Am I for or against gay marriage?

Fighting Irish

I am not a religious person at all

I think it's ridiculous that religions change their views/rules constantly

I also believe that everybody should be allowed do exactly what they want as long as it doesn't affect anybody else negatively


So, if somebody asked me if i was for or against gay marriage, what should i say? Yes or No?

Nemeses

Depends on your statement above.

Does it affect you? if not.. then well, there's ya answer.

shanered

I think you would be in the "undecided" category going by your post.

Links234

If you believe that folks should do what they want as long as it doesn't negatively effect anyone else, then perhaps you might follow through with that and say yes? Religion doesn't come into it, and if someone's religion is against gay marriage, don't get married to a gay person then. It's like religions that ban the eating of pork, they're not lobbying around trying to stop everyone else eating pork.

jimboblep

Whatever you believe yay or nay
Make up your own mind and stand by it

Fighting Irish

Nemeses wrote: »

Depends on your statement above.

Does it affect you? if not.. then well, there's ya answer.

But i believe religions shouldn't be allowed change their views(usually just to keep followers)

Fighting Irish

jimboblep wrote: »

Whatever you believe yay or nay
Make up your own mind and stand by it

That's the thing, i'm not sure, i need help

keeponhurling

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

I suggest to try gay marriage, and report back on how it was for you

Nino Brown

You don't have to be for it or against it. I just couldn't give a F either way.

My name is URL

The whole idea of what marriage is is what's retarded.

Fighting Irish

Links234 wrote: »

If you believe that folks should do what they want as long as it doesn't negatively effect anyone else, then perhaps you might follow through with that and say yes? Religion doesn't come into it, and if someone's religion is against gay marriage, don't get married to a gay person then. It's like religions that ban the eating of pork, they're not lobbying around trying to stop everyone else eating pork.

But i believe the catholic church has huge powers in this country and i don't think it should be allowed change it views

Fighting Irish

My name is URL wrote: »

The whole idea of what marriage is is what's retarded.

Agreed but that has nothing to do with what i'm asking

Links234

Fighting Irish wrote: »

But i believe religions shouldn't be allowed change their views(usually just to keep followers)

Nobody is asking them to though

Fighting Irish

keeponhurling wrote: »

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

I suggest to try gay marriage, and report back on how it was for you

How much does it cost?

jimboblep

Fighting Irish wrote: »

That's the thing, i'm not sure, i need help

What difference does it make to you if two gay people who you will probably not know get married
I think my favourite line on this whole debate was
"Let them marry why should straight people be the only ones miserable

J_E

Look at the pros and cons and make a decision. It's not really for someone to decide for you.

I would say though, that it is a positive leap to a more equal nation. That's my opinion.

thegreatgonzo

Fighting Irish wrote: »

So, if somebody asked me if i was for or against gay marriage, what should i say? Yes or No?

I don't know what you should say but I think you should be allowed say it provided you are respectful and sincere.

Rachiee

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It pre dates Christianity and atheists get married every day of the week. People are looking for the right to get a civil marriage which encompasses almost 500 separate legal rights. 300 of which are not included in civil partnership.

jimboblep

My personal opinion is it doesnt effect me
But it will make somone happy so why not

Fighting Irish

Links234 wrote: »

Nobody is asking them to though

oh right so this is all about how the government sees you?

Nino Brown

OP when you say married, do you mean in a church?

Because getting married doesn't have anything to do with religion if you don't want it to.

Fighting Irish

jimboblep wrote: »

What difference does it make to you if two gay people who you will probably not know get married
I think my favourite line on this whole debate was
"Let them marry why should straight people be the only ones miserable

It doesn't matter a **** really, i'm just wondering

Knasher

Fighting Irish wrote: »

But i believe religions shouldn't be allowed change their views(usually just to keep followers)

They don't actually change their views that often. Divorce was legalized in Ireland, but the church doesn't recognize any divorce and will refuse to conduct a marriage ceremony for somebody it considers still married. They really don't change their views, they just stop reminding people what their views are, and eventually a generation dies off and nobody really remembers what the old view was, unless they run up against it.

How many Catholics know that they are meant to believe that the wine and wafer literally turn into Jesus blood and flesh, as opposed to figuratively like the Protestants believe?

J_E

Fighting Irish wrote: »

oh right so this is all about how the government sees you?

It is civil marriage. Not religiously affiliated. Too many people are getting the terms muddled up.

Absoluvely

Rachiee wrote: »

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It pre dates Christianity and atheists get married every day of the week. People are looking for the right to get a civil marriage which encompasses almost 500 separate legal rights. 300 of which are not included in civil partnership.

Atheists only get married Monday to Friday.





Because civil marriage registrars don't work weekends. :pac:

HSE wrote:

All offices provide appointments and ceremonies subject to availability on the stated days and excluding weekends and bank/public holidays.

http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/crsappointment/

jimboblep

Fighting Irish wrote: »

It doesn't matter a **** really, i'm just wondering

Well theres your answer it doesnt matter to you
So why be against something you dont care about

losthorizon

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I am not a religious person at all

I think it's ridiculous that religions change their views/rules constantly

I also believe that everybody should be allowed do exactly what they want as long as it doesn't affect anybody else negatively


So, if somebody asked me if i was for or against gay marriage, what should i say? Yes or No?

You have to remember that in the referendum it really should have nothing to do with religion. Its all about civil marriage. Gay people after the referendum ever if their is a yes vote will still not be allowed to get married in church and thats fair enough but in the eyes of the state if you want to be married wether straight or gay and be recognized as such in law you have to have a civil marriage as well. Most people just sign a document in church.

Personally imo its a civil and law matter whether two humans want to be recognized under law as being joined together in a partnership. Their sex is irrelevant imo.

Knasher

Fighting Irish wrote: »

oh right so this is all about how the government sees you?

It's about what rights the state affords couples, like the right to visit, and possibly make medical decisions for a sick spouse.

Hande hoche!

Links234 wrote: »

If you believe that folks should do what they want as long as it doesn't negatively effect anyone else, then perhaps you might follow through with that and say yes? Religion doesn't come into it, and if someone's religion is against gay marriage, don't get married to a gay person then. It's like religions that ban the eating of pork, they're not lobbying around trying to stop everyone else eating pork.

That's a good comparison, kudos :cool:.

thegreatgonzo

Knasher wrote: »

How many Catholics know that they are meant to believe that the wine and wafer literally turn into Jesus blood and flesh, as opposed to figuratively like the Protestants believe?

They haven't stopped telling people about transubstantiation.

Knasher

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

They haven't stopped telling people about transubstantiation.

They tell you all right, but how many Catholics do you think actually know they mean it literally rather than figuratively? Because I always assumed that they meant it figuratively, and that little difference between Catholicism and Protestantism was never explained to me.

artanevilla

Taken from Cracked.com

If You Are a Heterosexual and Do NOT Want to Enter into a Homosexual Marriage:

You will not be required to marry a gay person. This is a common misunderstanding. This decision actually does not affect you in any way.

If You Are Currently in a Heterosexual Marriage:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are a Heterosexual Who Is Not Currently Married:

This decision does not affect you in any way.



If You Are a Heterosexual Who Hopes to Eventually Marry:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are a Member of a Church That Performs Wedding Ceremonies but That Does Not Believe in Gay Marriage:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are a Religious Official Who Performs Wedding Ceremonies but Who Thinks Gay Marriage Is Wrong:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are an Individual Who Believes Gay Marriage or Homosexuality in General Is Wrong for Religious Reasons, and Wish to Continue Expressing Those Beliefs:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are an Individual Who Believes Gay Marriage or Homosexuality in General Is Wrong for Non-Religious Reasons, and Wish to Continue Expressing Those Beliefs:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are a Heterosexual Who Fears This Decision Adversely Affects Your Marriage or the Concept of Marriage in General:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are a Heterosexual Who Fears This Decision Negatively Affects You in Some Way:

This decision does not affect you in any way.

If You Are a Heterosexual Who Suffers Anger or Anxiety at the Thought of Gay Couples Getting Married as an Abstract Concept, and Believes the Only Cure Is to Legally Prevent Gay Marriage:

This decision will cause you some degree of anger or anxiety. Otherwise, this decision does not affect you in any way.

Hope this helps!

Skittlebrau

Rachiee wrote: »

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It pre dates Christianity and atheists get married every day of the week. People are looking for the right to get a civil marriage which encompasses almost 500 separate legal rights. 300 of which are not included in civil partnership.

I'd there a list of these 500 / 300 rights. Am genuinely curious

Links234

Fighting Irish wrote: »

oh right so this is all about how the government sees you?

Pretty much, yes.

Just as the catholic church doesn't perform marriages for anyone except catholics, nobody is going to be banging down their doors to get them to perform ceremonies for LGBT couples either.

LookingFor

I think it's ridiculous that religions change their views/rules constantly

I also believe that everybody should be allowed do exactly what they want as long as it doesn't affect anybody else negatively

By this you should easily be for.

Marriage by the state has nothing to do with religions. 'Catholic marriage' for example, and 'civil marriage' are two entirely separate things. If you divorce under the state, the CC still considers you married. They can marry or not marry who they want. That will be the same regardless of any civil laws re. marriage equality, and all that is being lobbied for is marriage equality under civil law.

thegreatgonzo

Knasher wrote: »

They tell you all right, but how many Catholics do you think actually know they mean it literally rather than figuratively? Because I always assumed that they meant it figuratively, and that little difference between Catholicism and Protestantism was never explained to me.

Well I can only speak for myself but I do know plenty of people that do. For one thing, it features a lot in the history of the reformation which a lot of people whether they are practicing Catholics or not would have an interest in. I remember it from my junior cert actually.

MusicLifeMan

Love is love. Let it be.

Everyone wants the feeling of love and everyone should have the right to.
Religion said homosexuality is a sin, that's old, times are changing(Religion has said a lot of stuff and hypocritically contradicted what they preach, that was history, like this silly argument should be).

YES to gay marriage. ^_^

Donkey Oaty

Knasher wrote: »

It's about what rights the state affords couples, like the right to visit, and possibly make medical decisions for a sick spouse.

Very good point, often overlooked.

Arthur Beesley

Is there an indifferent option? Or is this like any discussion on abortion where you can only be on one side of the fence?

SPS1

Rachiee wrote: »

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. It pre dates Christianity and atheists get married every day of the week. People are looking for the right to get a civil marriage which encompasses almost 500 separate legal rights. 300 of which are not included in civil partnership.

So as of this standing moment, a straight atheist couple who wed in the eyes of the state, receive extra benefits that a gay couple who wed in the eyes of the state do not? ie a marriage vs a partnership.

And gay people are NOT looking to be married in institutions (churches etc) that oppose on religious grounds, same sex marriage?

Honestly OP, there are enough threads on this subject without starting another one.