Rory McIlroy’s rules infringement

charlesanto

Rory McIlroy’s rules infringement as detailed http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/caddie-acted-in-good-faith-over-rory-mcilroy-drop-1.1662002 leaves one question unanswered in my mind... If Dave Renwick was so sure that Rory had infringed on the rules, should he not have stopped Rory before he took his shot? Is it allowed for the third party caddy to offer advice?
A fairer ruling might be "if the game officials present and none of the 4 professionals present could not recognise the player was about to foul then the Infringement was so insignificant that it could be deemed a non-issue."

Maybe,
Charles

Trampas

It's not Dave position to tell Rory even if he is allowed to.

What if Dave was wrong then what?

Rory should know the rule for taking relief. If not maybe Caroline should buy him a rules book to read.

Did they show if a referee was called for the drop or did Rory do it himself?

PARlance

charlesanto wrote: »

A fairer ruling might be "if the game officials present and none of the 4 professionals present could not recognise the player was about to foul then the Infringement was so insignificant that it could be deemed a non-issue."

Maybe,
Charles

I'm all for a change in some rules but I don't think they should start deciding when or when not to apply them.

The foul may be "insignificant" but the penalty for it isn't.

Russman

Trampas wrote: »

It's not Dave position to tell Rory even if he is allowed to.

What if Dave was wrong then what?

Rory should know the rule for taking relief. If not maybe Caroline should buy him a rules book to read.

Did they show if a referee was called for the drop or did Rory do it himself?

No, its not, but its the decent thing to do. All he had to do was ask Rory was he sure he was dropping in an ok position, it needn't have been confrontational if he was wrong. I know I'd appreciate someone double checking if it was me.

Yes, Roy should know the rule and is totally responsible for his actions, but I'd hate to think that golf has gone to a place where players "allow" their competitors to breach a rule and only then tell them about it. We see that far too much with handicap amateurs already IMHO. This incident smells of that to me anyway. If Renwick could be sure from that far away, then he had time to call out.

Maybe there should be fewer referees available on tour which might force the players to actually know the rules instead of constantly calling for a referee for even the simplest of drops, which this one was and he still got it wrong ?

Webbs

charlesanto wrote: »

Rory McIlroy’s rules infringement as detailed http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/caddie-acted-in-good-faith-over-rory-mcilroy-drop-1.1662002 leaves one question unanswered in my mind... If Dave Renwick was so sure that Rory had infringed on the rules, should he not have stopped Rory before he took his shot? Is it allowed for the third party caddy to offer advice?
A fairer ruling might be "if the game officials present and none of the 4 professionals present could not recognise the player was about to foul then the Infringement was so insignificant that it could be deemed a non-issue."

Maybe,
Charles

renwick says he saw the infringement but Rory was about to hit the shot and so couldnt call over as could have been a worse result if he had distracted Rory.

Dbu

I presume if Renwick didnt say a word on the 18th, Rory would have been DQ'd for signing incorrect score?
Its not Renwick's or JP's problem
McIlroy is a professional golfer and should have known more of the the rules

Long Turn

Also read he was 40 yards away.
Don't think its fair to blame the caddy.

GS11

Was JP having a cup of tea at the time, it beggars belief that they don't double check these things is make sure, the other caddy could see it from 40 yds away.

Innish_Rebel

GS11 wrote: »

Was JP having a cup of tea at the time, it beggars belief that they don't double check these things is make sure, the other caddy could see it from 40 yds away.

A story doing the rounds is that Renwick didn't see it either - a spectator told him. To be honest from the TV pictures - he was 40 yards away on far side of fairway & I thought it looked like he was walking on with his player, would have taken the eyes of a hawk.

Either way once the shot was hit he did the right thing by not distracting Rory and ensuring it was sorted before he signed for the round.

Dbu

GS11 wrote: »

Was JP having a cup of tea at the time, it beggars belief that they don't double check these things is make sure, the other caddy could see it from 40 yds away.

Renwick is a seasoned campaigner and would have picked up an enormous amount of rules along the way
Still wouldn't blame JP, Mc Ilroy holds the club

SnowDrifts

Trampas wrote: »

If not maybe Caroline should buy him a rules book to read.

What was the point of the reference to her? It seems like a lot of people on here would consider it better for Rory to remain celibate for his life.

Another thing people seem to be forgetting is that Rory did know the rule but simply was concentrating on the ball position on not his left foot touching a white line. Also... the relief was taken in the rough and as most golfers will know... white lines on rough grass are not nearly as defined as white lines on fairways.

It was just a mistake on Rory's part... one which he will probably never make again. Just very unfortunate that it cost him a win in this case.

ShriekingSheet

Ridiculous to blame Dave. He could only have begun to notice when Rory actually got over the ball to hit the shot, giving him a couple of seconds to raise it from 40 yards away?

Could you imagine he piped up, interrupted a player and was then found to be wrong. It had nothing to do with him to be totally honest, and the fact that he intervened later, to prevent an incorrect score being signed for was only down to his good sportsmanship.

Reality is the majority of caddies (and 100% of people on this forum) would **** themselves if presented with a rules predicament involving Rory McIlroy and 5 seconds in which to act. It would have been a far easier option to just say nothing at all, but he did, and fair play to him.

mike12

It's not the first time a silly rules infringment has cost him. Think it was 2 years ago that he brushed sand off the green that cost him in america.

First Up

Dbu wrote: »

I presume if Renwick didnt say a word on the 18th, Rory would have been DQ'd for signing incorrect score?
Its not Renwick's or JP's problem
McIlroy is a professional golfer and should have known more of the the rules

Bloody right it's JP's problem. He's part of the team and supposed to be paying attention. It cost him a lot of money.
The version that has a spectator telling Renwick has credibility. If that was the case, he was alerting McIroy in case it was reported by someone after the card was signed.

John Divney

When a pro is taking relief and the caddy isn't on red alert, that is negligent.

Of course JP has to take some and a lot of the blame. He lost a bucketload of money for himself, if the job was just to carry a bag any old fool could do it.

GS11

John Divney wrote: »

When a pro is taking relief and the caddy isn't on red alert, that is negligent.

Of course JP has to take some and a lot of the blame. He lost a bucketload of money for himself, if the job was just to carry a bag any old fool could do it.

Spot on