Relief from a path

billy3sheets

I've encountered the issue of needing to take relief from a path several times recently, both myself and playing partners. There is always debate over the correct way to do it. I found this video explains the procedure and the options really well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tqz8FYFfIM

DuckSlice

billy3sheets wrote: »

I've encountered the issue of needing to take relief from a path several times recently, both myself and playing partners. There is always debate over the correct way to do it. I found this video explains the procedure and the options really well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tqz8FYFfIM

That's quite a long video for a simple drop. You have to be careful taking relief from paths as a lot of courses declare them as integral parts of the course and you are not entitled to relief.

billy3sheets

etxp wrote: »

That's quite a long video for a simple drop.

Hmmm. Not always simple based on what I've witnessed recently. Especially the "taking relief part" - many golfers seem to think it's the nearest point off the path. Not many know that you have a club length after finding the nearest relief point.

Even in an incident today today, the nearest point not nearest the hole would have been OOB on the far side of the path, hence could not be availed of, so relief had to be taken on the side nearer the hole but moved away from the line so that it was not nearer the hole.

SnowDrifts

billy3sheets wrote: »

Even in an incident today today, the nearest point not nearest the hole would have been OOB on the far side of the path, hence could not be availed of, so relief had to be taken on the side nearer the hole but moved away from the line so that it was not nearer the hole.

Then it was never the nearest point of relief to begin with.


Also... the guy in the video is completely wrong in suggesting you can put spin on the ball when dropping it. You can not.

sawdoubters

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/rule-book-breach-proves-costly-for-mcilroy-1.1660933

DuckSlice

billy3sheets wrote: »

Hmmm. Not always simple based on what I've witnessed recently. Especially the "taking relief part" - many golfers seem to think it's the nearest point off the path. Not many know that you have a club length after finding the nearest relief point.

Even in an incident today today, the nearest point not nearest the hole would have been OOB on the far side of the path, hence could not be availed of, so relief had to be taken on the side nearer the hole but moved away from the line so that it was not nearer the hole.

It's pretty simple. You find your nearest point of relief then you can drop it within a club length of that point not nearer the hole

GreeBo

Worth mentioning that its the nearest point of relief from where the ball currently is, rather than the edge of the path etc.

So it can be a different result depending on if you are left or right handed

Also, you are not entitled to relief from anything other than the original condition, which you must take full relief from.

i.e.
No logic like "sure if I drop there I'm stuck behind a tree!"

Rikand

Yep if your nearest point of relief is a bush, you drop in the bush or play from your original position

A New earth

When you are dropping the ball within 1 club lenght from NPR, does the 1 club lenght stretch back as well as out i.e. do you have a square with the 2 tees you placed as the front line of the square?

SnowDrifts

Yes, it can go back also. Just as long as it's not closer to the hole than the nearest point of relief or original position of the ball.

Also.. one of the most broken rules in golf.... your ball can roll up to a further 2 club lengths from where it first strikes the ground (provided this is inside your 1 club length from NPR). So technically, your ball can finish up to 3 club lengths from your nearest point of relief and still be in play.

Norfolk Enchants_

A New earth wrote: »

When you are dropping the ball within 1 club lenght from NPR, does the 1 club lenght stretch back as well as out i.e. do you have a square with the 2 tees you placed as the front line of the square?

No you don't have a square shape from the NPR, it's a 1/4 circle shape like in this diagram.

A New earth

Oh thanks, so its radius of a club moving from NPR right around, makes sense in that each point is a club lenght from NPR.

billy3sheets

ok, suppose that in this diagram, the hole is to the left and the ball is at B1 such that P1 is nearer the hole.
Where then is relief to be taken?

A New earth

Seems like you were hitting across the road so if hole is to the left the nearest point of relief would be back across the road on the right of the diagram. So straight back, above and right of the footprints, which would now face left towards the hole. Radius of the club lenght shown on the right would therefore move up & left a bit.

billy3sheets

Well, lets say the direction of play is as indicated but the hole is top-left. Ball rolled off fairway onto path.

Would the NPR not still be P1 but ball dropped back a bit so it was not nearer the hole?
Rule says "but not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief ".

A New earth

If hole was top left, nearest point of relief P1 on diagram would be just a bit lower down from where it is now. It would also be a bit left of the P1 that is there now so you would not be caught by the side of the road with your swing.

Rikand

For proper use on ball dropping, one should ALWAYS consult tiger woods

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html

SnowDrifts

Rikand wrote: »

For proper use on ball dropping, one should ALWAYS consult tiger woods

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html

You really tried to force that one into this thread. A rubbish article at best.

Wittenberg saw the shot and agreed with Tiger on point of entry- "I saw it perfectly off the tee," he said. "I told him exactly where I thought it crossed, and we all agreed, so he's definitely great on that ... There is no doubt, guys. The ball crossed where he dropped." End of story.

Rikand

SnowDrifts wrote: »

You really tried to force that one into this thread. A rubbish article at best.

Wittenberg saw the shot and agreed with Tiger on point of entry- "I saw it perfectly off the tee," he said. "I told him exactly where I thought it crossed, and we all agreed, so he's definitely great on that ... There is no doubt, guys. The ball crossed where he dropped." End of story.

I tried to make a joke post actually - note the smiley face ?

edit to add

i could have used any number of articles, but on a quick search of " tiger woods sawgrass drop " it was one of the first up with a video on it.

good game on your tiger defense and massive over reaction though.

SnowDrifts

Rikand wrote: »

good game on your tiger defense and massive over reaction though.

Yeah I just enjoy ripping articles like that apart from "journalists" who don't understand the rules. But as you say yourself, your post was a joke so I guess we can get back on topic...

GreeBo

If you guys could take your

somewhere else,
that'd be great.