AMD Mantle - Lets test it

ED E

Hey all,

Strictly this should be in Graphics but that forum is dead....

So, I thought it'd be fun to try out Mantle and see what kind of performance boost we might see in games in the coming months. According to Linus and Slick the benefit will be seen a lot on Strong GPU + Weak CPU setups. Lets find out.

If we all use the same format it'll be easy to read:

Run: [Run Number]
GPU: [Model][Brand][CORE/MEM Clock][Crossfire if applicable]
CPU: [Model][Clock]
RAM: [#GB]

=DirectX=
Resolution:
Total Frames:
Average Unit Count:
Average FPS:

=Mantle=
Resolution:
Total Frames:
Average Unit Count:
Average FPS:

Test using default settings (unless anyone has a better suggestion?), those being:
Scenario: Follow
Settings: Extreme
Stress Test: Timed Run 6 Mins

Green team, you can go save for a gSync panel

ED-E

ED E

Run: 1
GPU: 7870 Club3D RK 1050/1200
CPU: Q6600 3.51Ghz(from 2.4)
RAM: 8GB

=DirectX=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 8635
Average Unit Count: 3926
Average FPS: 23.99

=Mantle=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 13139
Average Unit Count: 4065
Average FPS: 36.50


I watched AB while it was running, in the DirextX test GPU was at 35% load for a lot of the test. Its probably biased towards CPU load so I dont know how much of this will be seen in real gaming, but a free ~40% performance boost on my current setup would be awesome. Doubt you 4770k heads will see the same.

I'll add an overclocked run later.

yawhat!

Terrible for me at 1440P. Very Very sluggish with resolution scale turned up even a small bit.

marco_polo

Some GPU stock/overclocked results with a HD7950 and i5-2500k at stock 3.3GHz.

Would have expected mantle to gain more than DX11 with the GPU OC but then again its not really what you could call a true benchmark because it is so dynamic, you'd really need alot of runs to average it all out I suppose.

== Configuration ==========================================
API: DirectX
Scenario: ScenarioFollow.csv
User Input: Disabled
Resolution: 1920x1080
Fullscreen: True
GameCore Update: 16.6 ms
Bloom Quality: High
PointLight Quality: High
ToneCurve Quality: High
Glare Overdraw: 16
Shading Samples: 64
Shade Quality: Mid
Deferred Contexts: Disabled
Temporal AA Duration: 16
Temporal AA Time Slice: 2
Detailed Frame Info: Off
===========================================================

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz

GPU: HD7950 @ 925/1200

DX11

== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 9515

Average FPS: 26.43
Average Unit Count: 3726
Maximum Unit Count: 5448
Average Batches/MS: 441.71
Maximum Batches/MS: 1127.80
Average Batch Count: 19188
Maximum Batch Count: 88547
===========================================================

Mantle

== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 16406

Average FPS: 45.57
Average Unit Count: 4270
Maximum Unit Count: 5433
Average Batches/MS: 773.81
Maximum Batches/MS: 2055.09
Average Batch Count: 19147
Maximum Batch Count: 103982
===========================================================

GPU: HD7950 @ 1150/1450

DX11

== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 11194

Average FPS: 31.09
Average Unit Count: 4202
Maximum Unit Count: 5667
Average Batches/MS: 539.71
Maximum Batches/MS: 1126.32
Average Batch Count: 19856
Maximum Batch Count: 159961
===========================================================

Mantle

== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 17559

Average FPS: 48.77
Average Unit Count: 4678
Maximum Unit Count: 5815
Average Batches/MS: 833.15
Maximum Batches/MS: 1966.95
Average Batch Count: 19650
Maximum Batch Count: 74642
===========================================================

twinsen

I am getting more frames with mantle, but stuttering is destroying all the fun. I would be getting drops to 20fps from 80...

yawhat!

What App ye using to test?

twinsen

~
perfoverlay.drawfps 1
apparently Fraps will not work

marco_polo

yawhat! wrote: »

What App ye using to test?

Starswarm demo on steam is the only non BF4 game/bench with mantle support.

ED E

yawhat! wrote: »

What App ye using to test?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/267130/

yawhat!

marco_polo wrote: »

Starswarm demo on steam is the only non BF4 game/bench with mantle support.

I have battlefield 4, sorry for the newb question. Fraps not working for me!

twinsen

yawhat! wrote: »

I have battlefield 4, sorry for the newb question. Fraps not working for me!

Fraps will not work until they will release update for mantle.

yawhat!

twinsen wrote: »

Fraps will not work until they will release update for mantle.

What app ye using to test battlefield 4 with?

twinsen

During game press ¬ and type perfoverlay.drawfps 1

ED E

Overclocking my GPU is dropping my framerates :S Temps all in check. Wonder if its being power starved...?

EoinHef

How stable is 14.1? Reluctant to grab it incase its unstable at the moment. I know its only out but just looking for first impressions

ED E

EoinHef wrote: »

How stable is 14.1? Reluctant to grab it incase its unstable at the moment. I know its only out but just looking for first impressions

I triggered a premature ghost image before installing it but no signs of any trouble yet.

marco_polo

This seems to be the point the star swarm demo is trying to hammer home, look at all the time spent in the DX11 driver.

marco_polo

EoinHef wrote: »

How stable is 14.1? Reluctant to grab it incase its unstable at the moment. I know its only out but just looking for first impressions

In principle what is already in the driver from previous versions should be fairly stable, I doubt much or the core of the driver has changed a whole lot outside of tacking on additional support for mantle, HSA for APUs, and frame pacing for multi monitor.

That said if none of those things are of any great interest to you, might as well wait for an official release version and let others be the crash test dummies .

EoinHef

marco_polo wrote: »

In principle what is already in the driver from previous versions should be fairly stable, I doubt much or the core of the driver has changed a whole lot outside of tacking on additional support for mantle, HSA for APUs, and frame pacing for multi monitor.

That said if none of those things are of any great interest to you, might as well wait for an official release version and let others be the crash test dummies .

Think i will wait for the moment,i have read mantle is not working well with crossfire in BF4 and that is the only game id be playing using it.

13.12 is working so well for me.

Sorry for taking thread off-topic,my next post will contain results,hopefully soon:)

yawhat!

EoinHef wrote: »

Think i will wait for the moment,i have read mantle is not working well with crossfire in BF4 and that is the only game id be playing using it.

13.12 is working so well for me.

Sorry for taking thread off-topic,my next post will contain results,hopefully soon:)

Its brutal for me with a single card!

marco_polo

yawhat! wrote: »

Its brutal for me with a single card!

Did you fully uninstall the old drivers alot are having problems with that, usually you can just install them over the old ones but nof for this beta apparently.

The other thing I have seen is that you have to restart the game as well after switching to mantle to get good performance as well

ED E

ED E wrote: »

=DirectX=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 8635
Average Unit Count: 3926
Average FPS: 23.99

=Mantle=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 13139
Average Unit Count: 4065
Average FPS: 36.50

OC to 1200/1400 => 18.99 and 37.76

The same OC brings 3DM11 from x2277 to x2538.

Not sure Swarm is quite reliable yet. I notice utilization of CPU and GPU plummet mid bench and it only manages 5-7fps.

kevovek

Run: [1]
Extreme Preset
GPU: [7950 + 7870XT][Sapphire + Club 3D][1100/1350 on both][Crossfire]
CPU: [FX 6300][4.4Ghz]
RAM: [8GB]

=DirectX=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 7490
Average Unit Count: 3978
Average FPS: 20.80

=Mantle=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 18492
Average Unit Count: 4421
Average FPS: 51.36

Going to up the core clocks to 1200 and try another run in a bit.

ED E

kevovek wrote: »

Run: [1]
Extreme Preset
GPU: [7950 + 7870XT][Sapphire + Club 3D][1100/1350 on both][Crossfire]
CPU: [FX 6300][4.4Ghz]
RAM: [8GB]

=DirectX=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 7490
Average Unit Count: 3978
Average FPS: 20.80

=Mantle=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 18492
Average Unit Count: 4421
Average FPS: 51.36

Going to up the core clocks to 1200 and try another run in a bit.

This is the perfect setup to demo Mantles advantage. And wow does it show.

TerrorFirmer

4670k and r9 290.

With 13.12, silkly smooth on ultra 2560x1080.

With 14.1, much lower framerate on same settings using DX, still playable.

With 14.1, abysmal unplayable framerate at those settings using Mantle API, averaging about 30-40, hits 10-12 fps at times.

yimrsg

Run: [Run Number]
GPU: [280x Top][Asus][1070/1600]
CPU: [i5-4670K][3.40GHz]
RAM: [8GB]

=DirectX=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 12893
Average Unit Count: 4167
Average FPS: 35.81

=Mantle=
Resolution: 1920x1080
Total Frames: 18883
Average Unit Count: 4520
Average FPS: 52.45

I think the unit numbers are random for Star swarm sp you'd need to do several runs.