Scientology has a child labor camp in Australia

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/latest/article/-/12905379/australia-s-child-labour-camp/

Right in the middle of a quiet suburb is a place where children are separated from their parents, and forced to work full time for no pay, and live in squalid conditions.
Those who’ve survived this place say they were brainwashed into believing they could not leave. They say they did not deserve the shocking treatment dished out.
A young man who escaped the place with the help of his father, Shane Kelsey says “I lived in that garage for about a year and a half, maybe two years.”
Shane is now 21-years-old. Until just over a year ago he had never used the internet, watched television or followed the media.

joseph brand

“I signed my contract when I was eight-years-old. It was a billion-year contract, which means you're volunteering or servicing the Church for the next billion years,” Shane said.

Did Tom Cruise sign a similar contract? They all do, afaik.

PopePalpatine

So, where's that guy who says that those who protest against the Church of Scientology were as bad as them? :rolleyes:

Brown Bomber

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/latest/article/-/12905379/australia-s-child-labour-camp/

That story is nearly two years old. What happened next?

robindch

Brown Bomber wrote: »

What happened next?

Why don't you have a look around and tell us?

Brown Bomber

robindch wrote: »

Why don't you have a look around and tell us?

huh?

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The story may be two years old, but its been happening for longer and its still going on to this day.

weisses

PopePalpatine wrote: »

So, where's that guy who says that those who protest against the Church of Scientology were as bad as them? :rolleyes:

I'm here

How can i help ?

weisses

And while your all upset maybe stage a protest here as well

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/15/world/asia/china-one-child-policy/

There you can actually use the word labor camp without the use of brackets

Or do we only have a go at "religion" in here ?

Brown Bomber

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The story may be two years old, but its been happening for longer and its still going on to this day.

Yeah, got that. What I am asking you is what happened with the police investigation that surely must have happened after this?


Was the place raided? Are the slavers in prison now?

robindch

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Was the place raided? Are the slavers in prison now?

Why don't you do a bit of investigation and tell us?

weisses

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The story may be two years old, but its been happening for longer and its still going on to this day.

Got a linkie to the highlighted part? can only find the 2 year old articles.

pH

Jenna Miscavige Hill's book (Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape) details her growing up in one of these Scientology work camps - a combination of hard labour and systematic indoctrination that N.Korea would be proud of.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Belief-Secret-Scientology-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B008XOJ7C2/

Excellent book for anyone interested in a first person account of what happens in these 'camps'.

weisses

More interesting reading

http://exscientologykids.com/

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pH wrote: »

Jenna Miscavige Hill's book (Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape) details her growing up in one of these Scientology work camps - a combination of hard labour and systematic indoctrination that N.Korea would be proud of.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Belief-Secret-Scientology-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B008XOJ7C2/

Excellent book for anyone interested in a first person account of what happens in these 'camps'.

To put it into perspective she's David's niece.

rughdh

Shane is now 21-years-old. Until just over a year ago he had never used the internet, watched television or followed the media.

And this is a bad thing?

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rughdh wrote: »

And this is a bad thing?

Being deprived of the choice is clearly the issue.

:mad:

Sarky

rughdh wrote: »

And this is a bad thing?

Imagine, no Breaking Bad, no Battlestar Galactica, no Dr. Who, no Adventure Time, no Archer, no Regular Show. To deprive anyone of those shows* is horrendous cruelty in itself.

*Well, I can live without Dr. Who...

Brown Bomber

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To put it into perspective she's David's niece.

Yeah, but what happened to these slave-children following this expose?

Brown Bomber

PopePalpatine wrote: »

So, where's that guy who says that those who protest against the Church of Scientology were as bad as them? :rolleyes:

And what does this protest involve? Screaming abuse at parents and their children going in and out of the church? Plaquards reading "While I do respect your freedom of religion I am protesting you anyway because I know better than you".

Sounds real productive.

kylith

Sarky wrote: »

Imagine, no Breaking Bad, no Battlestar Galactica, no Dr. Who, no Adventure Time, no Archer, no Regular Show. To deprive anyone of those shows* is horrendous cruelty in itself.

*Well, I can live without Dr. Who...

HERESY!!!

Hotblack Desiato

Like Pavlov's dogs, the usual suspects do the usual.

Hotblack Desiato

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And what does this protest involve? Screaming abuse at parents and their children going in and out of the church? Plaquards reading "While I do respect your freedom of religion I am protesting you anyway because I know better than you".

Sounds real productive.

Scientology labour camps for kids. I mean, REALLY??? You really expect anyone to believe that you can honestly defend this?

A new low for you BB, and that's saying something.

I think the important part of the protests is not trying the convince the members to leave as that's impossible for a protest to do, it's to draw attention to the Church.

The don't want media attention they don't influence, it's why they tried to get the videos that started the protests pulled in the first place. Any time they appear in the public eye they do more damage to themselves than anyone else could possibly do.

So by protesting, and in such an eye catching way, Scientology is dragged kicking and screaming into people's attention, warning them off and making them more mindful of the tricky and underhanded ways they try to recruit people.

Also it helps by reminding people that Scientology runs a ton of other innocuous seeming organisations such as Narcanon and the New Cult Awareness Network.

kylith

King Mob wrote: »

Also it helps by reminding people that Scientology runs a ton of other innocuous seeming organisations such as Narcanon and the New Cult Awareness Network.

Hah! I like that; the New Cult Awareness Network! Old cults are just fine though.

kylith

kylith wrote: »

Hah! I like that; the New Cult Awareness Network! Old cults are just fine though.

It's not a network about new cults. It a new version of the Cult Awareness Network that used to be very vocal against before it was shut down, then had it's name bought up and used by Scientology,

Brian Shanahan

weisses wrote: »

I'm here

How can i help ?

Admitting that you were wrong would be a good first step.

FouxDaFaFa

pH wrote: »

Jenna Miscavige Hill's book (Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape) details her growing up in one of these Scientology work camps - a combination of hard labour and systematic indoctrination that N.Korea would be proud of.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Belief-Secret-Scientology-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B008XOJ7C2/

Excellent book for anyone interested in a first person account of what happens in these 'camps'.

It was a pretty shocking read. And it's not as if the adults were oblivious to it being wrong. Whenever they ran into a maintenance issue that the children couldn't fix (like an electrical fault) they would hide the children out of sight of the electricians and other labourers because they knew they would be horrified seeing children do hours of hard manual labour.

weisses

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Admitting that you were wrong would be a good first step.

Why not tackle that question in the response i gave you in that thread instead of replying to a question directed ad someone else in a different thread.

Brian Shanahan

weisses wrote: »

Why not tackle that question in the response i gave you in that thread instead of replying to a question directed ad someone else in a different thread.

Because all you were doing in that thread was evasion and pervarication. It doesn't throw a good light on your thought processes (or your moral reasoning) when you attempt to defend the indefensible like that.

weisses

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Because all you were doing in that thread was evasion and pervarication. It doesn't throw a good light on your thought processes (or your moral reasoning) when you attempt to defend the indefensible like that.

Then i suggest you read through that thread again, the only thing not making sense was your ridiculous comparison ... if you want to discuss this further i suggest you reply in that thread

Brian Shanahan

weisses wrote: »

Then i suggest you read through that thread again, the only thing not making sense was your ridiculous comparison ... if you want to discuss this further i suggest you reply in that thread

Aww, pity about you. The thing is though, it's not my duty to sort your problems it's yours.

If you cannot see the blindingly obvious (e.g. what I posted in the other thread), then what's the point talking to you?

weisses

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

If you cannot see the blindingly obvious (e.g. what I posted in the other thread), then what's the point talking to you?

Then don't ... should be easy enough

smacl

pH wrote: »

Jenna Miscavige Hill's book (Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape) details her growing up in one of these Scientology work camps - a combination of hard labour and systematic indoctrination that N.Korea would be proud of.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Belief-Secret-Scientology-Harrowing-ebook/dp/B008XOJ7C2/

Excellent book for anyone interested in a first person account of what happens in these 'camps'.

Just read Marc Headley's Blown for Good which also makes for insightful reading. Dave Miscavige comes across as a total pyscho, and the comparison to a labour camp seems pretty accurate. Not the most engaging of writing styles at times, but worth a read nonetheless.

Turtwig

Sarky wrote: »

Imagine, no Breaking Bad, no Battlestar Galactica, no Dr. Who, no Adventure Time, no Archer, no Regular Show. To deprive anyone of those shows* is horrendous cruelty in itself.

*Well, I can live without Dr. Who...

Consider this your final warning. Any more blasphemous remarks and all yoru posts on this forum will be deleted and replaced by a macros saying that you think Dr. Who is awesome.

weisses

It was asked before but are they still running that "labor camp" over there ?

I tried to find more up to date material but all relates back to that news story 2 years ago

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I hate Dr. Who. My wife loves it, religiously which is horrifying.

Turtwig

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I hate Dr. Who. My wife loves it, religiously which is horrifying.

:mad:
Your wife sounds awesome though.

Sarky

Jernal wrote: »

Consider this your final warning. Any more blasphemous remarks and all yoru posts on this forum will be deleted and replaced by a macros saying that you think Dr. Who is awesome.

You would deliberately make someone look more insane than J C? Dude, that's low.

Turtwig

Sarky wrote: »

You would deliberately make someone look more insane than J C? Dude, that's low.

I would.

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I don't think that would be physically possible.

Brian Shanahan

Jernal wrote: »

Dr. Who is awesome.

All I know is that he's no Benjamin Lafayette Sisko.

kylith

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

All I know is that he's no Benjamin Lafayette Sisko.

Just finished rewatching that. Now that is a space prophet you can get behind.

Brian Shanahan

kylith wrote: »

Just finished rewatching that. Now that is a space prophet you can get behind.

Well he is the man who wins ever Kirk vs. Picard argument on the internet. If that isn't enough to have you worshipping the ground on which he treads, I don't know what is.

Sarky

He punched Q in the face. In the face.

kylith

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Well he is the man who wins ever Kirk vs. Picard argument on the internet. If that isn't enough to have you worshipping the ground on which he treads, I don't know what is.

Well now I'll be playing Kirk V Picard V Sisko all day.

You gotta love a man who can make Lafayette sound badass.

Brian Shanahan

kylith wrote: »

Well now I'll be playing Kirk V Picard V Sisko all day.

You gotta love a man who can make Lafayette sound badass.

Well when you are named after Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette you kind of have to be one.

kylith

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Well when you are named after Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette you kind of have to be one.

It's a lot to live up to alright.