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What is most important to you when picking a Ski Resort ?

  • 22-01-2014 10:23am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭


    Snow reliability / history
    Price of beer
    Food quality in restaurants
    Off-piste
    Family orientated
    Advanced / Intermediate / Beginner slopes
    Etc etc.

    These are just a few but i would be very interested in hearing what your most important criteria are !


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 501 ✭✭✭d2ww


    Altitude and size.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fobster


    Snow reliability, altitude, distance from the airport. It's why I'm going for Les Deux Alpes this year. Ticks all the boxes, apparently it can get busy but I think crowds will be ok in the last week of March.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭dogsears


    Snow reliability, overall cost, overall piste kms and variety.

    Every year my crowd go to Mayrhofen and we talk about going somewhere else next year - but end up back in Mayrhofen due to those factors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    What are the price factors you would include in overall cost ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,140 ✭✭✭olaola


    Lack of schlepping to the pistes. Being able to walk out of your hotel & onto chair lift/gondola is very attractive!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭dogsears


    The basics add up - flights, transfer costs (or car rental if there's enough of us to make it efficient) accommodation, ski pass, equipt rental, lessons if anyone's taking them. But over a week you can also spend a lot on eating and drinking - lunch (up the mountain) and dinner each day and as much drink (or more) as you consider yourself capable of holding down.

    Austrian resorts score pretty well on the latter factors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Tommy Crowne


    I'm totally with Olaola on this. Proximity to the slopes is paramount.
    Ski in/Ski out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    d2ww wrote: »
    Altitude and size.

    When you say altitude, what are the reasons for this ?

    Higher so colder = better ski conditions ?
    Longer slopes ?

    or something else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Fattes


    Overflow wrote: »
    When you say altitude, what are the reasons for this ?

    Higher so colder = better ski conditions ?
    Longer slopes ?

    or something else.

    Snow sure! Basically any new resort being built currently will have the majority of its skiing above 1,500 meters to ensure good snow. Any resort with skiing predominantly below that mark is a gamble.

    Just look at this season the freeze line in the alps has been 1,500 meters for nearly all of January below this temps were on double digits!!!!!

    Also makes for longer runs so if the top lift is 3,000 meters and the village is 1,00 or 1,500 you have long runs to ski, place I am based is a good example in Jan the sking from 3,000meters to 1,400 mid station was lovely but below that it was terrible in a low altitude resort you would only have soft spring conditions So far this season :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Fattes


    Overflow wrote: »
    Snow reliability / history
    Price of beer
    Food quality in restaurants
    Off-piste
    Family orientated
    Advanced / Intermediate / Beginner slopes
    Etc etc.

    These are just a few but i would be very interested in hearing what your most important criteria are !

    Snow and terrain

    Village charm

    Value

    Good food is always a bonus! Cough Italy cough zermatt!

    Accessibility transfer options and time

    Lack of rowdy idiots on and off the piste, the type that think crashing into others is funny!!

    Always nice to ski somewhere different or unique off the beaten track


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭stevire


    Snow quality (reliability doesn't bother me as much, we tend to set dates for hols, resorts are popular for a reason - snow!)
    Off-piste
    Food/Drink costs
    Local food palette (if that's the right term, love the Austrian hearty meals - goulash/grostl)
    Apres ski
    Local Friendliness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    I pick Tignes every year as my mate manages a bar there so I have free accomodation and drink for the week :cool:

    The snow ain't bad either to be fair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,803 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Snowsure or at least slopes up to 2500m
    Size, must be good for intermediate
    Trees for some off-piste messing
    Price of beer & food
    Après
    Short transfer nice but not essential
    Also accommodation, cheap apartment will work for 6 lads but not mixed groups
    Ski in/out is nice but not essential either, up to 500/600m is bare able

    Also if it gets favourable reviews from fellow boardsies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    Alititude
    Apres Ski
    Village/Town (dont like ski resorts full of Irish/English) Prefer St Anton, Lech, Saalbach etc (more Geram places IYKWIM)
    Size of the piste map
    Atmosphere
    Acessibility from Munich / Zurich
    Ski in / Ski out essential


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭DoraDelite


    Variety
    Apres Ski
    Lifts (speed and queues)
    Proximity to lifts
    Ski area connectivity
    Price of Beer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭fannymagee


    Great question- has made me realise how much of my trip decisions depend on who'll be with me!

    I mainly care about the sense of getting away from it all. Hate commercialism anywhere- ie designer shops, fast food outlets & nightclubs or any sort of 'city' vibe just irritates me. As long as there's a mountain, some snow and a warm dry bed I'm happy. Don't mind a long transfer as long as I'm looking forward to the destination, and as long as the food is local it's fine by me :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    fannymagee wrote: »
    Great question- has made me realise how much of my trip decisions depend on who'll be with me!

    I mainly care about the sense of getting away from it all. Hate commercialism anywhere- ie designer shops, fast food outlets & nightclubs or any sort of 'city' vibe just irritates me. As long as there's a mountain, some snow and a warm dry bed I'm happy. Don't mind a long transfer as long as I'm looking forward to the destination, and as long as the food is local it's fine by me :-)

    And as long as it's called Soll..... Haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭fannymagee


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    And as long as it's called Soll..... Haha


    Even old Sollers have to take holidays too, lol! ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,939 ✭✭✭Russman


    Seems "ski in ski out" is a big selling point for people.
    Does that mean literally ski to the door of the hotel, or that you can ski back to the village and walk maybe 100 or 200 metres to your accommodation ? (genuine question)

    I've only been once before, to Westendorf, and have to say I found having the hotel 50m from the slopes was fantastic. But, of late, I've been wondering if a resort where there's a short bus trip to the lifts would be a turn off for me, I dunno TBH.

    Also, with regard to snow sure / snow reliability, (my only reference is last year when there was feet of snow in the village), I have this idea that if the pistes are ribbons of snow meandering through a green setting, its would somehow take away from the holiday. Am I wrong ? I know you don't ski in the setting, but how important is the whole "winter wonderland" setting for people ?

    Injury has unfortunately ruled out skiing this season for me :(, and I'm already semi-planning or improving my knowledge for next year. Likely to be Ski Welt & Westendorf again, despite the poor snow so far this year - I'm taking the view that they can't have 2 bad years in a row !! Yes, yes I know its too early to say bad year (a week ago it wouldn't have been).

    Apologies if that's ever so slightly off thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    Russman wrote: »
    Seems "ski in ski out" is a big selling point for people.
    Does that mean literally ski to the door of the hotel, or that you can ski back to the village and walk maybe 100 or 200 metres to your accommodation ? (genuine question)

    I've only been once before, to Westendorf, and have to say I found having the hotel 50m from the slopes was fantastic. But, of late, I've been wondering if a resort where there's a short bus trip to the lifts would be a turn off for me, I dunno TBH.

    Also, with regard to snow sure / snow reliability, (my only reference is last year when there was feet of snow in the village), I have this idea that if the pistes are ribbons of snow meandering through a green setting, its would somehow take away from the holiday. Am I wrong ? I know you don't ski in the setting, but how important is the whole "winter wonderland" setting for people ?

    Injury has unfortunately ruled out skiing this season for me :(, and I'm already semi-planning or improving my knowledge for next year. Likely to be Ski Welt & Westendorf again, despite the poor snow so far this year - I'm taking the view that they can't have 2 bad years in a row !! Yes, yes I know its too early to say bad year (a week ago it wouldn't have been).

    Apologies if that's ever so slightly off thread.

    Ski in Ski out generally means ski from/to the door, or v close to it. I've done it once. It's great, but as long as I don't have to lug skis around I don't really care. As long as I can leave my skis near or at a lift I don't really care. Anything within a 5-7 mins walk form the lift is fine with me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    Russman wrote: »
    Seems "ski in ski out" is a big selling point for people.
    Does that mean literally ski to the door of the hotel, or that you can ski back to the village and walk maybe 100 or 200 metres to your accommodation ? (genuine question)

    I've only been once before, to Westendorf, and have to say I found having the hotel 50m from the slopes was fantastic. But, of late, I've been wondering if a resort where there's a short bus trip to the lifts would be a turn off for me, I dunno TBH.

    Also, with regard to snow sure / snow reliability, (my only reference is last year when there was feet of snow in the village), I have this idea that if the pistes are ribbons of snow meandering through a green setting, its would somehow take away from the holiday. Am I wrong ? I know you don't ski in the setting, but how important is the whole "winter wonderland" setting for people ?

    Injury has unfortunately ruled out skiing this season for me :(, and I'm already semi-planning or improving my knowledge for next year. Likely to be Ski Welt & Westendorf again, despite the poor snow so far this year - I'm taking the view that they can't have 2 bad years in a row !! Yes, yes I know its too early to say bad year (a week ago it wouldn't have been).

    Apologies if that's ever so slightly off thread.

    Ski in / ski out usually means you can ski right back to the door or to the main street of the resort, usually means to get up the mountain in the mornings there are gondalas and also chair lift.... its must for me really.

    Here are some of the reasons I prefer it..

    1. Less queuing for one main gondola, there usually a number of option up... i hate the squashing inline, serious pushing and brutality at some Gondolas.. plus people standing right up to my face , breathing on me , stinking of garlic or something inside the Gondola (usually when Im hungover) isnt a runner.

    2. ski back to hotel / town after some apres ski (this happens in St Anton/ Saalbach / Lech / Iscghl (although long ski route back to town)) - its great fun, this is from experience I have had

    3. No "last gondola" time limit when you have to be off the mountain

    4. usually these resorts do night skiing on some runs

    5. Apres ski at the botttom of these runs back into town is uaually a great buzz, as theres very little gap between stopping skiing and having a drink... most people still in the ski buzz mode.

    6. I dont stay a bus ride away from the resort, in the resorts above you stay in the main town and still ski right back to your hotel door / main street, in most resorts you can do both as the ski run breaks up into little runs to the hotels..

    Ive been to non ski in / ski out Mayerhofen, Arinsal, Kitzbhuel etc, but now I will only go to ski in ski out its takes alot of the "hassle" factor out of skiing.

    IME many of the towns dont have snow in the villages, maybe a sprinkle etc but not massive amounts, Im not too bothered as long as the skiing is good ;) in some ways i perfer it, stops my non skiing clothes form getting flithy etc

    Im off to Saalbach in 3 weeks for 10 days , cant bloody wait, next year going back to St anton and Lech (was thinkinh of breaking it up, 3 nights in Lech, 7/8 in St anton, we do it all seperatly fly to Zurich / Muncih rent an apartment - works out a good bit cheaper too, even in expensive resorts....... decisions.... decisions).

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    1. Ski in/ski out
    Russman wrote: »
    Seems "ski in ski out" is a big selling point for people.
    Does that mean literally ski to the door of the hotel, or that you can ski back to the village and walk maybe 100 or 200 metres to your accommodation ? (genuine question)

    Literally that - 6 man chair lift right outside the hotel, and ski to within 10 m of the ski room. I hate walking around in the boots, and as for carrying my skis :o

    2. Snow sure

    3. Proximity to airport - under an hour is perfect. Did Andorra once - 4 hours, never again.

    4. Language - I speak German, so Austria/Switzerland would be my preference


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,939 ✭✭✭Russman


    cocker5 wrote: »
    Ski in / ski out usually means you can ski right back to the door or to the main street of the resort, usually means to get up the mountain in the mornings there are gondalas and also chair lift.... its must for me really.

    Here are some of the reasons I prefer it..

    1. Less queuing for one main gondola, there usually a number of option up... i hate the squashing inline, serious pushing and brutality at some Gondolas.. plus people standing right up to my face , breathing on me , stinking of garlic or something inside the Gondola (usually when Im hungover) isnt a runner.

    2. ski back to hotel / town after some apres ski (this happens in St Anton/ Saalbach / Lech / Iscghl (although long ski route back to town)) - its great fun, this is from experience I have had

    3. No "last gondola" time limit when you have to be off the mountain

    4. usually these resorts do night skiing on some runs

    5. Apres ski at the botttom of these runs back into town is uaually a great buzz, as theres very little gap between stopping skiing and having a drink... most people still in the ski buzz mode.

    6. I dont stay a bus ride away from the resort, in the resorts above you stay in the main town and still ski right back to your hotel door / main street, in most resorts you can do both as the ski run breaks up into little runs to the hotels..

    Ive been to non ski in / ski out Mayerhofen, Arinsal, Kitzbhuel etc, but now I will only go to ski in ski out its takes alot of the "hassle" factor out of skiing.

    IME many of the towns dont have snow in the villages, maybe a sprinkle etc but not massive amounts, Im not too bothered as long as the skiing is good ;) in some ways i perfer it, stops my non skiing clothes form getting flithy etc

    Im off to Saalbach in 3 weeks for 10 days , cant bloody wait, next year going back to St anton and Lech (was thinkinh of breaking it up, 3 nights in Lech, 7/8 in St anton, we do it all seperatly fly to Zurich / Muncih rent an apartment - works out a good bit cheaper too, even in expensive resorts....... decisions.... decisions).

    :D

    Thanks for that, appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭fannymagee


    Overflow, do you mind me asking if this is for some formal research, or just curiosity? Some great info here either way! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,939 ✭✭✭Russman


    cocker5 wrote: »
    Ive been to non ski in / ski out Mayerhofen, Arinsal, Kitzbhuel etc,

    That's it exactly, I was considering places like these, but in the back of my mind was wondering whether it was a PITA to be getting a bus or queuing for a gondola each morning - also wondering was I being too precious about the whole convenience thing ! Glad I wasn't :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    Russman wrote: »
    That's it exactly, I was considering places like these, but in the back of my mind was wondering whether it was a PITA to be getting a bus or queuing for a gondola each morning - also wondering was I being too precious about the whole convenience thing ! Glad I wasn't :D

    Ok TBH dont bother with Arinsal (we hated it) once youve been to Austria theres no going back...

    the queues in Mayerhofen and Kitzbuhel were a nightmare :( one way up and down!! even the thought of getting ski bus each morning sends shivers down my spine...

    I get up, get kitted up, usually on the piste within 5/10 mins.... ahh the bliss...

    Precious??? Nahh just being pcikey, like you skiing while very enjoable can be hard work and a "mission" at times... so by going ski in / ski out it take some of the "pain" out of it!!

    Now if they could just invent a REALLY comfortable boot we'd be grand :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,939 ✭✭✭Russman


    cocker5 wrote: »
    I get up, get kitted up, usually on the piste within 5/10 mins.... ahh the bliss...

    That's what it was like last year in Westendorf, I thought it was a perfect set up, (in fairness it was nursery slopes for the first 4 days, but still !)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    fannymagee wrote: »
    Overflow, do you mind me asking if this is for some formal research, or just curiosity? Some great info here either way! :-)

    Mostly just curiosity, but I just find there is a big problem for winter sport enthusiasts.

    People just don't know what resorts to pick or are overwhelmed by the options. People in general tend to find a favorite resort out of trail and error and tend to stick with that resort as they know it a safe bet. Perhaps trying a new resort now and then but going back to the safe option.

    People depend to much on tour operators and end up with a inferior holiday in my opinion. I would like to figure out a way to help people discover new resorts based on whats important to them. Take the fear out of booking all the individual elements by yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭cocker5


    Overflow wrote: »
    Mostly just curiosity, but I just find there is a big problem winter sport enthusiasts.

    People just don't know what resorts to pick or are overwhelmed by the options. People in general tend to find a favorite resort out of trail and error and tend to stick with that resort as they know it a safe bet. Perhaps trying a new resort now and then but going back to the safe option.

    People depend to much on tour operators and end up with a inferior holiday in my opinion. I would like to figure out a way to help people discover new resorts based on whats important to them. Take the fear out of booking all the individual elements by yourself.

    Good post!

    We booked our first 2 ski holdays via Crystal ski, just beacuse it was new and easier at the time...

    Now we book everything ourselves, flights, apartments / hotel, train (sometimes private transfer if were feeling flush :P), its actually very very easy to do.

    You get far more for your money.

    We are haeding to Saalbach for 10 nights on 19th of Feb costs are:

    €150 flights
    €600 Apartment (each 2 of us) in the middle of the town
    €120 Private transfer from Munich both ways (each)
    €280 lift pass (each)
    €100 ski hire (we have out boots)

    faaaaar cheaper than going with a tour operator..

    and its actuall really simple to do if done early!

    While an expensive holiday in general we get 10 nights cheaper than its costs for 7 nights with a tour operator in a crappy hotel..

    thanks god its started to snow... the panic had seriously set in!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    In order of importance:

    1. Altitude of resort
    2. Accommodation close to lift/gondola as in less than 5 min walk
    3. Km of piste
    4. If a 'linked' resort with 300km of piste plus that busses are not required to get to certain areas (wud be my only grip with st anton. Bus needed to get to lech and zurs)
    5. Duration of transfer to resort
    6. Après ski


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