What are self-employed AT's going to do after March 1st

davgtrek

Hi all
can Architectural technicians after march 1st submit planning applications ?

If what I read is true then has anyone a route that an AT can take to become "a chartered surveyor" ( architect & engineer are ruled out)

Is there any way around these new regs.

This is a disaster for me and all AT's by the sounds of it !!

Read other threads here but in speciafically dealing with how I can continue to make a living as an AT.

If I couldn't bring jobs on-site and had to team up with an Engineer for this it would be tolerable but it sounds like i'm caught at Design Stage !!

4Sticks

There is still nothing to stop AT's preparing planning applications. Or Fire Safety Certs / DAC's Or works not requiring PP / CN's

But you are right the most probable way for AT's to carry on is to formally or informally partner up with a chartered engineer .

This is also bad news for consumers too of course , being funneled now , by law , towards a select few.

sydthebeat

davgtrek wrote: »

Hi all
1. can Architectural technicians after march 1st submit planning applications ?

2. If what I read is true then has anyone a route that an AT can take to become "a chartered surveyor" ( architect & engineer are ruled out)

3. Is there any way around these new regs.

4. This is a disaster for me and all AT's by the sounds of it !!

5. Read other threads here but in speciafically dealing with how I can continue to make a living as an AT.

6. If I couldn't bring jobs on-site and had to team up with an Engineer for this it would be tolerable but it sounds like i'm caught at Design Stage !!

1. yes you can, but dont be surprised if this too is restricted in coming years.

2. I have been told by RICS that architectural technology is not consider cognate to surveying therefore its not consider a sufficient base to joining as a survey under routes 4 or 5.

3. no

4. Completely. This is the death knell for self employed ATs. we have been left high and dry by the lobby group thats supposed to represent us, the RIAI.

5. as said above, partnering up with engineers seems to be the immediate solution but of course, its their name on the certificate.

6. building regulation compliant drawings should be our bread and butter but "the stakeholders" in this dont deem us competent.



this has been coming down the tracks for at least teh last 18 months and at every stage ATs have been dismissed at a wave of a hand.

davgtrek

I checked out the accredited other courses that are recognised by rics.
hard to believe that as sydthebeat says AT is not recognised but qs is.

Its a disaster for sure.

Has anyone any clear ideas how that Team ( AT + engineer ) might work without the AT taking on liability that they could not cover !

davgtrek

also a recognised course by chartered surveyors is "estate agent " !! seriously c'mon is this a joke !!

4Sticks

@ gavgtrek - only certain types of surveyor may be Certifiers.
Not QS's.
Not Estate Agents.

4Sticks

davgtrek wrote: »

Has anyone any clear ideas how that Team ( AT + engineer ) might work without the AT taking on liability that they could not cover !

The engineer would have to really trust the AT as the engineer would in effect by certifying the AT's works. The engineers PI providers would in the event of legal actions seek to recover whatever costs they possibly could from the AT and for that reason AT's would need theri own Pi.

Supertech

The difficulty with these types of situation for us as AT's is that we will always be the 'junior' professional unless and until there is a register which we can call home. The engineer can essentially practice independently while the AT can not.
Agree about the PI, and that is another can of worms entirely in light of this new legislation, one which is not yet opened.

Bubbling

What about ATs specialising in areas such as site suitability assessments and Part L Deap analysis (and even PSDP)? Most self employed architects do not undertake these roles and would gladly outsource them to someone else.

davgtrek

@bubbling
fair enough but I don't want to be forced away from designing buildings etc.
I have already had to diversify these past few years and its a total sickener that this new policy comes into place just as there was some bit of a pick up in work.....

Supertech

Bubbling wrote: »

What about ATs specialising in areas such as site suitability assessments and Part L Deap analysis (and even PSDP)? Most self employed architects do not undertake these roles and would gladly outsource them to someone else.

That type of work is still open to AT's (and others) who wish to carry it out, and in fact there may even be more of it about.

The first two examples you use already provide certification of a sort, and those who provide these services will usually be appropriately insured on that basis already.

The difference now is that where any work is outsourced, the Assigned Certifier is acknowledging that they are not competent to carry out that particular type of work, and that they will 'rely' upon the expertise of another, supported by a suitable certificate to demonstrate compliance with the relevant part of the regulations. This is how the primary certificates have been made 'insurable'.