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Secret plan to put remote kill switch in every European car revealed

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  • #2
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    I wouldn't panic just yet - the Telegraph will say pretty much anything to get a dig in at the EU.


  • #3
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Looks like a thinktank idea to me.

    IT's not like its being implemented or something.


  • #4
    SleeperService
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭SleeperService


    Black boxes in new cars are in the regulations in the near enough future, not too much of a stretch to see this once people have got used to that. Be 2030 before one trickles down to me so an abstract concept for now at least.


  • #5
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Ah sure when that time comes, folk will be able to purchase an electromagnetic repulse system to deflect the kill switch signal from reaching the turn-off switch.


  • #6
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    It's to combat car crime, it has to be a good idea.


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  • #7
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    corktina wrote: »
    It's to combat car crime, it has to be a good idea.

    It's a good Idea for that particular scenario, but what happens when your hacked, or problems with this new technology ? especially if it was controlled in Ireland.

    I wouldn't fancy being shut down on the long motorway, or in the middle of no-where. I think this happened in America before.


  • #8
    MrDerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭MrDerp


    "Ah there's yer problem bud ... you've a faulty kill switch controller, that's why your car won't start. There must be some water after getting in. I can fit ya a new one for 671 euro + VAT."

    More electronics - whoop


  • #9
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    To be honest, the tech exists for that to be implemented right now. The problem would be certifying its 'fail safe' As was readily point out, you could easily jam it (Making it useless for police purposes) or it could malfunction in the middle of no where, leaving you stranded. Its clearly a 'any one have any bright ideas, stick it in the suggest box' type of idea from people with no background in implementation. Yet another fine example of electing and allowing people hold offices in departments they have no formal training in.


  • #10
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    We don't need this technology, it will just cost too much and is pointless.

    If people just bothered to Alarm their car and keep the bloody car-keys in a safer place than in front of your letter-box so that a thief can use his fishing rod to get to there would be no need. Well for hijacking, it would be handy but there's not many of these.

    An alarm on the car, it's soo easy and cheaper.


  • #11
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Well there was a banjaxed kill-switch installed in cars in the 1990's...

    I remember six years ago I had this 1998 rover 400i and it may as well had a kill-switch in it, because the garbage immobiliser installed would kill the starter from starting. I was stuck once 40 miles away from home and had to get 3 bus's back. The following trip back to the car was the same and it started first go.

    Immobilisers are bad enough, but this new stuff can turn out to be as bad. Who needs it.


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  • #12
    SleeperService
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭SleeperService


    zenno wrote: »
    It's a good Idea for that particular scenario, but what happens when your hacked, or problems with this new technology ? especially if it was controlled in Ireland.
    Yeah, whole database of necessary codes left on unencrypted laptops in an excel file, public service / semi state style. "Shur we put a password on da excel file? Be grand like"


  • #13
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    SleeperService wrote: »
    Yeah, whole database of necessary codes left on unencrypted laptops in an excel file, public service / semi state style. "Shur we put a password on da excel file? Be grand like"

    It is a valid point, sure just look at the amount of laptops stolen from government and businesses, and the amount of people that gain employment in areas where they want to steal this information. The security measures implemented in most businesses/companies and government here in Ireland including banks is a joke.


  • #14
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    zenno wrote: »
    We don't need this technology, it will just cost too much and is pointless.

    If people just bothered to Alarm their car and keep the bloody car-keys in a safer place than in front of your letter-box so that a thief can use his fishing rod to get to there would be no need. Well for hijacking, it would be handy but there's not many of these.

    An alarm on the car, it's soo easy and cheaper.

    The end result of cars you can't steal without the keys has been an increase in house breaking to steal keys and raised awareness of this issue and people minding their keys more has been an increase in car-jacking.These are very personal assaults. All avenues to combat car crime should be implemented.


  • #15
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    corktina wrote: »
    The end result of cars you can't steal without the keys has been an increase in house breaking to steal keys and raised awareness of this issue and people minding their keys more has been an increase in car-jacking.These are very personal assaults. All avenues to combat car crime should be implemented.

    Better home security needs to be dealt with in that case regarding break-ins for keys. I can see this being a lot easier if people were more security-wise with their car keys and home. Most folk make it too easy for burglars in such cases.


  • #16
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Would not it be better to use chip and pin technology on cars so that you could not start it without the pin...or indeed the retina technology we here about. It seems to me to be better to stop the car being stolen than to stop it after the event, or is the real agenda to be able to stop anyone found to be driving illegally (ie no insurance/drunk etc)?


  • #17
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    zenno wrote: »
    Well there was a banjaxed kill-switch installed in cars in the 1990's...

    I remember six years ago I had this 1998 rover 400i and it may as well had a kill-switch in it, because the garbage immobiliser installed would kill the starter from starting. I was stuck once 40 miles away from home and had to get 3 bus's back. The following trip back to the car was the same and it started first go.

    Immobilisers are bad enough, but this new stuff can turn out to be as bad. Who needs it.

    There's your problem! ;)


  • #18
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    There's your problem! ;)

    I know. When I hear the word rover, I think of head-gasket. :)


  • #19
    Mikros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Mikros


    The "secret plan" is a one paragraph proposal to examine the feasability of a remote stop technology by the European Network of Law Enforcement Technology Services (Enlets), which is part of te EU Council's Law Enforcement Working Party. The PDF of the work programme is available here.

    So there's nothing remotely agreed, there's nothing that is going to be imposed. The technology doesn't even exist. It is just a proposal to examine the idea.

    So basically the Telegraph are talking out their arse about the EU as per usual.


  • #20
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,401 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I wouldn't panic just yet - the Telegraph will say pretty much anything to get a dig in at the EU.

    All new cars in the EU will be fitted with the eCall system from 01/01/15. That's pretty big brother to me, kill switch is only a small step further

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  • #21
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    corktina wrote: »
    The end result of cars you can't steal without the keys has been an increase in house breaking to steal keys and raised awareness of this issue and people minding their keys more has been an increase in car-jacking.These are very personal assaults. All avenues to combat car crime should be implemented.

    Indeed.

    And for the usual reasons, where even modest semi-d's built in the '70s had garages, they now don't even have driveways half the time. Locking the car is good, taking it out of circulation altogether is even better.

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  • #22
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    unkel wrote: »
    All new cars in the EU will be fitted with the eCall system from 01/01/15. That's pretty big brother to me, kill switch is only a small step further
    That's interesting, I'd never heard of that. It's a small step in terms of technology, but a big one in terms of intrusiveness. Although IMO the potential for misuse of a kill switch is very limited compared to the kind of surveillence that we're currently subject to.


  • #23
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    unkel wrote: »
    All new cars in the EU will be fitted with the eCall system from 01/01/15. That's pretty big brother to me, kill switch is only a small step further

    http://www.commercialmotor.com/latest-news/eu-publish-final-tachograph-proposals

    Looks like all vehicles will be tracked and subject to remote surveillance in the future.

    Sinister.


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