Clamped in own apartment complex.

Hanley

Yes, another one complaining about clampers.

I walked out this morning to a clamp on my car.

The sign says "permit parking only". Nowhere on it does it mention "display" of permit.

Now my understanding is that those signs form the T&Cs when you park. And as such I'm confused as to why I'm clamped without them ascertaining whether I've a permit or not.

I spoke to one of their guys today and he's insisting it must be displayed. And I can kinda understand that. But it's not stated anywhere. Sooooo?

deandean

soooo..display your permit.

and of course, cut off the clamp.

(grabs popcorn)

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Ah come on!

It surely stands to reason. I hate clampers personally, but if I was issued with a parking permit I'd make sure to have it displayed clearly, and not be giving them any reason to come after me.

colm_mcm

How do you suppose they'd know if you had a permit or not?

Are you familiar with parking permits and the idea of having them on display?

keithclancy

Clarify with the Management Company.

Markcheese

keithclancy wrote: »

Clarify with the Management Company.

After making sure that someone wearing a hoody that may or may not look like you removes the clamp with an angle grinder ...

djimi

If you havent got the permit on display, how the is clamping company supposed to know that you are allowed to park there?

Get onto the management company and get them to get in contact with the clamping company to straighten out the issue.

cormie

Trade you an unclamping for some personal training

biko

Sounds like someone is looking for a way out on a technicality.
How will they know you have a permit if you don't display it?

Btw, did they remove clamp?

keithclancy

djimi wrote: »

If you havent got the permit on display, how the is clamping company supposed to know that you are allowed to park there?

Get onto the management company and get them to get in contact with the clamping company to straighten out the issue.

Easy, just have a list of reg numbers.

If they can do it in a Super Valu car park then they can do it in an apartment complex also.

djimi

keithclancy wrote: »

Easy, just have a list of reg numbers.

If they can do it in a Super Valu car park then they can do it in an apartment complex also.

Im well aware that there are these kind of systems, but generally speaking when you are handed a physical permit it is not to accompany a whitelist, and it is generally intended to be displayed in the car.

No Pants

colm_mcm wrote: »

How do you suppose they'd know if you had a permit or not?

They could check a list of who they gave permits to?

djimi

No Pants wrote: »

They could check a list of who they gave permits to?

The guy in the van who prowls the car park most likely will not have access to this information.

No Pants

djimi wrote: »

The guy in the van who prowls the car park most likely will not have access to this information.

Why not?

djimi

No Pants wrote: »

Why not?

If the system works on a physical permit system then why would they hand each driver a list of the registered cars? Im sure the information is available to them if they want to look for it, but the NCPS guy is just cruising the car park looking for cars that arent displaying a permit, and in the OPs case they found one.

We all know what the clamping companies are like. Fair and honest are not high in their priority lists. They will clamp first and let you ask questions later. Dont give them a reason to clamp.

corktina

If not sure if you should be displaying, a quick glance at other cars would do the trick

colm_mcm

corktina wrote: »

If not sure if you should be displaying, a quick glance at other cars would do the trick

I think its pretty clear

corktina

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think its pretty clear

sorry :-(

cabb8ge

Hanley wrote: »

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The sign says "permit parking only". Nowhere on it does it mention "display" of permit. ==

Well if no one displayed the permit anyone could park there and they would never know did the parkers have permits.

Than you would be complaining as there would be no free spaces.

No Pants

cabb8ge wrote: »

Well if no one displayed the permit anyone could park there and they would never know did the parkers have permits.

Yeah they would. There's a list. The list exists, but the clampers themselves have no interest in it because it would prevent them from clamping more cars, which means less revenue for them. However, that shouldn't be the OP's problem as he has a permit and I presume is up to date with his fees and other responsibilities.

OP needs to speak with his management company.

djimi

No Pants wrote: »

Yeah they would. There's a list. The list exists, but the clampers themselves have no interest in it because it would prevent them from clamping more cars, which means less revenue for them. However, that shouldn't be the OP's problem as he has a permit and I presume is up to date with his fees and other responsibilities.

OP needs to speak with his management company.

Quite often the permit covers the household and not the car. There might be a list of leaseholders, but it may not have reg numbers on it. My sisters complex has a system like this; they each have a permit per apartment, which is not specific to any reg no and can be transferred between cars as they wish (I often use it in mine when I come to visit). In this case, if the permit was not displayed, the clampers would have no way of knowing which car is which, even if they had a list of permit holders.

No Pants

djimi wrote: »

Quite often the permit covers the household and not the car. There might be a list of leaseholders, but it may not have reg numbers on it.

Good point. In which case the permit would need to be displayed. Is there normally a limit to the number of permits issued per household?

keithclancy

djimi wrote: »

Quite often the permit covers the household and not the car. There might be a list of leaseholders, but it may not have reg numbers on it. My sisters complex has a system like this; they each have a permit per apartment, which is not specific to any reg no and can be transferred between cars as they wish (I often use it in mine when I come to visit). In this case, if the permit was not displayed, the clampers would have no way of knowing which car is which, even if they had a list of permit holders.

Never heard of any system like that ... mainly because people rent out their permit even if they don't have a car. Usually the apartment blocks don't have enough spaces for all the apartments.

ninty9er

If you are a property owner I would suggest you attend the next management company AGM and propose that on expiration of the clamping contract, the new contract should have a registration number cross reference included.

On a side note, I noticed the proceeds of clamping at the Limerick Strand Hotel are ringfenced for charity, takes the sting out a little.

No Pants

ninty9er wrote: »

On a side note, I noticed the proceeds of clamping at the Limerick Strand Hotel are ringfenced for charity, takes the sting out a little.

Which the charity then puts into the CEO's pension. :pac:

DuckHook

djimi wrote: »

Quite often the permit covers the household and not the car. There might be a list of leaseholders, but it may not have reg numbers on it. My sisters complex has a system like this; they each have a permit per apartment, which is not specific to any reg no and can be transferred between cars as they wish (I often use it in mine when I come to visit). In this case, if the permit was not displayed, the clampers would have no way of knowing which car is which, even if they had a list of permit holders.

I rent out an apartment and we have clamping, each apartment gets 2 spaces and we send in our reg number. The clampers have a list of the reg numbers and what spaces these apply to, when visitors come over they text (30c) their reg number to the clampers system and they show up on the system and can use visitor spots only (there are loads).

Clampers have a simple handheld device that they use to verify this information when cruising the apartment complex.

System works like a charm if you engage and use it correctly and its all very up front as to the conditions of parking.

having to display the permit in the car is a lazy and frankly daft system to use and the OP should be speaking to his complex's management company in regards to allowing this to be run in the least efficient and user un-friendly way.

biko

Where I used to live the management company gave put two resident permits and a visitor permit. These had to be displayed.
Systems differ unfortunately.

pippip

DuckHook wrote: »

I rent out an apartment and we have clamping, each apartment gets 2 spaces and we send in our reg number. The clampers have a list of the reg numbers and what spaces these apply to, when visitors come over they text (30c) their reg number to the clampers system and they show up on the system and can use visitor spots only (there are loads).

Clampers have a simple handheld device that they use to verify this information when cruising the apartment complex.

System works like a charm if you engage and use it correctly and its all very up front as to the conditions of parking.

having to display the permit in the car is a lazy and frankly daft system to use and the OP should be speaking to his complex's management company in regards to allowing this to be run in the least efficient and user un-friendly way.

Do you have allocated resident and visitor spots? Our complex has about 20 visitor marked spots in one area of the complex. As yours, you register the reg via text. As for the residents we have allocated spots but we don't give our reg. If someone does park in your spot you ring them up and they'll come out and clamp that particular car.

NCPS come out and check the visitor regs and clamp if not registered. I cannot see how they could check all the cars in our complex....they'd be forever checking all the different complexes they are responsible for!

djimi

pippip wrote: »

NCPS come out and check the visitor regs and clamp if not registered. I cannot see how they could check all the cars in our complex....they'd be forever checking all the different complexes they are responsible for!

I suppose over time they just get to know each car park (assuming its the same guys doing the route each time) and probably get to know which cars are new/look like they shouldnt be there.

ectoraige

My guess is there's something printed on the permit noting that it must be displayed.

pippip

djimi wrote: »

I suppose over time they just get to know each car park (assuming its the same guys doing the route each time) and probably get to know which cars are new/look like they shouldnt be there.

I suppose, but given that my complex is probably about 50 above ground cars and there are about six different apartment complexes in the surrounding area alone, thats alot to take in even if you are doing it daily.

In the case Duckhook mentioned I wonder are the residents reg's just taken for other situations and only the visitor spots checked daily. Either that or its just a very small complex.

DuckHook

pippip wrote: »

Do you have allocated resident and visitor spots? Our complex has about 20 visitor marked spots in one area of the complex. As yours, you register the reg via text. As for the residents we have allocated spots but we don't give our reg. If someone does park in your spot you ring them up and they'll come out and clamp that particular car.

NCPS come out and check the visitor regs and clamp if not registered. I cannot see how they could check all the cars in our complex....they'd be forever checking all the different complexes they are responsible for!

Yeah we have our two spots and seperate visitors spaces, granted its a bit more work for the clampers but people still take chances and I have seen people clamped so there is still a revenue stream for the company.

I guess the main point is it removes the dodgy grey areas where permits are not displayed correctly, if you pay your management fees and visitors text then your grand.

Not all systems are perfect and different places do it whatever way suits them I guess but IMO it's a fair system.