Indian Politician suggests Indian Women invited rape

Fudge You

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/female-politician-suggests-indian-women-invited-rape-1.1672038


I didnt see a thread for this yet.

I am so annoyed after reading this.
This politician said "“Did Nirbhaya really have go to watch a movie at 11 in the night with her friend?" Basically blaming the victim for being out late at night.

And then she goes on “Rapes take place also because of a woman’s clothes, her behaviour and her presence at inappropriate places,"




I hate, really hate victim blaming, for anything, espically rape.

Why is it, that when bad things happen to innocent people, they are the ones that get blamed.
And after a rape/theft/assault etc. There is always someone with their captain hindsight hat on, telling the victim what they should have done.

smcgiff

Fudge You wrote: »

And then she goes on “Rapes take place also because of a woman’s clothes, her behaviour and her presence at inappropriate places,"

It'd be moronic if a Male politician said this, but it's even worse coming from a woman. Mind boggles.

DrumSteve

I hate to be the one to say it, but I dare say her opinion would be different were she on the receiving end of one of these horrific attacks.

Or since I'm in AH; what a Cùnt.

Shenshen

It's insulting to both men and women - suggesting that it's the woman's fault for provocatively daring to exist, and in the same breath implying that men are so driven by their sexual urges they cannot possibly control themselves when getting half a chance to rape a woman.

It certainly says a lot about what kind of world this lady thinks we live in.

sentient_6

The Indians, a great bunch of lads, oh wait no hold on....

Tombo2001

its a shocker....

.....and I amnt saying this as a defense of the politician, but it does serve as an illustration of how cultural norms affect a persons view point.

.....the cultural norm in India is that the man rules the roost full stop. That aint right, any more than it was when the same cultural norm applied in Ireland 50 years ago.

rubadub

Fudge You wrote: »

And after a rape/theft/assault etc. There is always someone with their captain hindsight hat on, telling the victim what they should have done.

It is also warning potential future victims. You might see signs up in a garda station telling you how to minimize the chance of burglary, how a burglar might leave your house alone in search of an easier target. Its rare to hear people complain and say they will leave their door unlocked if they want, and nobody should dictate what they should do in their house.

People get very emotive when the similar advice is said about rape though. The physical act of penetrative rape requires access to that area, so clothing making this easy might be avoided by some, many get upset when told or advised about this. Many will say "provocative clothing", since it very often does allow easy access to that area for an attacker, but not always. Skin tight leather trousers might be seen as provocative or sexy but would offer more defense than a dowdy bathrobe with nothing on underneath. Some seem to think this "no provocative clothing" advice is only given to ward off men who cannot resist the sight of them, rather than considering the mechanics of the clothing.

A guy with a wallet in his back pocket with baggy jeans is more susceptible to be pick pocketed than a guy wearing skinny jeans. They might say they should be able to wear what they want, and in an ideal world they could, but some would appreciate the advice and it might not be obvious to them.

I often wonder if the same advice was given against male rape would there be such backlash, if I was in stuck in some foreign prison reknowned for male anal rape I certainly would consider my clothing options, and be appreciative of advice.

B0jangles

^^^

You should try doing a little research on when and how most rapes occur; this paragraph makes it sadly clear you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about the subject.

Shakti

rubadub wrote: »

It is also warning potential future victims. You might see signs up in a garda station telling you how to minimize the chance of burglary, how a burglar might leave your house alone in search of an easier target. Its rare to hear people complain and say they will leave their door unlocked if they want, and nobody should dictate what they should do in their house.

People get very emotive when the similar advice is said about rape though. The physical act of penetrative rape requires access to that area, so clothing making this easy might be avoided by some, many get upset when told or advised about this. Many will say "provocative clothing", since it very often does allow easy access to that area for an attacker, but not always. Skin tight leather trousers might be seen as provocative or sexy but would offer more defense than a dowdy bathrobe with nothing on underneath. Some seem to think this "no provocative clothing" advice is only given to ward off men who cannot resist the sight of them, rather than considering the mechanics of the clothing.

A guy with a wallet in his back pocket with baggy jeans is more susceptible to be pick pocketed than a guy wearing skinny jeans. They might say they should be able to wear what they want, and in an ideal world they could, but some would appreciate the advice and it might not be obvious to them.

I often wonder if the same advice was given against male rape would there be such backlash, if I was in stuck in some foreign prison reknowned for male anal rape I certainly would consider my clothing options, and be appreciative of advice.

Give these people a ring .......

http://www.drcc.ie/

Artful_Badger

rubadub wrote: »

It is also warning potential future victims. You might see signs up in a garda station telling you how to minimize the chance of burglary, how a burglar might leave your house alone in search of an easier target. Its rare to hear people complain and say they will leave their door unlocked if they want, and nobody should dictate what they should do in their house.

People get very emotive when the similar advice is said about rape though. The physical act of penetrative rape requires access to that area, so clothing making this easy might be avoided by some, many get upset when told or advised about this. Many will say "provocative clothing", since it very often does allow easy access to that area for an attacker, but not always. Skin tight leather trousers might be seen as provocative or sexy but would offer more defense than a dowdy bathrobe with nothing on underneath. Some seem to think this "no provocative clothing" advice is only given to ward off men who cannot resist the sight of them, rather than considering the mechanics of the clothing.

A guy with a wallet in his back pocket with baggy jeans is more susceptible to be pick pocketed than a guy wearing skinny jeans. They might say they should be able to wear what they want, and in an ideal world they could, but some would appreciate the advice and it might not be obvious to them.

I often wonder if the same advice was given against male rape would there be such backlash, if I was in stuck in some foreign prison reknowned for male anal rape I certainly would consider my clothing options, and be appreciative of advice.

I think you do have a point but only in relation to potential victims, not in relation to women who have already been attacked and certainly not a specific victim. When you say "maybe she should have done this or not done that" it crosses from helpful advice and warnings to blaming the victim for what has already happened.

Drawing attention to things that may be increasing the risk of someone being attacked imo isnt something that should be dismissed. I'm sure plenty of people have said to their daughters "Dont walk alone at night in such and such an area". But you also need to know when its applicable and I'm not sure after the fact does anything but detracts from the fact that the crime and perpetrator is what needs dealing with not any innocent mistakes of the victim that may have put them in harms way.

rubadub

Shakti wrote: »

Give these people a ring .......

http://www.drcc.ie/

From that site

http://www.drcc.ie/get-help-and-information/facts-and-info-about-sexual-violence-and-rape/

The responsibility for an everyday situation turning into an occasion of rape belongs fully the the perpetrator. In rape the perpetrator takes advantage of an aspect of a situation which provides him or her with the power to rape – it may be the victim’s trust or lack of suspicion, the physical strength of the perpetrator, or any situation where there is an imbalance of power in favour of the perpetrator. This imbalance is increased where, as is often the case, the victim is so shocked and terrified by what is happening, that he pr she becomes frozen and paralysed.

B0jangles wrote: »

You should try doing a little research on when and how most rapes occur;

I never said anything about most/the majority of rapes. I was giving a reason which I suspect some people have never considered, i.e. the physicality aspect of some warnings against particular clothing.

Shakti

I'm not going to have a protracted and triggering debate with you on the subject, you can ring the rape crisis centre tell them what you posted and discuss it with them,

suicide_circus

Shakti wrote: »

I'm not going to have a protracted and triggering debate with you on the subject, you can ring the rape crisis centre tell them what you posted and discuss it with them,

I dont think you understand how a discussion forum works

B0jangles

rubadub wrote: »

From that site

http://www.drcc.ie/get-help-and-information/facts-and-info-about-sexual-violence-and-rape/



I never said anything about most/the majority of rapes. I was giving a reason which I suspect some people have never considered, i.e. the physicality aspect of some warnings against particular clothing.

Most advice on "how to avoid being raped" is aimed at women. Women usually start getting this advice at the age of 13 or thereabouts. We continue to get this advice over and over again throughout our lives.

Do you seriously think your reasons have not already occurred to pretty much everyone, every single time they decide to give yet another piece of advice to potential rape victims?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Well I can safely say I never want to go anywhere near India. Ever. That level of retardation is surely infectious.

GalwayGuy2

It'd be moronic if a Male politician said this, but it's even worse coming from a woman. Mind boggles.

Why is your mind boggled?

EDIT: I read their report and apparently 33.5 percent are stranger rapes:eek: Tbh, I thought it would be much, much lower than that.

Clothes has zero to do with it. It is about power, but I do differ on where I think that need for control comes from.

But, isn't it harmful to say any warnings given to women is 'victim blaming'.

But, the fear of rape can be quite damaging as well.

It's a very, very tricky situation:(

rubadub

Shakti wrote: »

you can ring the rape crisis centre tell them what you posted and discuss it with them,

Reading their site and the bit I quoted I think they would agree.

The "advice" from the Indian woman was regarding a gang rape, not "date rape" or by someone who knew her.

B0jangles wrote: »

Do you seriously think your reasons have not already occurred to pretty much everyone,

Yes I seriously do. I have seen provocative/sexy clothes mentioned loads of times and don't think I can recall ever seeing the physicality of it being mentioned. I expect many think the warning is solely about the arousal/visual enticement of such clothing, rather than the clothing physically giving "an imbalance of power in favour of the perpetrator."

There are anti-rape devices out and been a few threads about them, like a modern version of a chastity belt. A few people were saying how it is too late at that stage, the attacker was not aware of the physical barrier and more harm might come to the victim because of it, i.e. the attacker causing more physical assault upon discovering it, in an attempt to remove it or force them to remove it. If the attacker could see the physical device/barrier beforehand they may be put off, be it an external chastity belt or very tight fitting trousers. Of course the attacker might go onto attack someone else, just like a burglar might seek an easier target.