Greatest ever 6 nations team?

stpaddy99

FIVE OR SIX NATIONS TEAM

Here we go Im going to get stick for this lol
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15 Blanco
14 Shane williams
13 BOD
12 Sella
11 gerald Davies
10 Phil bennett
9 Edwards
8 Parisse
7 Hill
6 dallaglio
5 Paul oconnell/willie john
4 Johnson
3 Marconnet
2 Keith wood
1 Tom Smith

Rightwing

stpaddy99 wrote: »

Here we go Im going to get stick for this lol
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15 Blanco
14 Shane williams
13 BOD
12 Sella
11 gerald Davies
10 Phil bennett
9 Edwards
8 Parisse
7 Hill
6 dallaglio
5 Paul oconnell/willie john
4 Johnson
3 Marconnet
2 Keith wood
1 Tom Smith

A lot of those players never played in the 6N.

stpaddy99

Rightwing wrote: »

A lot of those players never played in the 6N.

ok five or six nations

Thekidneybean

Questionable to have dallaglio at 8, but at 6!?

Buer

Thekidneybean wrote: »

Questionable to have dallaglio at 8, but at 6!?

Played plenty of rugby there. He became an out and out 8 as he got older but for his first 25-30 caps, including on the Lions tour of 1997 (where he was in the test team), he was a blindside.

Swiwi.

Buer wrote: »

Played plenty of rugby there. He became an out and out 8 as he got older but for his first 25-30 caps, including on the Lions tour of 1997 (where he was in the test team), he was a blindside.

Buer, an ancient term for a sage knowing every position any player has ever taken on the rugby field.

:P

stpaddy99

Thekidneybean wrote: »

Questionable to have dallaglio at 8, but at 6!?

he played a lot at 6. i thought parisse is a better 8, heaslip probably makes more yards, quinnell too was a better 8 imo...both were slightly bigger and carried very well...dallaglio was though a superb blindside, tremendous work rate and world cup winner.

Thekidneybean

Buer wrote: »

Played plenty of rugby there. He became an out and out 8 as he got older but for his first 25-30 caps, including on the Lions tour of 1997 (where he was in the test team), he was a blindside.

Well I'm not saying hes a poor player obviously, class act, leader and player. But I think there were better blindsides imo.

chupacabra

this stpaddy99 lad reminds me of a certain thomond2006 when he first started posting many moons ago. Very similar threads

Buer

Swiwi. wrote: »

Buer, an ancient term for a sage knowing every position any player has ever taken on the rugby field.

:P

I'm just the best damn Googler east of the Missisippi Misissipi Mississipi Liffey.

Swiwi.

Buer wrote: »

I'm just the best damn Googler east of the Missisippi Misissipi Mississipi Liffey.

I remember all the geeky kids who knew how to spell that word. Not lumping you in with them of course, given you still don't know :pac:

former legend

I'd say most posters never saw the likes of Sella or Davies so here's my 6 Nations team:

15 Robinson
14 Clerc
13 O'Driscoll
12 Greenwood
11 Williams
10 Wilkinson
9 Dawson
1 Jenkins
2 Wood
3 Marconnet
4 Johnson
5 O'Connell
6 Hill
7 Dusautoir
8 Dallaglio

Bench: Ibanez, Domingo, A Jones, AW Jones,
Parisse, Phillips, Dominguez, Jauzion

BoarHunter

I would have put Betsen, better than Hill for me. Rory underwood was class as well ... hard to make choices.

Polka Dots

1. Fran Cotton
2. Keith Wood
3. Robert Paparemborde
4. Martin Johnson
5. Benoit Dauga
6. Richard Hill
7. Rives
8. Mervin Davies
9. Gareth Edwards
10. Barry John
11. Rory Underwood
12. Phillipe Sella
13. BOD
14. Gerald Davies
15. JPR Williams

Bench: Nick Popplewell, R. Ibanez, POC, Walter Spanghero, Serge Blanco, Jason Robinson, Jonny Wilkinson

Coach: Carwyn James

stpaddy99

jean pierre rieves damn it forget him, what an sbolute legend he was

Yeah_Right

stpaddy99 wrote: »

FIVE OR SIX NATIONS TEAM

Here we go Im going to get stick for this lol
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15 Blanco
14 Shane williams
13 BOD
12 Sella
11 gerald Davies
10 Phil bennett
9 Edwards
8 Parisse
7 Hill
6 dallaglio
5 Paul oconnell/willie john
4 Johnson
3 Marconnet
2 Keith wood
1 Tom Smith

Edwards at 9? Excuse the ignorance but I dont know him. When was he around? I always rated Robert Jones from Wales late 80s early 90s. Seemed to be the one guy that could rattle Nick Farr-Jones.
Also I would have to go with WillieJohn over POC. Never saw him play but pretty much every kiwi I've spoken to from the older generation said he was the best ever. And the great Sir Colin says he was the hardest man he ever played against so I bow to their knowledge.

danthefan

Tbh I think it's impossible to mix amateur era and professional era players in the same team. WJMB, undoubtedly a great of the game, probably wouldn't make it as a 2nd row today because he isn't tall enough. The eras are just too different to compare imo. The amateurs wouldn't have been nearly fit or strong as the pros, but obviously they worked full time and didn't have an army of staff dedicated to their physical conditioning and well-being, cutting edge medical access, etc.

Yeah_Right

danthefan wrote: »

Tbh I think it's impossible to mix amateur era and professional era players in the same team. WJMB, undoubtedly a great of the game, probably wouldn't make it as a 2nd row today because he isn't tall enough. The era's are just too different to compare imo. The amateurs wouldn't have been nearly fit or strong as the pros, but obviously they worked full time and didn't have an army of staff dedicated to their physical conditioning and well-being, cutting edge medical access, etc.

Very true. He probably would have been an 8 or a 6 if he played in the modern era.

Clearlier

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Edwards at 9? Excuse the ignorance but I dont know him. When was he around? I always rated Robert Jones from Wales late 80s early 90s. Seemed to be the one guy that could rattle Nick Farr-Jones.
Also I would have to go with WillieJohn over POC. Never saw him play but pretty much every kiwi I've spoken to from the older generation said he was the best ever. And the great Sir Colin says he was the hardest man he ever played against so I bow to their knowledge.

Gareth Edwards - 1973 Baa Baa's try!

I liked Robert Jones too but in legend terms he'd be Gary Longwell and Gareth Edwards would be Willie John.

Webbs

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Very true. He probably would have been an 8 or a 6 if he played in the modern era.

Shows difference in the size of guys when you think he was the same size as Mike Phillips is now

Webbs

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Edwards at 9? Excuse the ignorance but I dont know him. When was he around? I always rated Robert Jones from Wales late 80s early 90s. Seemed to be the one guy that could rattle Nick Farr-Jones.
Also I would have to go with WillieJohn over POC. Never saw him play but pretty much every kiwi I've spoken to from the older generation said he was the best ever. And the great Sir Colin says he was the hardest man he ever played against so I bow to their knowledge.

Arguably the greatest rugby player ever!

ButtersSuki

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Also I would have to go with WillieJohn over POC. Never saw him play but pretty much every kiwi I've spoken to from the older generation said he was the best ever. And the great Sir Colin says he was the hardest man he ever played against so I bow to their knowledge.

More than a little off-topic……..all fair points, but Willie John also penned possibly the most boring autobiography I've ever read - and I've read tonnes. There's not a cliche he didn't use, the style was similar to that used tongue-in-cheek by Steve Coogan in the ending to almost every chapter in the Alan Partridge's bio, i.e. "needless to say I had the last laugh" - except Wille John was serious. Most of it actually reads like one of those "What I did for my Summer Holidays" essays you had to write on your first week back in primary school in Sept. I bought it for 25c in Zavvi when they were closing in Dundrum. I was robbed.

Gambas

This is the 15 that I've seen that I'd pay most to see

15 Serge
14 Ntamack
13 BOD
12 Fofana
11 R Underwood
10 Wilkinson
9 Berbizier
8 Scott Quinnell
7 Dusatoir
6 Betsen
5 POC
4 Pelous
3 Califano
2 Keith Wood
1 Castrogiovanni

Bench: Gavin Hastings/N Jenkins, Servat, Andrews, Hardoniquay, Sole, Ieuan Evans

bilston

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Edwards at 9? Excuse the ignorance but I dont know him. When was he around?

You are taking the p***? Aren't you? Please tell me you are!

bilston

ButtersSuki wrote: »

More than a little off-topic……..all fair points, but Willie John also penned possibly the most boring autobiography I've ever read - and I've read tonnes. There's not a cliche he didn't use, the style was similar to that used tongue-in-cheek by Steve Coogan in the ending to almost every chapter in the Alan Partridge's bio, i.e. "needless to say I had the last laugh" - except Wille John was serious. Most of it actually reads like one of those "What I did for my Summer Holidays" essays you had to write on your first week back in primary school in Sept. I bought it for 25c in Zavvi when they were closing in Dundrum. I was robbed.

Bet it's better than yours;)

stefan idiot jones

Webbs wrote: »

Arguably the greatest rugby player ever!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Edwards

THE Greatest rugby player of all time.

Check out his stats. Unbelievable.

Yeah_Right

bilston wrote: »

You are taking the p***? Aren't you? Please tell me you are!

No I wasn't. Couldn't think of an Edwards at halfback. That link to the Baabaas try reminded me who he was. Yes he was brilliant.

stpaddy99

Gambas wrote: »

This is the 15 that I've seen that I'd pay most to see

15 Serge
14 Ntamack
13 BOD
12 Fofana
11 R Underwood
10 Wilkinson
9 Berbizier
8 Scott Quinnell
7 Dusatoir
6 Betsen
5 POC
4 Pelous
3 Califano
2 Keith Wood
1 Castrogiovanni

Bench: Gavin Hastings/N Jenkins, Servat, Andrews, Hardoniquay, Sole, Ieuan Evans

you enjoyed watching wilkO? a legend he may be but flair ? not really
berbizier over gareth edwards? allrighty then
the rest is a great side though id disagree with most of it
also glad someone ementioned ieuan evans, an outsnading player in a dreadful era for welsh rugby when all their players went to rugby league

bilston

Yeah_Right wrote: »

No I wasn't. Couldn't think of an Edwards at halfback. That link to the Baabaas try reminded me who he was. Yes he was brilliant.

Fair enough. He was before my time but many say he was the greatest player of all time. All subjective obviously, but even watching clips on Youtube you'll soon realise he was some player.

bilston

Gambas wrote: »

This is the 15 that I've seen that I'd pay most to see

15 Serge
14 Ntamack
13 BOD
12 Fofana
11 R Underwood
10 Wilkinson
9 Berbizier
8 Scott Quinnell
7 Dusatoir
6 Betsen
5 POC
4 Pelous
3 Califano
2 Keith Wood
1 Castrogiovanni

Bench: Gavin Hastings/N Jenkins, Servat, Andrews, Hardoniquay, Sole, Ieuan Evans

Now my turn to probably ask a stupid question but who is/was Andrews?

stpaddy99

bilston wrote: »

Now my turn to probably ask a stupid question but who is/was Andrews?

rob andrew the worlds most boring player, EVER

Gambas

bilston wrote: »

Now my turn to probably ask a stupid question but who is/was Andrews?

You never heard of Robs Andrews? Used to play for Englands! :P

stpaddy99

Gambas wrote: »

You never heard of Robs Andrews? Used to play for Englands! :P

lol lucky he didnt play for Wales's

Yeah_Right

Rob Andrews?!?!? Please no!!! That man should never been within a bull's roar of any "Greatest Ever Teams". Ever.

Guffy

Is wood really the best european hooker of all time?

Grimebox

bilston wrote: »

You are taking the p***? Aren't you? Please tell me you are!

Are you taking the p***? A rugby player who retired over a decade before I was born?

stpaddy99

gufc21 wrote: »

Is wood really the best european hooker of all time?

its could be ibanez or moore or bobby windsor but who cares Im irish and I say woody

stpaddy99

Grimebox wrote: »

Are you taking the p***? A rugby player who retired over a decade before I was born?

so did pele, ever heard of him lol

moycullen14

gufc21 wrote: »

Is wood really the best european hooker of all time?

Not only that, In the last 30 years, I'd say he was the best in the world.

Him and BOD would be the only two irish on my 'Bestest Team ever'

Gambas

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Rob Andrews?!?!? Please no!!! That man should never been within a bull's roar of any "Greatest Ever Teams". Ever.

Barring Wilkinson, top class NH OH's have been very thin on the ground in the past 25 years. The likes of ROG and Stephen Jones? Ugggh. the various mercurial (read 'flakey') French , Gregor Townsend? Neil Jenkins could play there I suppose. But I can't remember seeing anyone other than Wilkinson that was considerably better than Rob Andrew.

On reflection I'd drop POC for Martin Johnson.

stpaddy99

Gambas wrote: »

Barring Wilkinson, top class NH OH's have been very thin on the ground in the past 25 years. The likes of ROG and Stephen Jones? Ugggh. the various mercurial (read 'flakey') French , Gregor Townsend? Neil Jenkins could play there I suppose. But I can't remember seeing anyone other than Wilkinson that was considerably better than Rob Andrew.

On reflection I'd drop POC for Martin Johnson.

I prefer all the welsh fly halves
bennett, jonathon davies, barry john

Gambas

stpaddy99 wrote: »

I prefer all the welsh fly halves
bennett, jonathon davies, barry john

I was limiting it to guys I'd watched play. Jonathon Davies was pretty handy, but a bit too 'rugby leaguey' for me.

ButtersSuki

bilston wrote: »

Bet it's better than yours;)

If you read the book you knew me, you'd know it's not!

It's honestly awful. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he has some amazing stories and I've been in his company and found him quite entertaining. But he commits none of that to paper, just rolls off some incredibly bland stories one after the other. You'd have to wonder why is not telling the real/full stories, is it some kinda of omerta? It had the potential to be amazing but fell so flat on its face it's just awful. I know of only one other person who read it and they said pretty much the same thing about it.


Edit: I've an awful feeling BOD's book could rival it though for awfulness! And I say that as a BOD fan!

stpaddy99

Gambas wrote: »

I was limiting it to guys I'd watched play. Jonathon Davies was pretty handy, but a bit too 'rugby leaguey' for me.

he was a genius in both codes....he broke loads of league records too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt4AIRMzJ2o
enjoy

Polka Dots

gufc21 wrote: »

Is wood really the best european hooker of all time?

Only other hooker to come near Wood was Phillipe Dintrans, the great french hooker. He was the first hooker to throw the ball into the lineout and great around the field.
Wood was the best ever, speed, bravery, intelligence, leadership - no one compares.

bilston

Grimebox wrote: »

Are you taking the p***? A rugby player who retired over a decade before I was born?

Fair enough, anyway look him up, he was very good.