Major problem, any advice?

Maguidhir91

I recently received confirmation of my IST date, within the email it mentions that if I pass the IST then I will be assessed in the Assessment centre within a week.

My problem is that according to the email, in order to be assessed I need to provide certificates for my GCSE's and other qualifications. I have my A-level certificates, however I never received certificates at GCSE as I did not collect them from my school for personal reasons, that said I recently received from my school a statement detailing my subjects and grades, which are not official.

So in order to receive original certificates, I need to contact the exam boards and submit an application for new certificates or as they say an official statement of my GCSE's as I am not eligible for a replacement certificate.

The entire process could take over a month and with my IST very soon and my assessment soon after, I will not have these official statements/certificates in time for the Assessment centre.

Does this mean that I will have to wait for the next recruitment campaign or is there anyway to submit those certificates at a later date, the email is very clear but I'm desperate and can't stand the thought of having to wait fir the next recruitment campaign.

Rizzley

The best thing to do is phone Deloitte. I know a few people have been able to submit forms at a later date but I'm not sure for what reasons

TDA2

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

I recently received confirmation of my IST date, within the email it mentions that if I pass the IST then I will be assessed in the Assessment centre within a week.

My problem is that according to the email, in order to be assessed I need to provide certificates for my GCSE's and other qualifications. I have my A-level certificates, however I never received certificates at GCSE as I did not collect them from my school for personal reasons, that said I recently received from my school a statement detailing my subjects and grades, which are not official.

So in order to receive original certificates, I need to contact the exam boards and submit an application for new certificates or as they say an official statement of my GCSE's as I am not eligible for a replacement certificate.

The entire process could take over a month and with my IST very soon and my assessment soon after, I will not have these official statements/certificates in time for the Assessment centre.

Does this mean that I will have to wait for the next recruitment campaign or is there anyway to submit those certificates at a later date, the email is very clear but I'm desperate and can't stand the thought of having to wait fir the next recruitment campaign.

Sorry, but how did you only get details of your ist date? Have you not sat it?

Maguidhir91

Have you got a phone number for Deloitte?

Maguidhir91

I applied for extra time as I have Dyslexia, so they rescheduled to February.

TDA2

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

I applied for extra time as I have Dyslexia, so they rescheduled to February.

I'm lost. How do you get extra time to sit an ist when they were finished 3 months ago. I heard of 'additional facilities' for people with a disability but they were put through around the same time as us.

Anyway your a levels might mean you don't need the gcse's. Email them on the address on the email and mark as urgent

Rizzley

TDA2 wrote: »

I'm lost. How do you get extra time to sit an ist when they were finished 3 months ago. I heard of 'additional facilities' for people with a disability but they were put through around the same time as us.

Anyway your a levels might mean you don't need the gcse's. Email them on the address on the email and mark as urgent

I think people travelling from abroad etc got later IST dates also

Maguidhir91

Because I have dyslexia, they needed time to process my claim which took some time, they had to look at the evidence from my educational psychologist and then decide whether or not to approve. I don't know why it took so long, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

I did email them, although didn't think about marking it as urgent.

Rizzley

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Because I have dyslexia, they needed time to process my claim which took some time, they had to look at the evidence from my educational psychologist and then decide whether or not to approve. I don't know why it took so long, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

I did email them, although didn't think about marking it as urgent.

Best to give them a call

wanadrum

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Because I have dyslexia, they needed time to process my claim which took some time, they had to look at the evidence from my educational psychologist and then decide whether or not to approve. I don't know why it took so long, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

I did email them, although didn't think about marking it as urgent.

How much extra time do you get?

Best try contacting Deloitte but I think you can show the original Certs late

Maguidhir91

25% extra time.

wanadrum

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

25% extra time.

Well good luck with it, is it your first time applying?

Maguidhir91

Yes.

wanadrum

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Yes.

Have fun, and welcome to boards!

TDA2

Personally I'd not have given you extra time. You seem to be good at reading and writing for a dyslexic. If you're earning the same you should be outputing the same. No allowances for anyone and equal ops for all

And to all those that are probably reading this thinking shame... I have a severely disabled child both physically and neurologically

Maguidhir91

I also have dyspraxia, that said however dyslexia is a lot more complex than what you might think, my dyslexia affects me quite a lot more in exam conditions.

Regarding my disorder I'm affected by my dyspraxia more so than my dyslexia. I'm not applying to this job for the money, I'm doing it for the life that it will enable me to lead. If getting the job meant earning less money because I have two neurological disorders, I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as I got the job and could help people in my role as a police officer.

Homer01

Best of luck with everything

I don't mean to be harsh but we all knew about the GCSE and IT requirements back in September when they advertised.
You have had over four months to get this sorted.

Also I don't think A Level certificates will suffice.
"You must supply evidence of your having the requisite number of GCSEs or equivalent, and note that by having achieved A-levels or a higher level qualification, without the requisite GCSEs, does not exempt you from having to provide evidence of having the requisite GCSEs"

Provided you have the necessary GCSE's I'm sure you can get them within a week; although it may cost you.

Natascha2013

TDA2 wrote: »

Personally I'd not have given you extra time. You seem to be good at reading and writing for a dyslexic. If you're earning the same you should be outputing the same. No allowances for anyone and equal ops for all

Well thankfully your personal opinion means nothing

How dare you judge anybody's disability, you arrogant git.

Maguidhir91

Regarding my writing skills, you have yet to these skills. I have received numerous sessions in university from a lady who helped me cope with certain aspects of my disorder. If you see that I have good spelling and grammar it's because I was taught to read over what I write before submitting things, in most scenarios I have plenty of time to do this, but when time is a factor, it is common for me to make mistakes etc.

My dyspraxia affects my reading speed and ability to understand certain text based questions, I need to read a question multiple times.

Also my handwriting is affected and my handwriting speed, the faster I write the more illegible my handwriting is and vice versa.

Bob Law

TDA2 wrote: »

Personally I'd not have given you extra time. You seem to be good at reading and writing for a dyslexic. If you're earning the same you should be outputing the same. No allowances for anyone and equal ops for all

You need to wind your neck in chum. Some copper you would be with that attitude to diversity.

Maguidhir91

I did know about the GCSE's however it was only when I received my email recently regarding the date for my IST that I realised that I needed the original certificates for the assessment, where as I only had a letter from my school with my grades from GCSE.

Regarding a time for receiving these certificates, most of my exam boards require a minimum of 28 days to process the application.

Natascha2013

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Regarding my writing skills, you have yet to these skills. I have received numerous sessions in university from a lady who helped me cope with certain aspects of my disorder. If you see that I have good spelling and grammar it's because I was taught to read over what I write before submitting things, in most scenarios I have plenty of time to do this, but when time is a factor, it is common for me to make mistakes etc.

My dyspraxia affects my reading speed and ability to understand certain text based questions, I need to read a question multiple times.

Also my handwriting is affected and my handwriting speed, the faster I write the more illegible my handwriting is and vice versa.

Hi Maguidhir91,

Email them again with the subject line marked URGENT, if you don't get a reply try phoning and as a last resort strongly request to be allowed to sit the Assessment Centre until they have sorted it out.

By the way you ABSOLUTELY do not have to justify your disability in this forum or anywhere else - if Deloitte are satisfied with your medical evidence then that's all there is to it.

Discrimination has no place in society whatsoever.

Rizzley

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Regarding my writing skills, you have yet to these skills. I have received numerous sessions in university from a lady who helped me cope with certain aspects of my disorder. If you see that I have good spelling and grammar it's because I was taught to read over what I write before submitting things, in most scenarios I have plenty of time to do this, but when time is a factor, it is common for me to make mistakes etc.

My dyspraxia affects my reading speed and ability to understand certain text based questions, I need to read a question multiple times.

Also my handwriting is affected and my handwriting speed, the faster I write the more illegible my handwriting is and vice versa.

You don't need to justify yourself! Good luck!

allroad

TDA2 wrote: »

Personally I'd not have given you extra time. You seem to be good at reading and writing for a dyslexic. If you're earning the same you should be outputing the same. No allowances for anyone and equal ops for all

And to all those that are probably reading this thinking shame... I have a severely disabled child both physically and neurologically

Then you should bloody know better.

TDA2

Seeing you all to pick on me I will clarify nobody should be discriminated against on any grounds whether it be disabilty, religion or anything else; but why should someone be advantaged? Reasonable adjustments should be made and no I do not know what the case is for individual. Bottom line is if they can do the job happy days. Its all about equal and fair treatment. I would not want any preferential treatment for my kids in a social or work environment. They have to stand or sit on their own feet and their own merits.

I wish everyone the best of luck but we should all be on a level playing field. If you can't give chase or read a number plate or anything else required within the job it goes for everyone you could be putting your colleagues at danger. We must all be capable and nothing more

TDA2

Bob Law wrote: »

You need to wind your neck in chum. Some copper you would be with that attitude to diversity.

Thanks, I'll make sure and tell my disabled son in the morning.

Maverick89

If like me your exams were a mixture of AQA and CEA and the quota of 5 GCSE's is satisfied by the CEA results then you can get a certificate of results from them the same day. I did this. It costs £10 and you can pick it up in person from their offices at Clarendon Dock in Belfast. Hope this helps.

Maguidhir91

I will try that, did you have to phone them first or did you just turn up?

Maverick89

I was originally going to post the application but rang just to ask if I could pick them up. All I brought with me was a postal order for the £10 and the application form for the replacement. I had my certificate within about ten minutes.

Maguidhir91

I only have one ccea, 4 AQA unless double award counts as 2 in which case 5.

Natascha2013

TDA2 wrote: »

Seeing you all to pick on me I will clarify nobody should be discriminated against on any grounds whether it be disabilty, religion or anything else; but why should someone be advantaged? Reasonable adjustments should be made and no I do not know what the case is for individual. Bottom line is if they can do the job happy days. Its all about equal and fair treatment. I would not want any preferential treatment for my kids in a social or work environment. They have to stand or sit on their own feet and their own merits.

I wish everyone the best of luck but we should all be on a level playing field. If you can't give chase or read a number plate or anything else required within the job it goes for everyone you could be putting your colleagues at danger. We must all be capable and nothing more

It's to level the playing field to avoid indirect discrimination - something I would have imagined a parent to a person with disabilities, to be an advocate for.

There are of course medical conditions that bar you from the job, but when it's reasonable then it should catered for.

Maverick89

DA is 2. Not sure how long the turnaround for AQA is though.

Maguidhir91

I will just have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

Homer01

Stupid question; I assume you Maths and English in there? Also the relevant IT qualification?

TDA2

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

I will just have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

Hopefully you get them and good luck. The point I've been trying to make is to equal treatment and in terms of making allowances I would have given you a laptop to use and the same for the report writing in the ac and that or something else would be reasonable. I'm sure you want equal treatment not different treatment. I do not care whether or not someone has a disability as long as they can do the job. I have to give you credit for making the extra effort and going for it.

TDA2

Natascha2013 wrote: »

It's to level the playing field to avoid indirect discrimination - something I would have imagined a parent to a person with disabilities, to be an advocate for.

There are of course medical conditions that bar you from the job, but when it's reasonable then it should catered for.

Indirect discrimination is unfairness that may occur when certain conditions imposed on an individual have an unfavourable impact. It occurs when a condition applied equally to everyone can be achieved by a smaller number of people within that population.

I am not talking about direct or indirect discrimination because I do not see how it pertains. The dda also refers to making reasonable adjustments which I support fully. My query is to whether the adjustment is reasonable. I am sure psni/deloitte sought advice and reached their decision. How much of an input did M have? Would they have preferred a laptop? I do not claim to know the extent of the conditions in M's specific circumstances. At 6ft6 they will physically be good to be standing beside us.

Maguidhir91

Maths is OCR, English CCEA.

.S.

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Maths is OCR, English CCEA.

Hi M, just thought I'd put in my twopence worth too!

I'd def get copies of maths and English and whatever other subjects that are easiest done. As above, get down to CCEA for your English, I'd be ringing OCR to enquire about Maths and AQA to get the remaining. At the end of the day you sat your exams for this reason, to get a better type of job, I'm sure they'll help you all they can. Pay whatever you have to (within reason) to get them ASAP. If, after ringing and explaining (speak to a manager in exam boards if necessary) you get no further I would be ringing Deloitte. In my experience they can take a while answering emails... Explain the situation. From other threads on here individuals have sat their AC on the understanding they must provide certs in order for their application to proceed, I'd like to think they'd let you sit the AC and provide the certs by a certain (later) date.

You've got this far, don't give up! Good Luck with the exam boards and the AC itself

Tim89

1)-

TDA2 wrote: »

Seeing you all to pick on me I will clarify nobody should be discriminated against on any grounds whether it be disabilty, religion or anything else; but why should someone be advantaged? Reasonable adjustments should be made and no I do not know what the case is for individual. Bottom line is if they can do the job happy days. Its all about equal and fair treatment. I would not want any preferential treatment for my kids in a social or work environment. They have to stand or sit on their own feet and their own merits.

I wish everyone the best of luck but we should all be on a level playing field. If you can't give chase or read a number plate or anything else required within the job it goes for everyone you could be putting your colleagues at danger. We must all be capable and nothing more

and 2) -

Maguidhir91 wrote: »

Regarding my writing skills, you have yet to see these skills. I have received numerous sessions in university from a lady who helped me cope with certain aspects of my disorder. If you see that I have good spelling and grammar it's because I was taught to read over what I write before submitting things, in most scenarios I have plenty of time to do this, but when time is a factor, it is common for me to make mistakes etc.

My dyspraxia affects my reading speed and ability to understand certain text based questions, I need to read a question multiple times.

Also my handwriting is affected and my handwriting speed, the faster I write the more illegible my handwriting is and vice versa.

Which one of these statements would everyone think was written by somebody with dyslexia and dyspraxia.... I know I would of got it wrong.

Maguidhir - You need to get onto OCR asap, they will tell you it'll take 21 working days - mine came in 7, hopefully they wont keep you too long.

They also charge a processing fee - PM if you want to know anything else chum

TDA2

I hope i have not caused you any offence and if I have I sincerely apologise. I have a severely disabled son as a result of an injury and I push for equal rights. The forum has got a little heated and I have made a few errors in my quotes by not giving an explanation and because of mine and my family's personal experience.

I do not believe, with the limited amount of information I know or need to know, that you have been given the fairest treatment. I think by doing an ist and 1 week later possibly doing an ac that you are being put under extra pressure. I don't know if the time was the best option, but as you have said you feel pressured writing and struggle to keep it legible so is a laptop the best option. I feel too often and have seen it with my son that often the opinion of the individual or family is overlooked and the adjustments are often a bit over the top often becoming to the point that it is embarrassing and offensive. You should be encouraged and helped and I hope that there are no aspects of the job or application that will hold you back.

I have the utmost respect for you being open and honest publically and sharing personal information. As Tim89 said you write better than I do and many others on the forum. I am sure you want the opportunities we all have and to be treated equally and fairly. I would doubt that anything within the job would prove to be a barrier and I wish you luck in your application.

I also apologise to anyone else I have offended in the process which is and was unintentional. If you knew mine and my sons circumstances/experiences you would have a greater appreciation of the points I miserably failed to make. And believe me when I say I would not wish them on anyone.

Shield

@TDA2:

I'm not posting this as a Mod, so you are free to reply to anything I write here.

I'll start with the basic point, and bear in mind I know nothing about you, and it's very difficult for me, and even more for rare that I'm this direct about a point:

You are wrong.

Let me put it to you like this:

In law (evidence and further reading here), there is an onus on employers, and even potential employers, even at interview stage, there is a legal obligation to make "Reasonable Adjustments" to the interview - the purpose being to remove disadvantages that a disabled person may be under that non-disabled persons are not. This may include making changes to your job selection criteria, your interview arrangements, the physical features of your premises.

In this case, any applicant who has a proven medical history of dyslexia (a recognised disability) would be under a disadvantage that non-disabled persons are not, and a reasonable adjustment to the interview selection process would be to give the disabled applicant sufficient additional time that would put him on an equal footing, and to quote an earlier poster: "to level the playing field".

You may have you own reasons for not agreeing with the legal requirement to make reasonable adjustments to the interview and selection process for disabled people, but I think you'd be better off taking this one on the chin, and chalk it down to learning something new every day.

We all get things wrong from time to time, and I hope I have explained it adequately enough for you to change your view, now that you've got that bit more knowledge to forge a more informed opinion?

-Shield.

coffeerequired

I had to apply to the examining board for new certs and it only took 2 days to receive them back in the post. That was through CCEA.

Maguidhir91

28 days from most exam boards except CCEA who are very quick, I will have to wait for Deloitte to phone me back, apparently they aren't contacting people over the phone at the moment, just via email.

I already have a certificate from AQA for maths so I should be able to hopefully get English, that just leaves me with 3 more certificates to acquire.