first shot gun

wexshot

Hi all just looking for advice after reading some threads here I think I've come the right place, I'm considering purchasing my first shotgun mostly for pheasants and ducks what could expect to pick up for around 400-500 euro, maybe o/u as I had a shot with one already, I've seen some yildiz gun for around this price

djflawless

many a lad will tell you to go for this gun or that gun from personal experiences.
me personally, id say lanber or mistral as these are the guns i felt were brilliant guns to use for all purpose shooting, so its merely a case of getting a gun that is known for reliability, but at the same time, it should be a gun that fits you.
ive fired from numerous shotguns, including a berretta silver pigeon, which for me is expensive, but didnt suit me at all.

as far as yildiz are concerned, in my experience of friends shotguns, they can have problems with relapse springs.i think its because they are such a light gun and recoil is kinda heavy on them



but as i opened with, if the shoe fits...

Double Barrel

Hi Wexshot
Welcome aboard

Do you mind answering a few questions?
Age
Height
Weight
What is your experience with guns?

Your answers will help us determine your course of enquire.

TriggerPL

Don't touch yildiz there a bag of problems ,

That sort of money beakel " spelt wrong" are bullet proof , bit heavy mayb but that up to u , lamber , the webley and Scott , there is great value in second hand shotguns at the moment

Invincible

TriggerPL wrote: »

Don't touch yildiz there a bag of problems ,

That sort of money baikel are bullet proof , bit heavy maybe but that up to u , lanber , the Wembley and Scott , there is great value in second hand shotguns at the moment

Fixed it for ya

Jonty

Invincible wrote: »

Fixed it for ya

No it's Baikal

Lord Jesus I have to do everything around here:)

TriggerPL

Jonty wrote: »

No it's Baikal

Lord Jesus I have to do everything around here:)

Hahahahahahaha ! Just realised both of you have no life !! :-)

dodderangler

TriggerPL wrote: »

Hahahahahahaha ! Just realised both of you have no life !! :-)

It's beagle. He wants a dog

wexshot

Double Barrel wrote: »

Hi Wexshot
Welcome aboard

Do you mind answering a few questions?
Age
Height
Weight
What is your experience with guns?

Your answers will help us determine your course of enquire.

my experience is very limited, few shots really caught a bug for it tough, I'm 30, six foot and 15 stone on the dot

One shot on kill

Welcome to the asylum pal.


I wouldn't touch a yildiz. Shop around a few different shops try out loads of guns cheap expensive everything this will give you a good feel for what fits you etc.

I had a baikel o/u for 10 years and not a bother on it. Only one problem was I had to tighten the nut in the stock once.

I now have a lanber semi and it's also a great gun. No trouble with it yet anyway and it's running like a dream. Baikel was a little bit heavy but very manageable all the same. I feel I'm well able to point and shoot the lanber more so.

It's up to you what you buy but don't rush it for your own sake.

I hope I don't end up in the middle of the spelling competion

One shot on kill

Also maybe look into gun clubs and or a dog. By right you real should have a dog for pheasants and duck. Not that you have to have one but there as important as your gun sometimes. Hard to hunt pheasant with out one.

wexshot

One shot on kill wrote: »

Also maybe look into gun clubs and or a dog. By right you real should have a dog for pheasants and duck. Not that you have to have one but there as important as your gun sometimes. Hard to hunt pheasant with out one.

was thinking about a dog but don't want to rush into it yet, I know a few lads with dogs so I could go with them,

One shot on kill

Ah well your sorted so. That exactly what I'd do. And then get a mut if it suits.

There is noting worse than walking the fields day in and day out with no dog and not even seeing **** all.

wexshot

would the Baikal IZH 27 12g be a reasonable investment

One shot on kill

Its a lovely looking gun. But I have no real info on that model myself.

Haven said that any gun you pick up that is comfortable and goes straight to your shoulder and also is reliable is an investment.

ace86

I had a bakial as a 1st gun at 18 as the guys said heavy but reliable it had a double triggers though and I sold it 2 my mate and he sold on to his brother in law and its still going no hassle. I had a lanber 28" game gun selector switch,single trigger great gun nice and light to carry and gave no problems for the time I had it. If you are buying a gun of any sort go for a selector switch and single trigger it's very handy.

One shot on kill

Ye single trigger is the job. Don't forget ejecters. And as far as chokes go its more to flute about with and figure out. So more shooting happy days.

TriggerPL

My first gun was a lamber game gun I bought it at 16 or 17 , sold it to my uncle about 6 years ago and it's still going strong , sorry I ever sold it , was the best hitting gun I ever had . Cost 450 pounds at the time

Double Barrel

Hi Wexshot

Half the fun is in the search for a gun that suits you.
Take your time and you will find a gun that fits you, meets your budget and has eye appeal. Handle and shoulder as many as you want and given the opportunity ... shoot them.

A Birmingham boxlock is a work of art as is a gun produced in Belgium or Dublin, France, Germany, Italy, Scotland or Spain just to name a few of the great gun making centres.

A new gun or a previously used gun, ..... It is a buyers market.
Enjoy the hunt

skipking

buy a baikal or lanber minstral yilditz will kick like a mule loads of good second hand guns out there
get one that fits you gun should come to your eye not your eye to the gun best of luck

wexshot

skipking wrote: »

buy a baikal or lanber minstral yilditz will kick like a mule loads of good second hand guns out there
get one that fits you gun should come to your eye not your eye to the gun best of luck

any suggestions on second hand makes to look out for

Double Barrel

Wexshot
What part of the country do you call home?

Many SXS sport double triggers while most UO's have single selective triggers.



UK makers: Bonehill, BSA, Cogswell & Harrison, Greener, Midland, Pape, Playfair, GR & GE Lewis, E.M. Reilly, Tolley, there are mannnny more.

Belgium: FN Fabrique National of Leige.

German (Suhl): Heym, Merkel, J P Sauer

Italy: Beretta, Bettinsoli,, FAIR (Fausti)

Spain: AyA, Arrieta y Cia, Ugartechea, Zabala

Japan: Miroku

Enough to get you started

wexshot

Double Barrel wrote: »

Wexshot
What part of the country do you call home?

UK makers: Bonehill, BSA, Cogswell & Harrison, Greener, Midland, Pape, Playfair, GR & GE Lewis, E.M. Reilly, Tolley, there are mannnny more.

German (Suhl): Heym, Merkel, J P Sauer

Italy: Beretta, Bettinsoli,, FAIR (Fausti)

Spain: AyA, Arrieta y Cia, Ugartechea, Zabala

Japan: Miroku

Enough to get you started

in Wexford hope to get out this weekend for a look in a few shops if I can

Double Barrel

Pretty stupid of me re Wexford

BTW re triggers & extractors and ejectors.
An inescapable fact of double triggers is that the shooter truly has two guns in one. If one barrels fails, if one trigger or lock malfunctions, one need only to pull the other trigger. They are simpler in design, therefore making the gun lighter and more reliable. They are less prone to double-firing. In the hands of an experienced shooter they are faster. They allow immediate selection of which barrel to fire - the immediate selection of the pattern to throw - even while the quarry is flushing.

Extractors and ejectors may not be familiar terms to you. They are different ways that fixed breach (singles and doubles) shotguns deal with spent shell casings. Extractors lift the shells out of the chamber, making them easy to pluck out and dispose of.
Ejectors are spring loaded and not only extract the cases, but also throw them out and over your shoulder. Upland game hunters with pheasants and grouse as their quarry generally favor extractors, because hunters prefer not to trash up the field with spent shells and don’t want to bend down for them, and the chances of reloading and shooting again is nill. Ejectors are sometimes preferred by competition shooters, duck hunters and casual trap and sporting clays shooters, because they do need to reload quickly and can bend down and pick up the shells later.

TriggerPL

boards.ie/thread/2056922622/1/#post88804680

Could start here .

wexshot

TriggerPL wrote: »

boards.ie/thread/2056922622/1/#post88804680

Could start here .

is that a link its not working won't let me select it

TriggerPL

wexshot wrote: »

is that a link its not working won't let me select it

Yea don't know what happen there , if you go true the forsale section there a lanber for sale about four or five pages back

Glenbulldog

Call up to jack Kelly's in the faythe,p.carley in ballymurn or john lambert in camolin, it's a good day to browse cause it's too wet to do anything else,that way you can get a feel for guns and ask plenty of questions these lads would be more than willing to help best of luck

the scudd

for that money either a baikel or lanber

Nekarsulm

wexshot wrote: »

any suggestions on second hand makes to look out for

I had a side x side as my first gun. Gunmark were a collective of Spanish gun makers who sold throughout Ireland and England under that name, back in the 80's. They had Side locks, box locks etc. Mine was a "Sabel" boxlock, double trigger, non ejector. 28 inch barrels. etc. It was a great gun, totally reliable while I had it, which was about 10 years. If you come across any of these, I wouldn't be afraid of them. A gunsmith would perhaps be able to tell you which maker made them.

wexshot

Still haven't made it to the gunshop been busy hope to get in there in the next few week

wexshot

Anyone ever had a aya yoeman over and under multi choke 28 inch barrel seen one for 500 euro it looks like a decent gun to me but any opinions would be appreciated

Nekarsulm

Yeah, have one the last few years. Don't know the age, but probably 20 years old. I like it, fits me well. Multi chokes, single selective trigger, barrel is selected by a little cross shaft button built into the rear of the trigger. Ejectors. Mine is plain polished action, but some came with fancier engraving. There are some old threads on here about the Yeoman if you search.

Will stick up a few pics of mine later. €500 would be strong enough money for it, unless it's absolutely mint, I feel.

Nekarsulm

Here you go.

wexshot

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Yeah, have one the last few years. Don't know the age, but probably 20 years old. I like it, fits me well. Multi chokes, single selective trigger, barrel is selected by a little cross shaft button built into the rear of the trigger. Ejectors. Mine is plain polished action, but some came with fancier engraving. There are some old threads on here about the Yeoman if you search.

Will stick up a few pics of mine later. €500 would be strong enough money for it, unless it's absolutely mint, I feel.

how much would think it should be worth it is fairly clean and has the engraving, just out of interest because I'm going to see it again tomorrow evening and bringing my brother in law who knows more than me about gun and would be nice to have a figure in my head there might be room for negotiations

Nekarsulm

http://www.9mmlargo.com./year_codes.htm

If you can get it for about the 400 mark, It would be a good deal.
These were the entry level, or workman like AyA, as you will see by the machining marks on the barrels, although the action on mine is much more nicely finished, machining wise.
The link above gives the year dates, just in case the seller claims its a lot newer than it is. throwing up a picture of where the date code is on mine.
Mine is H2, which translates as 1988.
If it fits you nicely, and both ejectors work properly, and the selective trigger works correctly ( check using snap caps) then why not let your heart rule your head and buy it!
Are there any extra choke tubes with it, and the proper choke tube wrench?

wexshot

Nekarsulm wrote: »

http://www.9mmlargo.com./year_codes.htm

If you can get it for about the 400 mark, It would be a good deal.
These were the entry level, or workman like AyA, as you will see by the machining marks on the barrels, although the action on mine is much more nicely finished, machining wise.
The link above gives the year dates, just in case the seller claims its a lot newer than it is. throwing up a picture of where the date code is on mine.
Mine is H2, which translates as 1988.
If it fits you nicely, and both ejectors work properly, and the selective trigger works correctly ( check using snap caps) then why not let your heart rule your head and buy it!
Are there any extra choke tubes with it, and the proper choke tube wrench?

not sure if the chokes are with it just had a quick look I'll find tomorrow evening, thanks for the info nice to "armed" with a bit knowledge before I go back, might have another browse while I'm in the shop no real panic on me

Nekarsulm

Hope you can read this. Might have to enlarge it. UK price list, Jan 1984. The Yeoman O/U not listed, so probably only introduced later years. The coral O/U start at £888, which is £100 more expensive than the No2 S/S sidelock. While the Yeoman S/S ejector is listed at £288.75

wexshot

just out of curiosity would the chokes usually be sold with a m/c shotgun?

cookimonster

Most Multi-choke guns would come standard with 3 chokes, usually covering IC, Mod & Full. This selection is dependant on the style of gun weather trap, sporting / game. Other higher end guns may come with 4 even 5 covering more choices of choke or even providing a matching pair as seen in Skeet.

If the gun is short chokes be wary as replacement Chokes can be expensive or impossible to get. Therefore a slightly dearer gun with a full set may in the long term be better value.

If your going for purely a game gun, chokes with less restriction such as IC or Mod will cover decoying and upland shooting, this will cover most sporting clays as well. Mod & Full or I/MOD & Full will cover pass / high driven shooting as well as DTL.