Any need for the cable??

oldhead · 23-01-2014 10:25pm #1

I was in a house last week. A mate of mine was looking after the building job and I called out to him. He asked me was there a need for the following. The owner had requested him to get the spark to run 2 cat 5 from hub to a point on the wall in his sitting room and then 2 cat 5 from this point to his tv. He had done the same with 2 cat 6 also. Just wondering what could he be using this for or why it was done. Any ideas anyone. Surely with all the wireless out there you can get something. I'm just curious, didn't want to ask the owner, it's his own business

Cheers

sawdoubters · 23-01-2014 10:29pm

he could use it for telephone or house automation,you can also run the tv or internet

he should also run alarm wires to all windows and doors,a coax cable for sat tv and another for external aerial

Five Lamps · 23-01-2014 11:16pm

oldhead wrote: »

I was in a house last week. A mate of mine was looking after the building job and I called out to him. He asked me was there a need for the following. The owner had requested him to get the spark to run 2 cat 5 from hub to a point on the wall in his sitting room and then 2 cat 5 from this point to his tv. He had done the same with 2 cat 6 also. Just wondering what could he be using this for or why it was done. Any ideas anyone. Surely with all the wireless out there you can get something. I'm just curious, didn't want to ask the owner, it's his own business

Cheers

Much better to use cable over wireless if you can - especially for video.

Even if you have a superfast UPC connection you'll only be getting a fraction of that over wifi. Also wifi is getting more crowded so you have interference from neighbours wifi units. Finally, it's more secure if you're connecting over cable then over the air.

We rennovated our house recently. The architect had spec'ed a phone connection in each room. Who uses a house phone these days so we upgraded them to data connections.

jpb14 · 23-01-2014 11:53pm

Hard wired cant be hacked easily but wireless wifi can be hacked into fairly handy.Hard wired also will transfer better and faster more constant speeds over wifi.Cat6 gigaspeed all the way

coylemj · 24-01-2014 12:47am

Five Lamps wrote: »

Even if you have a superfast UPC connection you'll only be getting a fraction of that over wifi.

What fraction did you have in mind? This is what my UPC Wi-Fi looks like......

Five Lamps wrote: »

Also wifi is getting more crowded so you have interference from neighbours wifi units.

Rubbish

Five Lamps wrote: »

Finally, it's more secure if you're connecting over cable then over the air.

Only if you disable Wi-Fi so everyone in your house has to be cabled up to the router.

oldhead · 24-01-2014 1:53am

sawdoubters wrote: »

he could use it for telephone or house automation,you can also run the tv or internet

he should also run alarm wires to all windows and doors,a coax cable for sat tv and another for external aerial

Cheers got that. Yea there are alarm cables at all windows and doors and he has 2 co ax at every tv point.

oldhead · 24-01-2014 1:57am

jpb14 wrote: »

Hard wired cant be hacked easily but wireless wifi can be hacked into fairly handy.Hard wired also will transfer better and faster more constant speeds over wifi.Cat6 gigaspeed all the way

It obs better so to use cat 6 all over as opposed to cat 5 so is it ?? I was talking to them there again and I think he is putting sky box in the hub cab and it takes either 2 cat 5 or 2 cat 6 to send a signal to the tv then for Hd through a balum I thing he called it

jpb14 · 24-01-2014 10:18am

oldhead wrote: »

It obs better so to use cat 6 all over as opposed to cat 5 so is it ?? I was talking to them there again and I think he is putting sky box in the hub cab and it takes either 2 cat 5 or 2 cat 6 to send a signal to the tv then for Hd through a balum I thing he called it

Cat6 gigaspeed has more twists in the orange pair and can also transfer more data and faster too.Id go with Cat6 as a 300+ meter box of it is less than 100 euro these days and its also for future proofing down the line.

Five Lamps · 24-01-2014 7:05pm

coylemj wrote: »

What fraction did you have in mind? This is what my UPC Wi-Fi looks like......

A lower fraction than what you get if your cabled. If you have a NAS and media players, cabled is the way go.

Rubbish

Suggest that you Google wifi interference is populated areas.

Only if you disable Wi-Fi so everyone in your house has to be cabled up to the router.

Naturally, but with a cabled network you have the option of doing this if you want to. Obviously, this is going to be less of a benefit as most computing devices go portable and without a network port.

oldhead · 24-01-2014 10:08pm

jpb14 wrote: »

Cat6 gigaspeed has more twists in the orange pair and can also transfer more data and faster too.Id go with Cat6 as a 300+ meter box of it is less than 100 euro these days and its also for future proofing down the line.

Cheers for that. You know your cat cable. Did you ever see a balum been used over cat cable ??

jpb14 · 24-01-2014 10:17pm

oldhead wrote: »

Cheers for that. You know your cat cable. Did you ever see a balum been used over cat cable ??

yeah for cctv use.Good tip for your mate is to run 1 or 2 cat6 spares to the various locations.Incase the original cat6 gets damaged or broken and also for futureproofing needs.

oldhead · 26-01-2014 3:19pm

jpb14 wrote: »

yeah for cctv use.Good tip for your mate is to run 1 or 2 cat6 spares to the various locations.Incase the original cat6 gets damaged or broken and also for futureproofing needs.

I will pass it on. Cheers. If he has run cat 5 and cat 6 how does he make the 2 work together. Is it just a matter of plugging them in on 45 jacks. Only have cat 5 in me own place. No experience of the cat 6 cable. Basically will the 2 work side by side only that the 6 will transfer the data quicker

jpb14 · 26-01-2014 8:39pm

oldhead wrote: »

I will pass it on. Cheers. If he has run cat 5 and cat 6 how does he make the 2 work together. Is it just a matter of plugging them in on 45 jacks. Only have cat 5 in me own place. No experience of the cat 6 cable. Basically will the 2 work side by side only that the 6 will transfer the data quicker

If its a normal RJ45/modum/hub/server connection he wants to achieve its just a matter of terminating them on standard RJ45 glass plugs with a crimper.
Cat6 giga speed is usually used in large offices and office blocks where lots of data constantly needs to be sent and recieved,think of places like Ebay,Paypal,Irish Water and various banks and data storage centres.
Its no harm to have installed for future proofing down the line as technology gets better and server speeds increase.
Cat5e and cat6 will work side by side no problem,cat6 will be slightly bigger in diameter,maybe 1-1.5mm bigger as theres more twists in the orange pair and also the internal plastic divider/shield than runs down the middle of the cable.

oldhead · 28-01-2014 12:19am

jpb14 wrote: »

If its a normal RJ45/modum/hub/server connection he wants to achieve its just a matter of terminating them on standard RJ45 glass plugs with a crimper.
Cat6 giga speed is usually used in large offices and office blocks where lots of data constantly needs to be sent and recieved,think of places like Ebay,Paypal,Irish Water and various banks and data storage centres.
Its no harm to have installed for future proofing down the line as technology gets better and server speeds increase.
Cat5e and cat6 will work side by side no problem,cat6 will be slightly bigger in diameter,maybe 1-1.5mm bigger as theres more twists in the orange pair and also the internal plastic divider/shield than runs down the middle of the cable.

Many thanks for that. If I'm ever doing a re wire for cat 5 or. 6 I must message yea for a few ideas

jpb14 · 28-01-2014 11:21pm

oldhead wrote: »

Many thanks for that. If I'm ever doing a re wire for cat 5 or. 6 I must message yea for a few ideas

No problem,just in the process of installing some more Cat6 in my own house at the minute.1 x flat hdmi lead,3 x co-ax and 3 x cat6 to each tv point location around the house.Also installed a fish wire for any future cable pulls.

oldhead · 29-01-2014 11:23am

jpb14 wrote: »

No problem,just in the process of installing some more Cat6 in my own house at the minute.1 x flat hdmi lead,3 x co-ax and 3 x cat6 to each tv point location around the house.Also installed a fish wire for any future cable pulls.

Good stuff, can you go throu the cables what you using each one for please. I starting a project in approx a month. I'm changing living room a bedroom and kitchen. Was going putting tv over fireplace, recessed into chimney. I was thinking of putting hdmi point down the side of the chimney breast, and a 5 amp for the Xmas lights. Running the kitchen living room and bedroom back to a central point. I was going to put the DVD, sky boxes at this central point, so I have just the tv in the room. Also going to wire for sound when I'm at it. I can install at a later date if funds run low but at least the cables be in. Prob have to work it throu magic eyes but don't no yet. Any ideas? Are you putting in any sound. I was going to switch the tv from the light switch to as you won't be able to turn off tv when it in the built out chimney breast.

jpb14 · 30-01-2014 5:09pm

oldhead wrote: »

Good stuff, can you go throu the cables what you using each one for please. I starting a project in approx a month. I'm changing living room a bedroom and kitchen. Was going putting tv over fireplace, recessed into chimney. I was thinking of putting hdmi point down the side of the chimney breast, and a 5 amp for the Xmas lights. Running the kitchen living room and bedroom back to a central point. I was going to put the DVD, sky boxes at this central point, so I have just the tv in the room. Also going to wire for sound when I'm at it. I can install at a later date if funds run low but at least the cables be in. Prob have to work it throu magic eyes but don't no yet. Any ideas? Are you putting in any sound. I was going to switch the tv from the light switch to as you won't be able to turn off tv when it in the built out chimney breast.

Well the white flat hdmi is for streaming from main house PC and harddrive to any of the TV point locations.
2 co-ax for satelite dish and FTA boxes (watch while record function) and the other is there as a spare.
2 x Cat6 there for internet connections from eircom BB modem and hub to each TV point (also 2 x cat6 can be used as a hdmi lead) and the 3rd Cat6 is there as a spare.
Have some bluetooth soundbars and speakers,so no plans to run speaker wires all over the place and start cutting speaker holes out of the ceilings.Id be killed by the rest of my family if I attack the ceilings again.:D

7upfree · 30-01-2014 9:40pm

For Five Lamps - coylemj is 100% correct about WiFi. Far from rubbish.

Not quite. Here's a representative sampling of what an overcrowded WiFi spectrum looks like.

Nonoperational · 30-01-2014 9:45pm

Wired is always better than wireless. With 4K HD arriving and more and more bandwidth being used, it's a very sensible move to put in some cable if you are doing a new build.

oldhead · 30-01-2014 11:02pm

jpb14 wrote: »

Well the white flat hdmi is for streaming from main house PC and harddrive to any of the TV point locations.
2 co-ax for satelite dish and FTA boxes (watch while record function) and the other is there as a spare.
2 x Cat6 there for internet connections from eircom BB modem and hub to each TV point (also 2 x cat6 can be used as a hdmi lead) and the 3rd Cat6 is there as a spare.
Have some bluetooth soundbars and speakers,so no plans to run speaker wires all over the place and start cutting speaker holes out of the ceilings.Id be killed by the rest of my family if I attack the ceilings again.:D

Cheers for that. I'm going gutting the rooms so I'm thinking about wall mounted speakers if I get that far. I have been known to attack the ceilings the odd time to

oldhead · 30-01-2014 11:06pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Wired is always better than wireless. With 4K HD arriving and more and more bandwidth being used, it's a very sensible move to put in some cable if you are doing a new build.

Can you explain what 4k is. I take it that it is the next step. Have you any extra cable pulled in yourself, any cat 6??

oldhead · 30-01-2014 11:08pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Wired is always better than wireless. With 4K HD arriving and more and more bandwidth being used, it's a very sensible move to put in some cable if you are doing a new build.

Can you explain what 4k is. I take it that it is the next step. Have you any extra cable pulled in yourself, any cat 6??

oldhead · 30-01-2014 11:08pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Wired is always better than wireless. With 4K HD arriving and more and more bandwidth being used, it's a very sensible move to put in some cable if you are doing a new build.

Can you explain what 4k is. I take it that it is the next step. Have you any extra cable pulled in yourself, any cat 6??

oldhead · 30-01-2014 11:08pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Wired is always better than wireless. With 4K HD arriving and more and more bandwidth being used, it's a very sensible move to put in some cable if you are doing a new build.

Can you explain what 4k is. I take it that it is the next step. Have you any extra cable pulled in yourself, any cat 6??

Nonoperational · 01-02-2014 2:20am

4k HD is the next evolution of HD TV. More pixels and better image but putting more pressure on wireless...

No, not in the position to have CAT6 myself but if I was building I would.

jpb14 · 01-02-2014 4:27pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

4k HD is the next evolution of HD TV. More pixels and better image but putting more pressure on wireless...

No, not in the position to have CAT6 myself but if I was building I would.

Sure even in an existing house it can be handy to lift carpet and floorboards and fish some extra co-ax and also some cat 5 or cat6 to various locations around the house.

Any need for the cable??

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