"Hunted" - Tonight @ 10pm on Channel 4

Rick_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOBuqBaFrnU

Anyone else going to be watching this tonight?

J_E

Absolutely. Some horrific and sinister behaviour going on in Russia. Worse that it is enabled by laws.

The only Russian person I know is a lesbian, met her through mutual friends while she was studying abroad for a semester. The stereotype of Russians is that they're cold and and unfriendly but this girl was really friendly and lots of fun. She currently lives and studies in Hungary, so she's safer and able to be a bit more open than she would be in Russia, but I can't help wondering what she must think of all that's going on in her homeland. I saw through Facebook that she was sharing Panti's speech - I hope some of her friends in Russia (if they understand English) take some comfort from it.

periodictable

Paddy C wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOBuqBaFrnU

Anyone else going to be watching this tonight?

Just saw this thread have posted in LGBT Russia thread-appalling stuff. Substitute Jew for gay and you're back to the 1930s

Doop

periodictable wrote: »

Just saw this thread have posted in LGBT Russia thread-appalling stuff. Substitute Jew for gay and you're back to the 1930s

Thats the most frightening thing i took from the doc.. :mad:
People of recent generations myself included find it difficult to comprehend
how Nazi Germany ever came about but it really felt like this was a view into the
slip into fascism, with harsher laws coming into force on a sequential basis and the normalisation and downgrading of human rights for a minority.

Very sad, and fair play to the folks protesting outside the Russia embassy today.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

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Locker10a

That was one of the most shocking things i have ever seen, And i agree with above comments it is a 21st century parallel to the Holocaust and how it started in the 20's and 30's in central europe, History really does repeat itself and it is true that the more things change in this world the more they stay the same

OneArt

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The only Russian person I know is a lesbian, met her through mutual friends while she was studying abroad for a semester. The stereotype of Russians is that they're cold and and unfriendly but this girl was really friendly and lots of fun. She currently lives and studies in Hungary, so she's safer and able to be a bit more open than she would be in Russia, but I can't help wondering what she must think of all that's going on in her homeland. I saw through Facebook that she was sharing Panti's speech - I hope some of her friends in Russia (if they understand English) take some comfort from it.

I live in Germany and a lot of my friends here are Russian or from former Soviet countries. They're probably some of the most fun people I've met (and have amazing food), as well as the most tolerant. I also went out with one of them who was bi (as I guess I would consider myself to be).

A lot of Russians here also seem to be in a good mood all the time. A Vietnamese friend asked them why they were always smiling and laughing and they answered with, "Because we're finally in Germany, not Russia."

jjdub1

A truly shocking programme. What I would really like to say I would like to see those from 'occupy paedophilia' undergo the same treatment
they so callously and self righteously mete out, particularly that
redheaded "naturally we will destroy their lives, as usual" bitch but that might be stooping to their level. It really isn't hard to see the parallels to nazism and anyone with any regard or ounce of humanity cannot fail to condemn these ba$tards.

J_E

https://www.facebook.com/logunova.katrina

She obviously must love the attention if she is so readily searachable.

fryup

probably the most disturbing documentary i've ever seen, hope its shown throughout the world

if this is a true reflection of russian society than every gay athelete should boycott the winter Olympics, hell every right-minded athelete should boycott it...like something out of the middle-ages

Just watched it on 4od.
These kinds of documentaries always have to be taken with a pinch of salt; some of the dialogue of the perpetrators seemed a little forced or scripted or something... But I've no doubt that stuff like that does go on, and the video evidence is shocking.

As an aside I had St. Petersburg on my list of cities I wanted to visit at some point, not sure if I'd ever feel fully comfortable going there now though.

Lou.m

Horrible video on upworthy going around facebook right now about videos posted on social networks about gross abuse.

It is extreme. They are humiliating and sexually abusing people filming it and putting it on networks with the pretense of protecting the youth.

DazMarz

And this shower were given both the Winter Olympics and the 2018 World Cup?

Money talks, I suppose. If ever there was a case of two major sporting events being bought by the host nations, it is the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Russian drug money/oligarchs and Qatari oil money bought off FIFA. Simple. And both are bastions of Nazi-esque discrimination against not just gay people, but anyone who would dare to speak out against oppression and discrimination.

Russia was one country I had hoped to visit one day. The rich history of cities such as Moscow, St. Petersburg, Volgograd and Vladivostok always attracted me. I'm not that open about my sexuality (only a handful of my closest friends know I'm bi) and I wouldn't fit any stereotypes that these thugs in Russia would look for, but that niggling fear of being dragged into a dingy flat and set upon by a dozen amped up homophobes makes me look to appreciate other cities and their respective histories instead.

The situation in Russia is rapidly approaching a critical stage, and only actions by the international community will stop it. Redemption is not likely to come from within Russia. But concerted efforts by some nations (most effective would be E.U. nations and the U.S.A.) would soon force authorities in Russia to start clamping down on this needless, senseless and disgusting violence being perpetrated against innocent people.

It is disturbing how Russians equate being gay with being a paedophile or something bestial. Republican lunatic Rick Santorum in the U.S.A. tried the same, but thankfully he's no longer in public office and seems to be whiling away his time on FOX News (the bastion of Republican/right-wing lunatics in the U.S.)

This documentary would fill you with righteous anger against the ill-educated mobs therein, but also with a great sense of sadness and deep pity for the victims. What is their crime? What have they done to deserve this? The young man who was left blinded in one eye by an attack is particularly harrowing. He seems like a nice, normal, everyday young man. In most countries, he'd be protected, his attackers jailed and would not be still living in abject terror, simply because he is gay. In Russia, hope is a rare commodity for gay people.

The few people who do stand up for gay people are ostracised and demeaned for their stance. They are seen as worse than gay people themselves by the Russian homophobes; betraying their "own kind" and their country by standing up for those who are against traditional Russian values.

Equally disturbing is the idea that being gay is a mental illness, and that it should be treated. This horror is still sometimes inflicted upon young gay men in Western countries, but seems a particularly prevalent problem in Russia.

Apart from the Czech Republic (which seems to be the most liberal and "western" of any country from behind the former Iron Curtain), most countries of the old Soviet Bloc are still notoriously right-wing and are home to many Neo-Nazi groups (sickeningly ironic, when you consider the attitude the Nazis possessed towards Eastern Europeans, Slavs and Russians; they were subhumans in the Nazis' eyes).

This is not something that will be solved overnight, but with external pressures official policy may be able to be influenced and who knows... maybe it won't take as long as some people think. But until then, it will be a long, cold winter for the gay people of Russia.

periodictable

Message the Dublin embassy
info@russianembassy.ie

Write something on the facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Russian-Embassy-in-Dublin/521974757838024

Relentlessly target them. Anything to remind them that they are fascists

Plek Trum

I was horrified by it - shocked, dismayed and frightened by the calculated organisation and enjoyment of these gangs targeting gay people. The conviction of their beliefs that 'gay' and 'paedophil'e are linked went beyond ignorance into truly terrifying territory.

Is there a planned protest or group in Ireland that can / will put pressure on the Russian Embassy here - can Enda Kenny demand a response to the documentary from the Russian Embassy in Ireland? Are there grounds to refuse the existence of a Russian Embassy in Ireland on humanitarian grounds?

I highly recommend posting on their Facebook page as Periodictable listed and emailing too. This is truly awful

Plek Trum

jjdub1 wrote: »

A truly shocking programme. What I would really like to say I would like to see those from 'occupy paedophilia' undergo the same treatment
they so callously and self righteously mete out, particularly that
redheaded "naturally we will destroy their lives, as usual" bitch but that might be stooping to their level. It really isn't hard to see the parallels to nazism and anyone with any regard or ounce of humanity cannot fail to condemn these ba$tards.

That redhead: https://www.facebook.com/logunova.katrina

periodictable

Lou.m wrote: »

Horrible video on upworthy going around facebook right now about videos posted on social networks about gross abuse.

It is extreme. They are humiliating and sexually abusing people filming it and putting it on networks with the pretense of protecting the youth.

I spoke with someone in GLAAD and they will try to push the documentary on their website.

http://www.glaad.org/

dees99

Cydoniac wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/logunova.katrina

She obviously must love the attention if she is so readily searachable.

Nice one just added her as a friend, thanks! Thought it was a fab show. Gave me a few ideas and all.. ��

JackF1

Disgusting and rather strange.

Not unusual in Russia it's just another form of racism to them. The asshats that run the country aren't interested on their citizens on ways we could never comprehend.

Being gay in itself isn't illegal in Russia (yet) look toward the Middle East and Africa. This is happening the world over.

While we've come along way here I still ocassionally experience homophobia when out with gay friends - personally I don't suffer from it but I see the effect it has on them. A straight person simply couldn't understand what it's like

I would of liked to see the Beeb interview middle class educated Russians who are well travelled etc and heard there thoughts. I felt I was watching a bunch of brain washed idiots - equating homosexuality with paedophlia!

Ten of Swords

Russia's response to this documentary is bizarre to say the least.

The documentary’s emotional appeal is misleading, since the film falls far short of the standards of professional journalistic investigation.

One could have easily whipped up such 'documentary' about a hunting season on redheads in the UK saying that 'ginger' people face unmotivated verbal and physical abuse on a daily basis

If the authors of the documentary really had evidence of rampant gay hate crimes in Russia, they wouldn’t need to wait until an international sporting event takes place in Russia to raise the alarm. While violent attacks on homosexuals sometimes take place in Russia, just like in many other European countries, this does not mean that they are condoned, supported or, let alone, encouraged by the Government. Such attacks are few and far between and by no means reflect general sentiments of the Russian people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/winter-olympics/10632071/What-about-Britains-gingers-Russia-attacks-Channel-4-over-gay-rights-film.html