Getting Freesat and German channels to 1 TV?

jpb14

Just running lots of co-ax and cat6 around the house at the moment for a satelite system.
Id like to get the Freesat channels,Irish channels and also some German sports channels to 2 TV and set topbox locations downstairs in the house.
My house is in Dublin City.
I have 2 questions to ask.
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1-Will a 60cm dish be able to recieve German channels if its hooked up with 2 LNBs to recieve freesat and german channels?

2-Can I also have the record function on the freesat channnels?

Please help me out here as Im a tad baffled and confused by all the info available,bit overwhelmed actually.

swoofer

Use a triax 78cm to be more accurate. You need a special bracket to hold the 2 lnbs. You aim the dish at 23% and will need to move lnb's along bracket to pick up the sats. Use a quad lnb on 28east and a freesat recorder so you can for 2 channels etc. You should get saorview approved tv's. You can get a combo box but recording is complex.

look at this post

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056341807

jpb14

GBCULLEN wrote: »

Use a triax 78cm to be more accurate. You need a special bracket to hold the 2 lnbs. You aim the dish at 23% and will need to move lnb's along bracket to pick up the sats. Use a quad lnb on 28east and a freesat recorder so you can for 2 channels etc. You should get saorview approved tv's. You can get a combo box but recording is complex.

look at this post

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056341807

Thanks,recently bought a Technomate 80cm dish,twin LNB holder bracket and 2 octo LNBs.Also was sold some disteque switches too.
Just a tad confused while sat here looking at all of it trying to figure out what way to mount it and install it.
Idealy I want to have the TV in the sitting room and out in the kitchen fed with Freesat and German channles so that I have the option to watch my motorbike racing and football on German Eurosport but also be able to watch the british touring cars on ITV4.
I also want to be able to have record function for the kids and wife so that they can record some of their programmes off of Freesat when we are out for the afternoon.
Ive also got 4 bedrooms to feed but am not bothered about record functions or german channels in the bedrooms.Freesat will do the bedrooms just fine.

Peter Rhea

For each tuner, you intend to have UK & German channels available to, you will need a DiSEqC switch. The switches can be installed near the dish & you only need run a single cable to the relevant tuner.

Actual Freesat boxes might not be the best choice here: some of them don't even have DiSEqC ability iirc.

swoofer

OK I dont know how expert you are but there are lots of postings on here on how to set up multiple lnb's. 80cm dish is fine and you did say 60cm in first post!

Diseq switches are used to switch between more than one satellite and they are controlled by the receiver. You need to say a lot more eg how many receivers have you got or will get? How expert are you, eg what have you got at present? Why did you buy octo lnbs, they have 8 outputs each and are heavy!!

To get 28east and 19east you need a special bracket. A twin lnb holder is only for sats close together ie 19 and 13e.

Each sat is positioned slightly different in the sky so bracket has to compensate. So to get you started here is an image of a dish getting 3 sats.

Peter Rhea

GBCULLEN wrote: »

To get 28east and 19east you need a special bracket. A twin lnb holder is only for sats close together ie 19 and 13e.

What? It isn't a monoblock LNB they're talking about (& even some of those are adjustable for a pretty wide spread).

jpb14

Just to clarify,its an 80cm Technomate dish that I bought.

I was just wondering in the opening post if a 60cm dish would pick up German channels aswell as the Freesat UK chnnels aswell.
But from what Ive read an 80cm dish is a better option for what I want.
I bought 2 Opticom "octo" LNBs and a Triax "flexiblock" twin LNB holder for feeding the set top boxes and TVs.Also the disteque switches aswell.All the equipement is brand new shop bought.
Im fairly handy at the DIY but actual satelite instalation is a new one for me.But Ive no problem in giving it a go.

Peter Rhea

jpb14 wrote: »

I bought 2 Opticom "octo" LNBs and a Triax "flexiblock" twin LNB holder

This holder? Should be alright in terms of spacing, hopefully it will tilt enough too for optimum reception. Presumably it fits the Technomate dish.

excollier

Try this:
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/251219648406?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
It will let you use the original lnb holder and set an lnb on centre focus. I've fitted a few and they are very good.

jpb14

Peter Rhea wrote: »

This holder? Should be alright in terms of spacing, hopefully it will tilt enough too for optimum reception. Presumably it fits the Technomate dish.

Thats it,spacing from 3 to 10 degrees.It fits the Technomate LNB arm,as its the same as the Triax arm.
If Im using the disteque switches to bring the 2 satelites signals in on 1 co ax cable to each TV,can I still record my Freesat channels?
Do I need a special set top box for this?
Or is recording out of the question when using the disteque switches?

Peter Rhea

DiSEqC: Digital Satellite Equipment Control.

You would need a twin tuner receiver to watch German/record UK.

jpb14

Peter Rhea wrote: »

DiSEqC: Digital Satellite Equipment Control.

You would need a twin tuner receiver to watch German/record UK.

Brilliant.So a twin tuner receiver will let me watch 1 satelite and record the other at the same time with the 1 co-ax feeding both the german and uk channels via the diseqc switch.

Can you recommend a good twin tuner receiver that wont break the bank on me?
Would need 2 of them,1 for living room TV and one for kitchen TV.

Peter Rhea

The twin-tuner receiver will need 2 cables & 2 switches: 1 cable & 1 switch for each tuner. Each tuner can then select any channel from either satellite (watch UK/record UK, watch German/record UK etc.).

Haven't enough experience of receivers to really recommend anything.

jpb14

Peter Rhea wrote: »

The twin-tuner receiver will need 2 cables & 2 switches: 1 cable & 1 switch for each tuner. Each tuner can then select any channel from either satellite (watch UK/record UK, watch German/record UK etc.).

Haven't enough experience of receivers to really recommend anything.

So it will be 4 cables from the satelite dish (2 from each lnb) into 2 diseqc switches and then 1 cable from each diseqc switch down to each tuner input on the back of the receiver
Is that it or have I got it wrong?

The Cush

jpb14 wrote: »

So it will be 4 cables from the satelite dish (2 from each lnb) into 2 diseqc switches and then 1 cable from each diseqc switch down to each tuner input on the back of the receiver
Is that it or have I got it wrong?

That's it.

I use a Humax iCord - twin tuners, DiSEqC switching etc. but no 7 guide for the UK channels as it's basically a FTA satellite and not a Freesat receiver. Timers can be set manually for the UK channels.

What DiSEqC switches did you buy?

jpb14

The Cush wrote: »

That's it.

I use a Humax iCord - twin tuners, DiSEqC switching etc. but no 7 guide for the UK channels as it's basically a FTA satellite and not a Freesat receiver. Timers can be set manually for the UK channels.

What DiSEqC switches did you buy?

Wow,thats a fair whack of euros on a receiver.
Dont think Id have the budget for that as I would need to get 2 receivers,1 for siting room and 1 for kitchen.
I got Technomate diseqc switches.

jester77

I've a similar setup except based in Germany. 90cm satellite on roof with 2 quattro LNBs. 8 cables are feeding down from the LNBs into a diseqc switch in the basement. I have 4 cables going to the living room and single cables going to the other rooms as I don't need recording functionality in the other rooms.

I currently have the iCord evolution (it comes with 4 tuners if you have a unicable setup) in the living room, it takes 2 cables so that I can record from one satellite and watch the other. You can sort the German and freesat channels so that you have one nice list.

The only issue is that the freesat channels only have now/next functionality. Not a big deal for me as 90% of what watch on freesat is live sport. You would need a freesat box to get the full 7 day listing.

jpb14

jester77 wrote: »

I've a similar setup except based in Germany. 90cm satellite on roof with 2 quattro LNBs. 8 cables are feeding down from the LNBs into a diseqc switch in the basement. I have 4 cables going to the living room and single cables going to the other rooms as I don't need recording functionality in the other rooms.

I currently have the iCord evolution (it comes with 4 tuners if you have a unicable setup) in the living room, it takes 2 cables so that I can record from one satellite and watch the other. You can sort the German and freesat channels so that you have one nice list.

The only issue is that the freesat channels only have now/next functionality. Not a big deal for me as 90% of what watch on freesat is live sport. You would need a freesat box to get the full 7 day listing.

Good to know,thanks.Like you,Ive no need for recording in the bedrooms or kids playroom.So that will be less cables to worry about.