ewe put her insides out

Tomjim

Ewes are due to start lambing on 10th Frbruary

All ok at 5 pm yesterday evening and were moved to a field close to the house and I checked again at 9, 1 ewe down and all her insides were out.

I have seen a few pushing out their "loo" this is what it is called I think, but in this case all her insides were out behind her.

What causes this?

rancher

Tomjim wrote: »

Ewes are due to start lambing on 10th Frbruary

All ok at 5 pm yesterday evening and were moved to a field close to the house and I checked again at 9, 1 ewe down and all her insides were out.

I have seen a few pushing out their "loo" this is what it is called I think, but in this case all her insides were out behind her.

What causes this?

Was she dead and was she a texel

J.O. Farmer

Had she aborted or lambed early. It was probably the lamb bed. I've seen ewes do it a couple of times after with a hard lambing. You can wash it and push it back in and give her some penstrep and she should be fine.
If it is the lamb bed the cleaning might still be attached and I would remove this before putting it back.
You will need to put a rope or something similar to hold it in for a couple of days in the same way as you would with the "loo" or "reed" as we know it.

supersean1999

Is it Not Where The lambs Inside were to big and ruptured her. I Had a ewe last year Do that Few weeks before lambing she was Hugh carrying Twins. Its Not a pretty sight.

grassroot1

I had to put down a ewe on Thursday night she ruptured through her udder. Her womb and intestines were dragging behind her , I had noticed a bulge on her udder at 5.30 when bringing her in and when I check her again at 7.30 she had ruptured and was in shock and pain. Not one of the highlights of my farming career.:(

J.O. Farmer

supersean1999 wrote: »

Is it Not Where The lambs Inside were to big and ruptured her. I Had a ewe last year Do that Few weeks before lambing she was Hugh carrying Twins. Its Not a pretty sight.

I've never seen that. The lamb bed wwould be inside out but undamaged. I've seen it to come straight out after the lamb. That's different to what I'm thinking of and your probably right given she wasn't due.

Tomjim

no sign of lambs, it came out the back and it was more that the bed it was everything

rancher

Tomjim wrote: »

no sign of lambs, it came out the back and it was more that the bed it was everything

Every ewe can have a prolapse, but texels seem to be able to rupture the prolapse and put their intestines out as well, which is impossible to save......nice to find those ones dead, terrible sight if they are not

sea12

rancher wrote: »

Every ewe can have a prolapse, but texels seem to be able to rupture the prolapse and put their intestines out as well, which is impossible to save......nice to find those ones dead, terrible sight if they are not

Agree on that one. Horrible for the poor ewe aswell.

Even ewes putting out the lambing bed is a horrible experience for man and beast.

Lano Lynn

what I find amazing is that they don't die of shock with a uterine prolapse or intestinal rupture considereing what little will normally put them legs up!

sheeper

What diet have you them on

Tomjim

just grass

sheeper

You must have some field of grass !!! I have seen it done when they get a big feed of grain but never off grass

rancher

sheeper wrote: »

You must have some field of grass !!! I have seen it done when they get a big feed of grain but never off grass

And I've seen them do it for no reason at all

Tomjim

wouldnt be a lot of grass and only a few nuts

awful smell off her when going to knackery

could it be from a hurt, they have been moving to fields lately not through gates but through gaps

farmingmad10

Was it a prolapsed vagina? They can do it if being fed too much bulky feeds like hay/silage or high concentrate feeding. Usually only put lambing bed out after they lamb. That's unusual. Are you feeding meal to them atm?

Tomjim

mostly grass diet

very little meal/silage

Birdnuts

Tomjim wrote: »

mostly grass diet

very little meal/silage

Is there some sort of feeding regime that can minimize these problems. Lost 2 mountain type ewes around this time last year to prolapse

farmingmad10

Birdnuts wrote: »

Is there some sort of feeding regime that can minimize these problems. Lost 2 mountain type ewes around this time last year to prolapse

If feeding over 0.5kg concentrates/day split the feeding to twice a day. Also try & feed the concentrates at the same time everyday to help maintain rumen function.

rancher

farmingmad10 wrote: »

Was it a prolapsed vagina? They can do it if being fed too much bulky feeds like hay/silage or high concentrate feeding. Usually only put lambing bed out after they lamb. That's unusual. Are you feeding meal to them atm?

It's not the lamb bed they put out, it's the intestine....they force so much that they cause the vagina/rectum to tear and this lets out the intestine.
At least that's what happens here, it would be impossible to put out a lamb bed with a lamb in it before they lamb

grassroot1

rancher wrote: »

It's not the lamb bed they put out, it's the intestine....they force so much that they cause the vagina/rectum to tear and this lets out the intestine.
At least that's what happens here, it would be impossible to put out a lamb bed with a lamb in it before they lamb

Well done rancher it is not the same problem at all

J.O. Farmer

rancher wrote: »

It's not the lamb bed they put out, it's the intestine....they force so much that they cause the vagina/rectum to tear and this lets out the intestine.
At least that's what happens here, it would be impossible to put out a lamb bed with a lamb in it before they lamb

Never seen what you described but the lamb bed will normally come out straight after the lamb if it's coming. Obviously it can't come without the lamb as it's the uterus turning inside out.
I suggested the lamb bed as it's the only insides I ever saw hanging out the back.

rancher

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Never seen what you described but the lamb bed will normally come out straight after the lamb if it's coming. Obviously it can't come without the lamb as it's the uterus turning inside out.
I suggested the lamb bed as it's the only insides I ever saw hanging out the back.

A ewe never died here from an ordinary prolapse and even putting back in the lamb bed isn't a big problem in a sheep if you keep it clean

J.O. Farmer

rancher wrote: »

A ewe never died here from an ordinary prolapse and even putting back in the lamb bed isn't a problem in a sheep if you keep it clean

Never seen that either and I put both back. However I have seen ewes to abort smelly dead lambs and they sometimes die even after getting antibiotics.
It was unclear in the OP if the ewe was actually dead though. I did wonder if it was perhaps some kind of infection or hurt as the ewe was not due to lamb. I understand now that insides meant intestine. Insides can be a slightly vague term and sometimes people might not be sure what they're looking at.

grassroot1

Prolapse of the intestines through the wall of the vagina is another spontaneous unpreventable disaster that occasionally occurs in late pregnancy. It is inevitable fatal. If the ewe is found alive she should be humanely destroyed as soon as possible. It may be possible to get the lambs out immediately after slaughter but chances of survival are generally low.
Sheep health and diseases

Sheep breeder

two years ago we had a couple of ewes put out their insides out through the anus and vagina. got the vet to do a pm and she found pulpy kidney to be the problem, with the toxins building up weakens the skin and muscles and when you try put it back in it would burst as the tissue had become soft.

grassroot1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

two years ago we had a couple of ewes put out their insides out through the anus and vagina. got the vet to do a pm and she found pulpy kidney to be the problem, with the toxins building up weakens the skin and muscles and when you try put it back in it would burst as the tissue had become soft.

Interesting but would most ewes not be after receiving 8 in 1 six weeks before lambing which would negate pulpy kidney ?

rancher

Ewe put her guts out here last night, had to shoot her at 10oclock, neighbours must have wondered...wtf

Conmaicne Mara

rancher wrote: »

Ewe put her guts out here last night, had to shoot her at 10oclock, neighbours must have wondered...wtf

Let it slip to the local grapevine you were fighting off intruders from the yard, enjoy the Chinese whispers.

sheeper

What ya feeding ?

rancher

sheeper wrote: »

What ya feeding ?

Nothing to do with feeding ,get one every year or so, more to do with texels I think, see someone had one on twitter today too.

sheeper

Well I had it a good few years back (not all with Texels) changed the feed and hot had one since

rancher

sheeper wrote: »

Well I had it a good few years back (not all with Texels) changed the feed and hot had one since

Never had it in vendeens or suffolks and all getting the same feed,
Its not something I'd worry about