available to view.

Lapin

I wonder what they could say if you had a bag or newspaper placed under your feet thus keeping the seat clean?

Stretching the legs while respecting the furniture can't be any harm on a quiet train?

Victor

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

So, their current bye-laws aren't generally available to view.

They are on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1984/en/si/0109.html

howiya

Victor wrote: »

They are on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1984/en/si/0109.html

But not on their own website it would seem. Pretty poor form

mackerski

howiya wrote: »

But not on their own website it would seem. Pretty poor form

I still don't get the indignation. Did you think it would be allowed?

No Pants

mackerski wrote: »

I still don't get the indignation. Did you think it would be allowed?

Indeed. The same way that if you visit someone's house and if they don't specifically say that you can't put your feet on their sofa, then it's okay.

Wichita Lineman

There was a window sticker re the €50 fine on my train yesterday but a girl I spotted definitely had her legs up and she apparently got away with it :eek:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

btw I agree you shouldnt be allowed to or need to put your feet up on the seats, I'm not sure if it will be enforced thats all.

kingshankly

Have never heard of anyone getting fined for putting feet on seats

foggy_lad

Andy Dunne11 wrote: »

There was a window sticker re the €50 fine on my train yesterday but a girl I spotted definitely had her legs up and she apparently got away with it :eek:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

btw I agree you shouldnt be allowed to or need to put your feet up on the seats, I'm not sure if it will be enforced thats all.

Reservations are not enforced so this is hardly going to be a priority unless they can turn it into a money spinner.

Hilly Bill

Andy Dunne11 wrote: »

There was a window sticker re the €50 fine on my train yesterday but a girl I spotted definitely had her legs up and she apparently got away with it :eek:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

btw I agree you shouldnt be allowed to or need to put your feet up on the seats, I'm not sure if it will be enforced thats all.

Ive seen many girls with their legs up and i didnt complain .

How did she get away with it? Just nobody saw her or was she seen by a checker and nothing was said?
Id be suprised if anyone gets fined to be honest and a simple "put your feet down" from a checker should be enough if caught.

foggy_lad

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Andy Dunne11 wrote: »

There was a window sticker re the €50 fine on my train yesterday but a girl I spotted definitely had her legs up and she apparently got away with it :eek:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

btw I agree you shouldnt be allowed to or need to put your feet up on the seats, I'm not sure if it will be enforced thats all.

Ive seen many girls with their legs up and i didnt complain .

How did she get away with it? Just nobody saw her or was she seen by a checker and nothing was said?
Id be suprised if anyone gets fined to be honest and a simple "put your feet down" from a checker should be enough if caught.

I usually tell people to put their dirty feet down whenever I see feet on seats on trains. Most offenders are 14-28 years old, usually second or third level students or going to or from work. They appear to be reasonably well heeled but have no real respect for the world around them as if it only exists to serve their needs. Then told to get their dirty feet off the seats there is usually a hurried "sorry" followed by a "spoilt brat" type scowl and I can see that the person is not happy being told what to do even when they are in the wrong!

I have only once seen an Irish rail employee tell some people to get their bags and feet off the seats and with cuts in staff numbers and most trains now operating without staff this rule will never be enforced in any meaningful way unless the ticket checkers and RPU staff are to start fining people.

whisky_galore

Andy Dunne11 wrote: »

There was a window sticker re the €50 fine on my train yesterday but a girl I spotted definitely had her legs up and she apparently got away with it :eek:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

btw I agree you shouldnt be allowed to or need to put your feet up on the seats, I'm not sure if it will be enforced thats all.

It's not enforced, maybe if it were it would put manners on people, any staff other than RPU/train hosts are unlikely to say anything as it's not their job.

It's usually the Celtic Tiger cubs that are the culprits, spotted a bunch of inebriate cubs one evening taking pics of each other whilst climbing on and lying on the luggage racks. Pity it was such a robust structure, would have been fun to see it crashing to earth.

No Pants

whisky_galore wrote: »

spotted a bunch of inebriate cubs one evening taking pics of each other whilst climbing on and lying on the luggage racks. Pity it was such a robust structure, would have been fun to see it crashing to earth.

Would have been swiftly followed by a claim to Irish Rail. Just as well there was a witness to their actual behaviour.

MDFM

No Pants wrote: »

Would have been swiftly followed by a claim to Irish Rail. Just as well there was a witness to their actual behaviour.

Surely any such claim would be thrown back in the bin? Witness or no witnesses, aren't there ample cctv camera's on carriages now to catch such acts?

hfallada

I have seen Germans shout a people who put their feet up on the seats of a train. Germans also aren't told to eat on public transport. Which is something I would like here. I'm sick finding banana peels and crisp packets down the side of seats

whisky_galore

hfallada wrote: »

I have seen Germans shout a people who put their feet up on the seats of a train. Germans also aren't told to eat on public transport. Which is something I would like here. I'm sick finding banana peels and crisp packets down the side of seats

That's the only way it could be enforced, like smoking in places you shouldn't, social disapproval.
People here don't have the guts or, more likely, couldn't be bothered telling others what to do with their feet or their food wrappers and don't get me started on the fad of 'sharing' music with tinny pound shop speakers with everyone on the train.

Eoin247

Anyone notice how the pre-recorded voice tells you not to put your feet on the seats on Irish rail? Says it once in a calm voice and once the full recording is over says it again in a sudden angry voice.

No Pants

MDFM wrote: »

Surely any such claim would be thrown back in the bin? Witness or no witnesses, aren't there ample cctv camera's on carriages now to catch such acts?

Good point. I'll leave it to others to confirm that there are cameras on every carriage in service though.

bikeman1

Here is a photo of the notice posted on some DARTs and 29000s Commuters.

It doesn't seem to bother some people, as they put their feet up still, despite this warning.

whisky_galore

bikeman1 wrote: »

Here is a photo of the notice posted on some DARTs and 29000s Commuters.

It doesn't seem to bother some people, as they put their feet up still, despite this warning.

We have folks who think it's OK to shove half eaten food between the seat cushions, stick chewing gum under tables, scratch their initials on the windows, leave their dog sh!t on the pavements, throw crap out of car windows and leave black bags at the side of the road. Welcome to the Republic of I don't give a fcuk.:mad:

_Chaos

bikeman1 wrote: »

Here is a photo of the notice posted on some DARTs and 29000s Commuters.

It doesn't seem to bother some people, as they put their feet up still, despite this warning.

Strange they don't have this on all commuters, I'm on the Sligo - Dublin route at least twice a week and have yet to spot one of these stickers directly referencing the fine!
They're dead right though, I don't know how many times I've had to ask someone to move their feet so I could sit down!

I'm just wondering how this would hold up - If you were genuinely unaware of the fine, could you appeal it? I know it shouldn't happen anyway, but if there's no signs around the place to warn you.....

Losty Dublin

_Chaos wrote: »

I'm just wondering how this would hold up - If you were genuinely unaware of the fine, could you appeal it? I know it shouldn't happen anyway, but if there's no signs around the place to warn you.....

Ignorance of a law rarely ever works as a defence. An appeal on that basis won't get you very far. That aside and law or no law, common sense alone should tell you not to put your feet up on seats.

gbob

This thread made me think twice about turning a blind eye to people having their feet up on my bus, and now at least once a day I ask a teenage girl to take their feet down, usually I get an "oh sorry" response but occasionally they become quite indignant and throw dirty looks at you. But nobody wants to experience what was posted in here a couple of days ago re feces on the seat.

Sorry for the slightly off topic, but a worthwhile thread.

Eoin247

I took the Dublin Sligo train yesterday and was surprised to see a fair few people around with their feet on the seats as i boarded in Connolly. For those unfamiliar with it, it's usually very busy for the first leg of the journey. So a very ignorant thing to do, especially as there is a pre-recorded voice continuously reminding you to take your feet off the seat.

No Pants

_Chaos wrote: »

Strange they don't have this on all commuters, I'm on the Sligo - Dublin route at least twice a week and have yet to spot one of these stickers directly referencing the fine!
They're dead right though, I don't know how many times I've had to ask someone to move their feet so I could sit down!

I'm just wondering how this would hold up - If you were genuinely unaware of the fine, could you appeal it? I know it shouldn't happen anyway, but if there's no signs around the place to warn you.....

I'm sure there's no sign in your living room. That doesn't mean that I could call round and put my feet up on your sofa.

Wichita Lineman

^
Well you could try it and then appeal the ass kicking you get on the basis that there was inadequate signage.

Not quite as rude but in a similar vein are the people who leave bags on seats on a train that is clearly going to be packed to capacity and beyond. A woman I asked to move her bags the other morning seemed quite surprised that I would prefer to sit rather than stand and let her handbag have a more comfortable journey. :rolleyes: