Advice on new engine

MICKEYG

Looking for some advice. I have a 02 Ford Mondeo 1.8 petrol saloon with 105,000 miles. I have had it since new and am very happy with it. Yesterday it got very jumpy and after an examination by Ford it turns out that the compression in two of the cylinders is way down and I need a new engine.
A brand new engine in Ford is 6,000 (which to be fair to Ford they said it would not make sense to do this). IVI on teh Naas Road will do a second hand one for €1,600.

Any experience with IVI? Is it worth putting €1,600 into a car that old.
Would I get anything for the car as it is now. I cant sell it as it wont drive properly so thinking of scrappage.

Thanks in advance for help/advice.

Supergurrier

In the immortal words of Disco Stu

"Walk away, not today disco lady "

biko

Tbh, I'd just use the 1600 to buy another old car and scrap the Ford.

bazz26

You could buy another 12 year old Mondeo for €1600. If it were me I'd just move on and put the money towards something else. It served you well but time to move it on imo.

MICKEYG

Many thanks for the responses. Small tear in eye getting rid of this but seems the right thing to do.
Is there any value in the car or should I just bring it to one of the End of Life Vehicles (ELV) Authorised Treatment Facilities?

toyotaavensis

Shop around and you might be able to get an engine put into it for less.
If you ring scrap yards some will sell you an engine for 3/400. Then find a local lad to put it in for another few hundred.
Would be a shame to scrap it if you could keep it on the road for 6/800

pippip

Could we entice you with anything in the Boards Showroom

jimgoose

Umm, do we know why compression is down on two pots?

SleeperService

toyotaavensis wrote: »

Shop around and you might be able to get an engine put into it for less.
If you ring scrap yards some will sell you an engine for 3/400. Then find a local lad to put it in for another few hundred.
Would be a shame to scrap it if you could keep it on the road for 6/800

Personally, id rather gamble it on horses than the chances of getting one of those engines that wasn't scrap.

Scrap it, move on. 150yoyo from a metals recycling place id say. Maybe sell a few parts off it if you could to claw back some more.

My 2c.

Notch000

if you really love it, ring round and get someone to fit a second hand engine for you, just get one off a scrap yard, its still going to run into a good few hundred tho. Guess 300 ot buy & 3-500 to fix.
yuor own engine could probably be rebuilt too

dr.fuzzenstein

jimgoose wrote: »

Umm, do we know why compression is down on two pots?

That, +1
It seems that nowadays car dealers are saying "there's a misfire, better shcrap her, may I direct you to our very well stocked showroom!"
Why no compression? Could this be a simple matter of valves or rings needing attention or is it a case of valve head having dropped into the cylinder, wrecking the engine completely?

MICKEYG

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That, +1
It seems that nowadays car dealers are saying "there's a misfire, better shcrap her, may I direct you to our very well stocked showroom!"
Why no compression? Could this be a simple matter of valves or rings needing attention or is it a case of valve head having dropped into the cylinder, wrecking the engine completely?

It was a Ford garage that performed the computer diagnostics and told me the issue. They then said that they would not put a new engine in a car that old and directed me to IVI. There does not seem to be any upside for them in suggesting a replacement engine.

JohnBoy26

Aren't those engines problematic with oil issues. I wouldn't chance a second hand engine, you could end up back at square one and €1600 out of pocket.

dr.fuzzenstein

MICKEYG wrote: »

It was a Ford garage that performed the computer diagnostics and told me the issue. They then said that they would not put a new engine in a car that old and directed me to IVI. There does not seem to be any upside for them in suggesting a replacement engine.

Well, they told you the symptom, i.e. low compression on two cylinders, but why is the compression low? There has to be a reason and it could very well be something that's fixable, but not through a Ford garage, that will cost you more than a replacement car.
Once we know exactly what is causing the low compression, we can hazard a guess as to what is the best course of action.
Personally, if it was me and I knew the car was most likely junk anyway, I'd have a go at fixing it largely myself, but taking out pistons is not an easy thing to do at home...

jimgoose

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Aren't those engines problematic with oil issues. I wouldn't chance a second hand engine, you could end up back at square one and €1600 out of pocket.

The 1800 Zetec is hard-as-nails. But like most Ford units it'll get thick with you if you don't keep on top of the oil situation.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, they told you the symptom, i.e. low compression on two cylinders, but why is the compression low? There has to be a reason and it could very well be something that's fixable, but not through a Ford garage, that will cost you more than a replacement car.
Once we know exactly what is causing the low compression, we can hazard a guess as to what is the best course of action.
Personally, if it was me and I knew the car was most likely junk anyway, I'd have a go at fixing it largely myself, but taking out pistons is not an easy thing to do at home...

Precisely, Herr Professor-Doktor. Leakdown test, drop of 20W-50 oil down the spark-plug hole before repeating compression test, is she throwing smoke at cold-start or with the boot down, etc. Also, with the amount of valve overlap in any modern-ish yoke, valvegear/timing that's worn can throw the timing out sufficiently that a problematic amount of compression goes whistling out the exhaust, or even back out the inlet. Think pissing up a downpipe.

galwaytt

Why buy someone else's trouble ?

If op has it since new, and it's in good condition, then I'd certainly think about repairing it. ... Not 6k obviously, it'd still be a good car at 600...

toyotaavensis

Another option could be repair the engine. Might be worth giving an engine specialist a shout. If in cork i can pm you the details of a good one.

Limbo123

I had similar problem in my car (2005 merc) just before Christmas. Loss of power, car juddering/shaking etc
Diagnostics showed compression in cylinders down by 30%. Carbon build up as obvious fault.
Merc in Dublin (wont say which one) said new engine after diagnosising faults over the phone lol.
A merc specialist quoted a minimum of €4k to strip etc but also advised on engine replacement.
My own mechanic stripped head, cleaned off carbon in cylinders, mini service plus new battery and gave car back to me a week later for €1200. Car running as good as new now.

dr.fuzzenstein

Limbo123 wrote: »

I had similar problem in my car (2005 merc) just before Christmas. Loss of power, car juddering/shaking etc
Diagnostics showed compression in cylinders down by 30%. Carbon build up as obvious fault.
Merc in Dublin (wont say which one) said new engine after diagnosising faults over the phone lol.
A merc specialist quoted a minimum of €4k to strip etc but also advised on engine replacement.
My own mechanic stripped head, cleaned off carbon in cylinders, mini service plus new battery and gave car back to me a week later for €1200. Car running as good as new now.

+1000
The OP went to a Ford dealer. Of course they would quote several bazillion Euros to fix it, because they don't want the hassle. The last thing they need is the OP's wreck blocking up a bay that 10 other cars would have been turned around in the time it would have taken to fix his crock (crock in the eyes of the dealer, not mine)

Bigus

Whats your general location ?


Here s a low mileage damaged one I'd say its around a grand

Only 54000 miles but you have to buy the whole car

http://cars.donedeal.ie/damagedcars-for-sale/salvage-ford-mondeo-2006-1-8p/6358835

Stella Virgo

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

+1000
The OP went to a Ford dealer. Of course they would quote several bazillion Euros to fix it, because they don't want the hassle. The last thing they need is the OP's wreck blocking up a bay that 10 other cars would have been turned around in the time it would have taken to fix his crock (crock in the eyes of the dealer, not mine)
It's difficult to get anything fixed in Ireland, the mentality just isn't there, it's "Ah Jaysus, what ya want with that auld crock, I've a grand new Toyota here, be much better".
That's what I was told about my 1980 Merc W123, the concept of "classic car" completely eluding several garages.

mother of god :eek:please refrain from talking about this gentlemans mode of transport in such derogarty terms :rolleyes:

jca

I'd say the head gasket is gone between cylinders 2&3. Did they tell you which cylinders were down on compression?

Supergurrier

Stella Virgo wrote: »

mother of god :eek:please refrain from talking about this gentlemans mode of transport in such derogarty terms :rolleyes:

Way to intentionally cherrypick comments in order to make it sound out of context.

He is talking in the third party

jca

Supergurrier wrote: »

Way to intentionally cherrypick comments in order to make it sound out of context.

He is talking in the third party

I think he was joking. ..

Peanut2011

OP, if the rest of your car is in great nick, I would recommend IVI. I had engine changed recently, car running like new.

Buying another car for €1,600 you never know what you will get and how long it will last. IVI guarantee the engine and work. At least some fallback.

dr.fuzzenstein

Stella Virgo wrote: »

mother of god :eek:please refrain from talking about this gentlemans mode of transport in such derogarty terms :rolleyes:

Haha, no problem with the OP's mondeo, this was the attitude shown by garages to my old merc. Garages want you to show up with cars no more than 5 years old that need an oilchange. Anything besides that they don't want to know.
I used to drive mostly old cars, minimum 10 years or older. Most garages would see the car and say "you can keep driving in that piece of crap, cause I'm not fixing it!".
Garages have zero interest in anything that isn't quick, easy turnaround and a big bill at the end.

toyotaavensis

Your right which is why i steer clear from dealerships in my eleven year old car.
Had a problem with the gearbox and got some mad quotes.
Took it to a lad who works for himself who charged 120 quid + tax for his days work.
Lads like this are who you should go to with an older car as they make things more cost effective.

MICKEYG

Folks, first of all many thanks for your comments and thoughts on this.
To add some further meat to the story we have a 03 Mondeo estate which has a similar number of miles. The clutch went on it recently alongside a few other things. We decided to tale a punt and put 1300 into it to see if we could get 1-2 more years out of her. We are worried about taking a similar punt on the second car and are now thinking of trying to survive on the single car (which we seem to have done OK with for the past 3 weeks whilst one or other of the two cars has been out of action). This will save us in road tax and insurance (but probably very little in petrol as the one car will be doing twice the work).
With this I feel the smart move will be to scrap the 02.
Any ideas on how much if anything I could get for it.

dr.fuzzenstein

MICKEYG wrote: »

Folks, first of all many thanks for your comments and thoughts on this.
To add some further meat to the story we have a 03 Mondeo estate which has a similar number of miles. The clutch went on it recently alongside a few other things. We decided to tale a punt and put 1300 into it to see if we could get 1-2 more years out of her. We are worried about taking a similar punt on the second car and are now thinking of trying to survive on the single car (which we seem to have done OK with for the past 3 weeks whilst one or other of the two cars has been out of action). This will save us in road tax and insurance (but probably very little in petrol as the one car will be doing twice the work).
With this I feel the smart move will be to scrap the 02.
Any ideas on how much if anything I could get for it.

Stick it up on DD if it's otherwise good, I'm sure someone will throw you a few bob for it. No idea how much, better check if similar damaged repairables are for sale.

MICKEYG

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Stick it up on DD if it's otherwise good, I'm sure someone will throw you a few bob for it. No idea how much, better check if similar damaged repairables are for sale.

One spanner in the works. A scrap place offered me €100 and I just paid annual tax of €636 so if i scrap I will get close to €650 back. I can't imagine anyone offering me more than that on Done Deal.
I think the gods are pointing towards scrappage.

djimi

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Haha, no problem with the OP's mondeo, this was the attitude shown by garages to my old merc. Garages want you to show up with cars no more than 5 years old that need an oilchange. Anything besides that they don't want to know.
I used to drive mostly old cars, minimum 10 years or older. Most garages would see the car and say "you can keep driving in that piece of crap, cause I'm not fixing it!".
Garages have zero interest in anything that isn't quick, easy turnaround and a big bill at the end.

Which garages are you going to?

Like you, I mostly drive older cars also, and I never once have had a garage turn away my business, or even give me the impression that they have no interest in the work. And that goes for main dealers as well as indys.

Sorry, thats not strictly true; one Honda main dealer refused to quote me for a service because "Japanese import engines are different and we dont work on them"... :rolleyes:

jimgoose

djimi wrote: »

...one Honda main dealer refused to quote me for a service because "Japanese import engines are different and we dont work on them"... :rolleyes:

:pac::pac::pac:

dr.fuzzenstein

djimi wrote: »

Which garages are you going to?

Like you, I mostly drive older cars also, and I never once have had a garage turn away my business, or even give me the impression that they have no interest in the work. And that goes for main dealers as well as indys.

Sorry, thats not strictly true; one Honda main dealer refused to quote me for a service because "Japanese import engines are different and we dont work on them"... :rolleyes:

It is a few years ago, but it definitely was the attitude I encountered, was driving W123 Mercs and VW T3 Transporters at the time.

djimi

Very strange. I could perhaps see some places turn down business on really old cars if they felt they hadnt the expertise to service them properly, but I cant imagine too many places turning down much business of any kind nowadays.

MICKEYG

I am looking at Scrap Car Dublin to do this. They have offered me €100 plus they will bring the Dept of Environment form with them when they collect and have it signed.
Has anyone any experience of these guys?

dr.fuzzenstein

djimi wrote: »

Very strange. I could perhaps see some places turn down business on really old cars if they felt they hadnt the expertise to service them properly, but I cant imagine too many places turning down much business of any kind nowadays.

CV boots where a good example. Both the Merc and the T3 needed a full set at some stage.
Was flat out refused by every garage I went to.
One garage did the Merc, lost a ball from the bearing and the CV joint was wrecked within 2 days. :mad:
Made the decision of doing everything myself from then on and haven't looked back.
Mind you, this is going back to the 90's early 00's.
Garages where only used to Corollas and Feshties. Everything else was Satan's work to them.
They even told me that coolant, brake fluid and gearbox oil need never be changed when I asked to have it done.
That nearly killed me in the Merc when I had no brakes coming up to a roundabout.
My experience with Irish garages and tyre places is maybe 3/10.

pippip

I was getting work done on my car last week with a well known Inde garage in Dublin. (highly recommended by boards users in the past)

Got talking to the owner and he said he rarely takes on cars older than 10yrs old that need work, especially NCT work unless its a customer who has been using him for years and he knows the car.

Now he is always out the door busy but he just said there is too much wrong with them and its never worth the hassle as he fixes one thing and then another items goes and numerous times owners try to blame the garage even though the two items may be completely unrelated.

dr.fuzzenstein

pippip wrote: »

I was getting work done on my car last week with a well known Inde garage in Dublin. (highly recommended by boards users in the past)

Got talking to the owner and he said he rarely takes on cars older than 10yrs old that need work, especially NCT work unless its a customer who has been using him for years and he knows the car.

Now he is always out the door busy but he just said there is too much wrong with them and its never worth the hassle as he fixes one thing and then another items goes and numerous times owners try to blame the garage even though the two items may be completely unrelated.

There is an art to driving a banger!

jimgoose

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

There is an art to driving a banger!

How quotable!

galwaytt

MICKEYG wrote: »

One spanner in the works. A scrap place offered me €100 and I just paid annual tax of €636 so if i scrap I will get close to €650 back. I can't imagine anyone offering me more than that on Done Deal.
I think the gods are pointing towards scrappage.

Throw up some pics of it, inside & out and we won't be long tellin' ya if it's a go-er to repair.........:)

dr.fuzzenstein

galwaytt wrote: »

Throw up some pics of it, inside & out and we won't be long tellin' ya if it's a go-er to repair.........:)

Someone will always want it.

toyotaavensis

I would be tempted to get something like link this closer to home (similar deals can be got here) and have it fitted for a few hundred quid. I always hate to see a car that can be saved go for scrap.

Is the car driving at the minute?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-MONDEO-MK3-DURATEC-HE-1-8-PETROL-ENGINE-125BHP-CHBA-CHBB-2001-2007-/390680264592?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5af65bbf90

dr.fuzzenstein

toyotaavensis wrote: »

I would be tempted to get something like link this closer to home (similar deals can be got here) and have it fitted for a few hundred quid. I always hate to see a car that can be saved go for scrap.

Is the car driving at the minute?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-MONDEO-MK3-DURATEC-HE-1-8-PETROL-ENGINE-125BHP-CHBA-CHBB-2001-2007-/390680264592?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5af65bbf90

Don't forget £135 for shipping.
Still not bad. Wonder will that fit through my letterbox?

jca

toyotaavensis wrote: »

I would be tempted to get something like link this closer to home (similar deals can be got here) and have it fitted for a few hundred quid. I always hate to see a car that can be saved go for scrap.

Is the car driving at the minute?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-MONDEO-MK3-DURATEC-HE-1-8-PETROL-ENGINE-125BHP-CHBA-CHBB-2001-2007-/390680264592?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5af65bbf90

It's only a car, an old low value car at that. I think he'd be better off scrapping it and getting his tax back.

toyotaavensis

thats why i said similar deals can be found here