Who do i notify about livestock

jimmy180sx · 28-01-2014 9:26am #1

Every morning i have to hunt two bullocks out of my back lawn. These animals are crossing a small river to feed on the grass as they are in a field of mud, from what i can see with no means of food. We have notified the land owner who is not local, numerous times but he doesn't seem to do anything about it. To look at these animals they look healthy but the conditions they are kept in doesn't look pleasing. He seems to think that the river will stop the animals from breaking in, as he has no boundary fence. the animal drink from the river. My next door neighbors had the same issue until they had to put up stronger fencing to keep them out (costs incurred by them) Do i contact the local vet, RSPCA or whom to maybe get in touch with this guy

freedominacup · 28-01-2014 9:37am

jimmy180sx wrote: »

Every morning i have to hunt two bullocks out of my back lawn. These animals are crossing a small river to feed on the grass as they are in a field of mud, from what i can see with no means of food. We have notified the land owner who is not local, numerous times but he doesn't seem to do anything about it. To look at these animals they look healthy but the conditions they are kept in doesn't look pleasing. He seems to think that the river will stop the animals from breaking in, as he has no boundary fence. the animal drink from the river. My next door neighbors had the same issue until they had to put up stronger fencing to keep them out (costs incurred by them) Do i contact the local vet, RSPCA or whom to maybe get in touch with this guy

Dept of ag

bbam · 28-01-2014 9:38am

Not defending him. But how do you presume fencing is his responsibility?

Have you checked the maps to see, or have you offered to go halvers on costs?

sillysmiles · 28-01-2014 9:40am

bbam wrote: »

Not defending him. But how do you presume fencing is his responsibility?

Would that not be because it is his animals straying?

farmerjj · 28-01-2014 9:40am

local d.v.o office!! he sounds like a dick that's y farmers sometimes have a bad rep.

bbam · 28-01-2014 9:43am

sillysmiles wrote: »

Would that not be because it is his animals straying?

No.
That's the result of the fence not being maintained. Each boundary will be the responsibility of one landowner. Are you definite it's his responsibility?

I know the houses that back onto us, the boundary is their responsibility.

farmerjj · 28-01-2014 9:45am

bbam wrote: »

No.
That's the result of the fence not being maintained. Each boundary will be the responsibility of one landowner. Are you definite it's his responsibility?

I know the houses that back onto us, the boundary is their responsibility.

why would a house need 2 fence there boundary? to keep his cattle out

jimmy180sx · 28-01-2014 9:48am

The river is the dividing boundary. We have quite dense hedge growth but the animal are pardon the pun, bulling through it and leaving huge gaps. Which i then have to try fix, with limited funds. I have to keep my dog in within my land, why cant he keep his animal in.

bbam · 28-01-2014 9:51am

If it's their responsibility.
My parents sold some sites in the early 00's when refurbking their own house.

The solicitor insisted that the boundary responsibility was given to the new folio if the sties, clearly documented. They have put up good fences and hedges on their sides.

bob charles · 28-01-2014 10:15am

depends what is outlined in the deeds, It could well say the fence maintenance is the responsibility of the house owner. Throw in a river and who owns what can get even more confusing as often the bounds at the far side of the river can belong to the land owner, or half the hedge on the other side or the far side of the river can be the boundary. I would just fence my own side and keep the animals out

bob charles · 28-01-2014 10:17am

jimmy180sx wrote: »

The river is the dividing boundary.

I wouldnt be so sure, just make sure that you are 100% about this

bbam · 28-01-2014 10:18am

Good fences make good neighbours.
It's such a good saying !!

hugo29 · 28-01-2014 10:36am

where a river or stream divides two properties then generally the centre of the stream is the boundary but this could have been superceeded by a new boundary line during the site transfer

if he fences his side of the stream and you use it for 12 years then technically speaking you could claim squatters rights on that part of his land

bob charles · 28-01-2014 10:37am

bbam wrote: »

Good fences make good neighbours.
It's such a good saying !!

You didnt ever have sheep bbam by anychance

Injuryprone · 28-01-2014 10:43am

Is it not every farmers responsibility to have their own stock properly fenced in and under control?

jimmy180sx · 28-01-2014 10:47am

I think the main issue here is being missed. These animals are so hungry they are crossing a river, breaking through a dense ditch (blackthorn, ash etc) and feeding on my lawn. The animals are deprived of fodder in their own enclosure. When in the field they are well up to their knees in ****e

The Glass Key · 28-01-2014 10:48am

OP fence your bit to keep them out, I know its the farmers responsibility but in the long run its just easier to put up your own fence.

http://www.ispca.ie/cruelty_complaint as a start

bbam · 28-01-2014 11:52am

bob charles wrote: »

You didnt ever have sheep bbam by anychance

Worse.
Our batchelor neighbour has them. For years he wouldn't keep his boundary so we had sheep too. Thankfully he saw te light and things are much better now.

hugo29 · 28-01-2014 12:04pm

bbam wrote: »

Worse.
Our batchelor neighbour has them. For years he wouldn't keep his boundary so we had sheep too. Thankfully he saw te light and things are much better now.

had the same problem with goats,

f140 · 28-01-2014 12:05pm

jimmy180sx wrote: »

I think the main issue here is being missed. These animals are so hungry they are crossing a river, breaking through a dense ditch (blackthorn, ash etc) and feeding on my lawn. The animals are deprived of fodder in their own enclosure. When in the field they are well up to their knees in ****e

that's not necessarily true. cattle may have plenty of fodder and still break through if theres an open gap. I often seen cattle with loads of grass break into the field next it with no grass. he could be out wintering them and giving them silage or they could have access to silage somewhere else.
best solution is just put up a fence at your side anyway for piece of mind.

bbam · 28-01-2014 12:10pm

The Glass Key wrote: »

OP fence your bit to keep them out, I know its the farmers responsibility but in the long run its just easier to put up your own fence.

http://www.ispca.ie/cruelty_complaint as a start

I wouldn't say the ISPCA will enjoy getting notified about stock breaking out.
OP said they aren't neglected.

The Glass Key · 28-01-2014 1:10pm

bbam wrote: »

I wouldn't say the ISPCA will enjoy getting notified about stock breaking out.
OP said they aren't neglected.

I think his words were "they are so hungry they are crossing the river" and the ISPCA can always pass it on to whoever they think should know about, there's a section about that on the link I posted.

I'd always say keep your own land fenced because you cannot rely on farmers to do it.

hugo29 · 28-01-2014 1:19pm

The Glass Key wrote: »

I think his words were "they are so hungry they are crossing the river" and the ISPCA can always pass it on to whoever they think should know about, there's a section about that on the link I posted.

I'd always say keep your own land fenced because you cannot rely on farmers to do it.

thats his opinion, he also says they look healthy, which is it starved or healthy
you have your land fenced, so what difference does it make to you,

if he is that bent out of shape as previously instructed report to the dept of agriculture

i know a lad who was asked to take down a fence he had ouside the timber fence to an adjoining house as the house owner was afraid his kids would climb over the timber fence and cut themselves, damed if ya do and damed if ya dont

onyerbikepat · 28-01-2014 1:24pm

:rolleyes: You're going to love this;
http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/consultation%20papers/wpAnimals.htm

sillysmiles · 28-01-2014 5:09pm

f140 wrote: »

that's not necessarily true. cattle may have plenty of fodder and still break through if theres an open gap.

I'm sure it is much easier for the person on the ground to assess if the animals have fodder than us who aren't there.

buffalobilly · 28-01-2014 6:18pm

What would be the story with cross compliance
And the cattle crossing a river

delaval · 28-01-2014 9:47pm

Op, don't report him
Battery fencer on your side close to water and your problem is solved. Your neighbour my be thick but the cattle aren't, one shock standing in water will stop them

bob charles · 28-01-2014 10:47pm

onyerbikepat wrote: »

:rolleyes: You're going to love this;
http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/consultation%20papers/wpAnimals.htm

any chance of a quick summary

sillysmiles · 28-01-2014 11:36pm

delaval wrote: »

Op, don't report him

Can I ask why you say this?
The owner has been contacted multiple times (according to the OP) about this and hasn't done anything yet to fix the problem?

bbam · 29-01-2014 8:20am

sillysmiles wrote: »

Can I ask why you say this?
The owner has been contacted multiple times (according to the OP) about this and hasn't done anything yet to fix the problem?

I'd still wonder about the boundary ownership.
In our area the boundary ownership is determined by the position of the boundary on the river or stream or drain.
If the boundary is in your side of the water then it's yours to maintain. This is what is shown on all of our maps.

If this were to be the same in OP place then OP has the responsibility to keep the boundary. Banging on at the farmer without knowing 100% who legally owns the boundary is madness.

sawdoubters · 29-01-2014 8:21am

put up electric fence

Conmaicne Mara · 29-01-2014 9:06am

bob charles wrote: »

any chance of a quick summary

Lol, I clicked the link, saw the tiny size of the scroll down button and said feck that.

Sheep breeder · 29-01-2014 9:28am

Animal welfare is the responsibility of the local authority and not the dept of ag,
Boundary fencing is both parties responsibility to maintain as stock proof, for one side to keep in and one to keep out.
We had a case where a guy was dumping over the fence into the field from his house and cut the two strands of wire to make it easier to dump out, we replaced and he cut again, next thing 14 heifers on his lawn one morning next thing a letter for damages, went to the solicitor and he said the law states that both parties have to, one to keep in stock and the other to keep out.
The guy put up a new fence and stopped dumping when this was explained to him, he taught when he moved to the country he could do what he wanted and dumping was no problem saved on recycling.

Suckler · 29-01-2014 10:27am

bbam wrote: »

I'd still wonder about the boundary ownership.
In our area the boundary ownership is determined by the position of the boundary on the river or stream or drain.
If the boundary is in your side of the water then it's yours to maintain. This is what is shown on all of our maps.

If this were to be the same in OP place then OP has the responsibility to keep the boundary. Banging on at the farmer without knowing 100% who legally owns the boundary is madness.

There was a thread recently about people walking on farmers lands without permission and there was uproar at the thought of it. Nine out of every ten answers said they'd clear anyone without hesitation and not in any polite way. Couldn't argue with that.
The point was raised a few times that how would people like it to find others wandering through their back garden at random. Now that situation has arisen here in a similiar way and it's every possibility and excuse for it not to all be the farmers fault. A mans home is his castle, he has the right to enjoy it without cattle wandering around his garden at will. How about people take responsibility for their own livestock and stop them wandering. Fencing isn't that difficult.

Who do i notify about livestock

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