TUI BALLOT

Terri26

The TUI announced three weeks ago that they were going to ballot their members on the JCSA. Nothing has arrived in school yet. Are they just waiting (again) for ASTI to take the lead as they are supposed to be meeting soon to put together the wording of the ballot and their demands?

RealJohn

Terri26 wrote: »

The TUI announced three weeks ago that they were going to ballot their members on the JCSA. Nothing has arrived in school yet. Are they just waiting (again) for ASTI to take the lead as they are supposed to be meeting soon to put together the wording of the ballot and their demands?

Nothing in our place either.

acequion

Well I would ask all TUI members to sit up and take notice of this one before it’s too late. I was at the in-service on Monday and came home extremely worried, to say the least. I posted about it on the new JC thread. What really alarms me is the huge chasm between aspirational and workable. While there are some very good aspects in the content, these could easily be incorporated into the present J.C English curriculum, to modernise and refresh and sync better with the LC curriculum. Instead, the poor baby is being flung to the death with the bath water to be replaced by fiddly,faddly methodologies [all happy clappy games and an obsessive emphasis on group work] as well as a huge emphasis on airy fairy “learning outcomes”. It really is far too much change all at once, maybe ok in an ideal world with a stable economy, but chaos in overcrowded, underfunded Irish classrooms. Not to mention the assessment part, almost half of which will be done by the teacher, and the hows and whens not even properly worked out yet. It is complete and utter madness and must be stopped.

So,please TUI people, get on to your union reps and your union head office and demand action! Remember, once they get one subject in, then the damn thing is in!

jimbo28

Are your subject association involved in this new introduction?

acequion

jimbo28 wrote: »

Are your subject association involved in this new introduction?

Good point,jimbo. I don't honestly know as personally,I don't bother much with subject associations.

But someone reading this might know??

jimbo28

Maybe your subject association should be called upon to give a very comprehensive plan as to why this new introduction wont work.That said, the dept seem hellbent on introducing change to the junior curriculum, so maybe it is in your best interest to draw up a very comprehensive plan to show them what WILL work, from the perspective of both teachers and students.

As a very well healed colleague of mine says quite often,if you are going to challenge change,you had better be willing to give an alternative!

Have the NCCA produced a syllabus for the new course yet?

As for asking all teachers to vote against its introduction en mass, you may as well be banging your head off the wall, teachers have already proven this year how fragmented their views really are.I do really think that your subject asc should be the first port of call.

acequion

jimbo28 wrote: »

Maybe your subject association should be called upon to give a very comprehensive plan as to why this new introduction wont work.That said, the dept seem hellbent on introducing change to the junior curriculum, so maybe it is in your best interest to draw up a very comprehensive plan to show them what WILL work, from the perspective of both teachers and students.

As a very well healed colleague of mine says quite often,if you are going to challenge change,you had better be willing to give an alternative!

Have the NCCA produced a syllabus for the new course yet?

As for asking all teachers to vote against its introduction en mass, you may as well be banging your head off the wall, teachers have already proven this year how fragmented their views really are.I do really think that your subject asc should be the first port of call.

Thanks jimbo. What you say is common sense in many ways except for one thing. The new framework will entail hours upon hours of extra work for no extra pay,indeed against the backdrop of recent pay cuts and worsening job conditions. Nor will all this extra work lead to any type of reward whatsoever for the teacher,no promotion prospects,nothing.Nor will they even have the vocational satisfaction of it being educationally sound.

So,why would any teacher not vote against it? Can you or anybody answer that question?

Aiddevanny

I notice that plc colleges did not support second level colleagues in protest against junior certificate. Is this because plc teachers are used to correcting students work or is it statement to tui that they are not a union fit to represent plc teachers. My partner works in a large plc college where less than 30% of teachers are in the union.

evolving_doors

Aiddevanny wrote: »

I notice that plc colleges did not support second level colleagues in protest against junior certificate. Is this because plc teachers are used to correcting students work or is it statement to tui that they are not a union fit to represent plc teachers. My partner works in a large plc college where less than 30% of teachers are in the union.

I know there's solidarity and all that but in my view the PLC's have little or no involvement in the JC, so in fairness would they be able to give the issues due attention considering they dont deal with the JC.

Also, would all TUI colleagues return the favour if there were cause to strike on issues concerning the PLC sector only...

Basically the unions are a mess...

How about...

Primary sector Union
Secondary Union
3rd level Union

As we have seen from the CP/HR debacle the Govt' were able to pick off every union one by one by throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the mix.

implausible

Further ed teachers will have no involvement in the JC ballot as it does not affect them. I'd imagine that is why they were not involved in the protest rally on Tues.

Ballot papers arrived in my school on Wednesday.

Aiddevanny

I am led to believe there is no distinction between plc teachers and second level as both are employed as second level teachers. Tui take their membership as second level teachers. Dept of eduction employ plc teachers as second level teachers with same terms and conditions. They even only work 167 days apart from not teaching for most of September and may. Anyway why were all tui members not balloted on jc reform. Tui cannot take subscriptions from plc teachers and not allow them ballot.

teacherhead

Aiddevanny wrote: »

I am led to believe there is no distinction between plc teachers and second level as both are employed as second level teachers. Tui take their membership as second level teachers. Dept of eduction employ plc teachers as second level teachers with same terms and conditions. They even only work 167 days apart from not teaching for most of September and may. Anyway why were all tui members not balloted on jc reform. Tui cannot take subscriptions from plc teachers and not allow them ballot.

get over yourself. It is illegal to ballot workers not affected by something on action against it. In any case a massive rejection of the new jc proposals is evident from all second level teachers.

Quinn will have to pay attention now.

Aiddevanny

How does ballot work in dual provision schools (Second Level and PLC). Only those involved in JC this year vote.

implausible

Aiddevanny wrote: »

How does ballot work in dual provision schools (Second Level and PLC). Only those involved in JC this year vote.

In schools where PLCs are offered, it's unlikely that all PLC teachers are not teaching mainstream. There are teachers who aren't teaching Junior Cert and principals and DPs who aren't teaching at all and they have a vote on JC because it's relevant to the sector they're working in.