Liquid Help

pudzey101

Hi all so get myself a new e-cig

Now the liquid i got with it stinks !! its 777 if anyone heard of it before

What liquid do you guys recommend , want something closest as possible to Benson + Hedges cigarettes


PS : its doing the trick so far , only 4 "real" fags smoked today instead of my normal 18-23

grindle

The closest you'll get because they're made with tobacco leaves.

Forget about finding whichever-brand, some juices may carry the name but only as a way to get you to buy the juice. The only juices that come close are those made steeping leaves.

Cigarillos Naturales and Virginia Prime are the closest but VP destroys coils, so be aware that you'll need to replace whatever you're using to atomise it fairly often if you get it.

corsav6

Pick up a bottle of pineapple 11mg standard from thebestshop.eu if you get a chance, I have tried a fair few liquids and this 1 is an all day vape. I keep a clearo full all the time now while I try new juices. Also menthol has a good throat hit so give it a try. After a while you'll stray away from tobacco flavours as none of them come close to the real thing, which is good because their disgusting, especially since my tastebuds have reignited.

dePeatrick

grindle wrote: »

The closest you'll get because they're made with tobacco leaves.

Forget about finding whichever-brand, some juices may carry the name but only as a way to get you to buy the juice. The only juices that come close are those made steeping leaves.

Cigarillos Naturales and Virginia Prime are the closest but VP destroys coils, so be aware that you'll need to replace whatever you're using to atomise it fairly often if you get it.

Don't forget they may well give you real cancer as well Grindle.....FFS...you know the reports there are about nets, so why are you still pushing them?

EGriff

dePeatrick wrote: »

Don't forget they may well give you real cancer as well Grindle.....FFS...you know the reports there are about nets, so why are you still pushing them?

:eek: What's this now ?

dePeatrick

The famous Greek cardiac specialist did tests on HOL liquids and they did not come out good at all, far from it, about 1/4 to 1/3 as bad as cigarettes......needless to say within a month the a world Vaping Org was set up by HOL.....send your donations....all about vapers, not vendors, that is after he that is eBaron got into a wrangle with same Doctor on the Greek forums where he insulted him several times.....

In the meantime, I have quit all NET's which the only ones available in Ireland was from HOL....El Torres range...so until this is settled, no more of that sh1T for me....I gave up smoking to be healthy, not take on another health destroying habit.

If the good Doctor is proved to be wrong, I might change my mind but vaping is now big big money and the same ethics as Phillip Morris and BAT.....natural transition, buyer beware.......

pudzey101

think ill go ahead with the Cigarillos Naturales

blade1

Only at it 4 days myself.
Best one I have tasted yet is American blend tobacco.
I was a JP Blue smoker, even got JP Blue liquid but I prefer the American blend.
Was in a shop today trying all the flavours.
For myself I think I'll hold off on the more exotic flavours until I get more used to vaping.

corsav6

blade1 wrote: »

Only at it 4 days myself.
Best one I have tasted yet is American blend tobacco.
I was a JP Blue smoker, even got JP Blue liquid but I prefer the American blend.
Was in a shop today trying all the flavours.
For myself I think I'll hold off on the more exotic flavours until I get more used to vaping.

Get yourself an ego twist and a kanger protank mini, you won't look back.

blade1

corsav6 wrote: »

Get yourself an ego twist and a kanger protank mini, you won't look back.

I got 2 Kanger T3S' when I started.
1 was dripping straight away and the second started dripping fluid Friday night.
I went into a shop yesterday and bought 2 Aspire clearomizers and they seem better than the Kangers I had.

grindle

dePeatrick wrote: »

The famous Greek cardiac specialist did tests on HOL liquids and they did not come out good at all, far from it, about 1/4 to 1/3 as bad as cigarettes......

Some limitations apply to this study. Cytotoxicity studies on cultured cells have been developed in order to reduce the use of experimental animals. Extrapolating these results to the human in vivo toxicity should be done with caution; clinical studies are necessary in order to confirm findings from cytotoxic studies.

Not even the good doctor considers himself to be proven right.

I gave up smoking to be healthier, never expected ecigs to be 100% safe. Whatever floats your histrionic boat.

dePeatrick

grindle wrote: »

Not even the good doctor considers himself to be proven right.

I gave up smoking to be healthier, never expected ecigs to be 100% safe. Whatever floats your histrionic boat.

The point I am making is that as a consumer driven product, there are way too many fanboys striving to say that vaping is vastly superior to smoking, it will come out in time that certain flavours and I would think NETs are not as safe as most would say they are.

It is time that the consumer stood up and demanded some regulations, like stating what the PG/VG ratio is on bottles, stating what specific flavours are used in the liquid, and what I have discovered, stating a bit more accurately what nicotine level is in liquids.

The last I have a real problem with, as far as I can see there are huge discrepancies between what the manufacturers are marking on their liquids and what we get.....am in the process of setting up a testing lab to check this right now.....

You can quote what you like about NETs but from using them they bring the smokers cough back.....and the shortness of breath....I am sticking with tobacco absolute from now on, I did not start vaping to be one unhealthy.....

The theory that some particles of tobacco will exist in NETs is undeniable and that they can be unhealthy is also undeniable........

There is a clear need for liquids to be labelled as to exactly what they contain.

corsav6

blade1 wrote: »

I got 2 Kanger T3S' when I started.
1 was dripping straight away and the second started dripping fluid Friday night.
I went into a shop yesterday and bought 2 Aspire clearomizers and they seem better than the Kangers I had.

Have a t3s that I don't use much at all. The protank mini seems to be a good product, plenty of flavour and vapour, a lot more than the vision clearos I have.

grindle

dePeatrick wrote: »

...it will come out in time that certain flavours and I would think NETs are not as safe as most would say they are.

Bound to happen, true. It already does happen. Without seeing a chemical analysis of NET vapour I'm wary of believing figures that stayed linear through the scale until the NETs. Their figures jumped around based on concentrations moreso than others in non-linear fashion.

dePeatrick wrote: »

It is time that the consumer stood up and demanded some regulations, like stating what the PG/VG ratio is on bottles, stating what specific flavours are used in the liquid, and what I have discovered, stating a bit more accurately what nicotine level is in liquids.

True.

dePeatrick wrote: »

You can quote what you like about NETs but from using them they bring the smokers cough back.....and the shortness of breath....I am sticking with tobacco absolute from now on, I did not start vaping to be one unhealthy.....

The theory that some particles of tobacco will exist in NETs is undeniable and that they can be unhealthy is also undeniable........

There is a clear need for liquids to be labelled as to exactly what they contain.

No need to quote anything, I vape NETs almost exclusively (>90%) and have had no shortness of breath or smoker's cough.

Particles have to be there, yeah, whether or not they're healthy depends on what happens chemically when they're vapourised. I'd prefer if Farsalinos went down the line of discovering what exactly it was about certain NETs that caused harm to cells rather than just testing liquids to see if they cause harm to cells and leaving it at that. Without knowing why it happens it can't be fixed and labeling what they contain is secondary to what they produce when vaped.
The Guevara figures give lie to the idea that it's the curing process because those leaves are heavily cured. From filtering my own steeps they're also the leaves with the least particulates/sediment - I'd be very interested to see how a Virginian steep would've held up as it's the leaf with the most sediment by a long shot (that I've tried, burley could be worse). Anyway, all conjecture until we know what it is that makes the juices have that effect but still far safer than cigs.

dePeatrick

grindle wrote: »

Bound to happen, true. It already does happen. Without seeing a chemical analysis of NET vapour I'm wary of believing figures that stayed linear through the scale until the NETs. Their figures jumped around based on concentrations moreso than others in non-linear fashion.


True.


No need to quote anything, I vape NETs almost exclusively (>90%) and have had no shortness of breath or smoker's cough.

Particles have to be there, yeah, whether or not they're healthy depends on what happens chemically when they're vapourised. I'd prefer if Farsalinos went down the line of discovering what exactly it was about certain NETs that caused harm to cells rather than just testing liquids to see if they cause harm to cells and leaving it at that. Without knowing why it happens it can't be fixed and labeling what they contain is secondary to what they produce when vaped.
The Guevara figures give lie to the idea that it's the curing process because those leaves are heavily cured. From filtering my own steeps they're also the leaves with the least particulates/sediment - I'd be very interested to see how a Virginian steep would've held up as it's the leaf with the most sediment by a long shot (that I've tried, burley could be worse). Anyway, all conjecture until we know what it is that makes the juices have that effect but still far safer than cigs.

NETs are coming out looking real bad, if we as vapers do not take account of scientific analysis.....we have to take account of whatever comes out and at the moment NETs are looking reL bad....and from what I can discern...not good....

wingnut32

dePeatrick wrote: »

NETs are coming out looking real bad, if we as vapers do not take account of scientific analysis.....we have to take account of whatever comes out and at the moment NETs are looking reL bad....and from what I can discern...not good....

There is a new study on the way, you may be suprised on the results.

Mr. Chrome

I think its favourings like cinnamon etc. that they are talking about, not NETs.

dePeatrick

wingnut32 wrote: »

There is a new study on the way, you may be suprised on the results.

It will take several studies to be done before we know what is healthy and what is not to vape, but mark my words, we can not rely on vendors to tell us what is and what is not wingnut32 ......We have to find out for ourselves....and in the meantime NETs are out....

wingnut32

dePeatrick wrote: »

It will take several studies to be done before we know what is healthy and what is not to vape, but mark my words, we can not rely on vendors to tell us what is and what is not wingnut32 ......We have to find out for ourselves....and in the meantime NETs are out....

Lol..you hardly think I done the study. As far as I know its a US scientific study, and again you might be suprised by the results

grindle

dePeatrick wrote: »

...in the meantime NETs are out....

For you.

Guevara posted results on par with synthetic liquids, you can still vape some NET.

myIdea

pudzey101 wrote: »

What liquid do you guys recommend , want something closest as possible to Benson + Hedges cigarettes

I'm not recommending anything here... http://www.justmedia.ie/index.php?route=product/category&path=717_719

Just thought for the prices instead of buying 60mil bottles you could find a flavor by trying a few.

They do have a Flat Rate Shipping of €5.07 (Fastway next day)or its free with €50+

Samba

dePeatrick wrote: »

Don't forget they may well give you real cancer as well Grindle.....FFS...you know the reports there are about nets, so why are you still pushing them?

I think this is a little misleading, you should give this thread a read.

vinne

pudzey101 wrote: »

think ill go ahead with the Cigarillos Naturales

Ordered some of these today . What do you think of them ?

dePeatrick

Samba wrote: »

I think this is a little misleading, you should give this thread a read.

I have read all of that thread and it casts serious doubts over the safety of some of HOL liquids. I cannot and will not recommend anyone to use them until more research is done in this area and I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that NETs are not going to come out of this looking good.

My reading of it suggests that liquids made with tobacco absolute appear ok but Naturally Extracted Tobaccos are not.

My own experience with NETs is that they caused my smokers cough to return, I changed liquids and it left again, so I repeated this just to see and exactly the same happened again.

I want the safest possible option and liquids with tobacco absolute seem to be relatively ok so far....

I do not trust the liquid manufacturers to tell us if they think there are harmful effects related to their liquids. Until we as vapers demand that the ingredients are written on the liquids the vendors will do nothing, why should they?

It will take as long as two years for the size/Mg regulation to come in and longer again before the next wave comes along, in the meantime we are all basically lab rats taking part in a very large experiment.

I think that vaping will prove to be a whole lot safer than smoking but can see certain flavours being banned and a question mark hangs over HOLs NETs at the moment. I am not risking my health any more with them and I really think that anyone recommending them should also advise on the possible risks as well.

dePeatrick

grindle wrote: »

For you.

Guevara posted results on par with synthetic liquids, you can still vape some NET.

But is Guevara a NET? Or made from a tobacco absolute!

This is the thing Grindle, what would we know except what a manufacturer who says what they put in, but won't write it on the website, or bottles of liquid.

We are back to transparency again, and the total lack of it as regards what exactly is in the liquids we are inhaling into our lungs.

Write the ingredients on the bottles of liquid or publish a fact sheet stating exactly what is in the liquids so we can make up our own minds regarding what we choose to put in our bodies or not.

So far this has been a consumer led product and is supposedly "self regulating" all well and good but how about some changes to show that this industry is capable of self regulating itself.

It is disgraceful at this stage that very few liquids even have the PG/VG ratio on them.

Samba

dePeatrick wrote: »

I have read all of that thread and it casts serious doubts over the safety of some of HOL liquids. I cannot and will not recommend anyone to use them until more research is done in this area and I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that NETs are not going to come out of this looking good.

My reading of it suggests that liquids made with tobacco absolute appear ok but Naturally Extracted Tobaccos are not.

My own experience with NETs is that they caused my smokers cough to return, I changed liquids and it left again, so I repeated this just to see and exactly the same happened again.

I want the safest possible option and liquids with tobacco absolute seem to be relatively ok so far....

To the best of my knowledge, it's not an issue that has anything to do with NET, but rather a specific flavouring ingredient that one brand contained which caused concern.

What was detected wasn't found in any other NET they tested, hence why I said I felt your post was a little misleading.

Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here, but I assume the issue you're talking about is discussed in the video below?

Farsalinos clearly states that it's not an issue with NET itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYSnwgGYKKE

Thecageyone

All I heard was that certain cinnamon flavourings were spiking results, and then it turned out they were testing the flavouring RAW - not diluted down in the e-juices.

corkgal1

Hi guys I've been searching the web these last few days to find some info on these e cigs. Purchased one Friday and went for gold 18mg as these were said to be nearest to b&h i used to smoke 20-30 a day. While it has helped me to totally give up the cigs i am a bit worried that no one knows exactly whats in them and even more worryingly im starting to feel nauseous after using it any advice or suggestions???

Going Forward

corkgal1 wrote: »

Hi guys I've been searching the web these last few days to find some info on these e cigs. Purchased one Friday and went for gold 18mg as these were said to be nearest to b&h i used to smoke 20-30 a day. While it has helped me to totally give up the cigs i am a bit worried that no one knows exactly whats in them and even more worryingly im starting to feel nauseous after using it any advice or suggestions???

Nausea usually means you're over doing it. Take longer breaks between vapes or go to lower strength.

I share your concern about not knowing whats in them.

Anyone doing chemistry in college on here? Access to a lab?

Samba

PG and or VG, nicotine, artificial and or natural food grade flavoring is what's in them. It's no mystery

unblvlblkult

Samba wrote: »

PG and or VG, nicotine, artificial and or natural food grade flavoring is what's in them. It's no mystery

While some research has been done into the effects of PG and VG vapour, very little has been done on the flavouring side. Vaporising and inhaling was not the intended use of any of these. So there is a little mystery there.

Samba

unblvlblkult wrote: »

While some research has been done into the effects of PG and VG vapour, very little has been done on the flavouring side. Vaporising and inhaling was not the intended use of any of these. So there is a little mystery there.

There's some mystery in that regard alright (as far as inhalation is concerned), but we do know a considerable amount about the chemicals used (and their general safety) in artificial flavouring. We already know of a number of chemicals which aren't suitable for use in e-liquid, I'm sure more issues may well come to light as more studies are done. The video I posted above is a perfect example.

This is how artificial flavours are created.

If you really want to determine each and every chemical used in flavoring ingredients, you'd probably have to speak to the flavorist/mixologist of each e-liquid manufacturer.

You might not get all the information you want though, you'll find some flavor creations are proprietary.

Whatever bad might be revealed in the near future about certain chemicals in flavourings, I'm willing to bet it will pale in comparison to the known effects of smoking.

eirewhite

grindle wrote: »

The closest you'll get because they're made with tobacco leaves.

Forget about finding whichever-brand, some juices may carry the name but only as a way to get you to buy the juice. The only juices that come close are those made steeping leaves.

Cigarillos Naturales and Virginia Prime are the closest but VP destroys coils, so be aware that you'll need to replace whatever you're using to atomise it fairly often if you get it.

Ive tried cigarillos myself, didnt like it at all. I would reccomend liquas traditional tobacco. Tried this today for the first time and its def going on my all day vape's list!!

ben36

eirewhite wrote: »

Ive tried cigarillos myself, didnt like it at all. I would reccomend liquas traditional tobacco. Tried this today for the first time and its def going on my all day vape's list!!

Yeah same here.tried cigarillos myself when i started out and thought wtf is all the big fuss about it,couldn't take to it at all.Then used hangsen smooth for about 9 months and am now on liqua traditional tobacco the last 4ish months and loving it more each day.It's each to their own and everyone is different.Everybody will find their favourite liquid after a while.

MonstaMash

ben36 wrote: »

Yeah same here.tried cigarillos myself when i started out and thought wtf is all the big fuss about it,couldn't take to it at all.Then used hangsen smooth for about 9 months and am now on liqua traditional tobacco the last 4ish months and loving it more each day.It's each to their own and everyone is different.Everybody will find their favourite liquid after a while.

Probably depends on what you smoked before you started vaping...

Personally I only ever smoked American Spirit natural hand rolling tobacco & cigars on occasion.

No other e-liquid, that I've tried, touches on the taste of real tobaccos like House Of Liquids does IMHO

ardle1

Going Forward wrote: »

Nausea usually means you're over doing it. Take longer breaks between vapes or go to lower strength.

I share your concern about not knowing whats in them.

Anyone doing chemistry in college on here? Access to a lab?

Hi, I'm not doing chemistry and I don't have access to a lab..... In saying that! 10-11months ago when I first started to vape, I done a small but satisfactory experiment, and the results in my mind spoke for themselves.....
Ok, I got a tissue, took a long 4-5 second vape, placed the tissue over my mouth and exhaled straight through the tissue.... What was on the tissue when I inspected it!! Zilch, Nothing, not a mark or a stain, absolutely clear.. Now compared to doing said 'experiment' with a filthy cigarette!! well you know.. Dark brown, full off filth and cancer causing chemicals!! That in my scientific mind was good enough. Hence the reason I'll never let another filthy tobacco cigarette touch my lips again. Yours Truly: Professor Ardle

TheHappyChappy

I've used ovale liquid for several years now as has my partner, & still happy.

MonstaMash

TheHappyChappy wrote: »

I've used ovale liquid for several years now as has my partner, & still happy.

Can you recommend any of their tobacco juices in particular?

What size bottles does it come in?

VG/PG ratio?

TheHappyChappy

check out ovale ireland for whats available to buy here, i've seen an international site with more info you might like to read. I mix 0mg & 9mg nic at moment - old tobacco flavour. There is a lot of more exotic flavours available that i've tried in shop but personally i'm happy with with i'm using for almost 7 years now.

Going Forward

ardle1 wrote: »

Hi, I'm not doing chemistry and I don't have access to a lab..... In saying that! 10-11months ago when I first started to vape, I done a small but satisfactory experiment, and the results in my mind spoke for themselves.....
Ok, I got a tissue, took a long 4-5 second vape, placed the tissue over my mouth and exhaled straight through the tissue.... What was on the tissue when I inspected it!! Zilch, Nothing, not a mark or a stain, absolutely clear.. Now compared to doing said 'experiment' with a filthy cigarette!! well you know.. Dark brown, full off filth and cancer causing chemicals!! That in my scientific mind was good enough. Hence the reason I'll never let another filthy tobacco cigarette touch my lips again. Yours Truly: Professor Ardle

Heh heh, couldn't help doing the same thing myself! !

Calor gas leaves no stain on a tissue eiither though......

Oddly, when i first started vaping whenever i spilled juice on my fingers filling up i would often feel a bit nauseous. That doesn't happen anymore now

Maybe I've become a bit resistant to it!

Green Hornet

TheHappyChappy wrote: »

check out ovale ireland for whats available to buy here, i've seen an international site with more info you might like to read. I mix 0mg & 9mg nic at moment - old tobacco flavour. There is a lot of more exotic flavours available that i've tried in shop but personally i'm happy with with i'm using for almost 7 years now.

7 years!!?

ardle1

ardle1 wrote: »

Hi, I'm not doing chemistry and I don't have access to a lab..... In saying that! 10-11months ago when I first started to vape, I done a small but satisfactory experiment, and the results in my mind spoke for themselves.....
Ok, I got a tissue, took a long 4-5 second vape, placed the tissue over my mouth and exhaled straight through the tissue.... What was on the tissue when I inspected it!! Zilch, Nothing, not a mark or a stain, absolutely clear.. Now compared to doing said 'experiment' with a filthy cigarette!! well you know.. Dark brown, full off filth and cancer causing chemicals!! That in my scientific mind was good enough. Hence the reason I'll never let another filthy tobacco cigarette touch my lips again. Yours Truly: Professor Ardle

Going Forward wrote: »

Heh heh, couldn't help doing the same thing myself! !

Calor gas leaves no stain on a tissue eiither though......

Oddly, when i first started vaping whenever i spilled juice on my fingers filling up i would often feel a bit nauseous. That doesn't happen anymore now

Maybe I've become a bit resistant to it!

Aye, play doh will choke you as quick as semtex! my glass is always half full:)