The Top 10 Heavyweights of all time

T-K-O

Do you agree?

http://www.fightbeat.com/post/73576239679/the-top-10-greatest-heavyweight-champions-in-history

BobC88

T-K-O wrote: »

Do you agree?

http://www.fightbeat.com/post/73576239679/the-top-10-greatest-heavyweight-champions-in-history

Seen that Ali was number 1 & I instantly closed the page.

Chemist Difference

Wladimir on the list but not Vitali, can't agree with that.

T-K-O

BobC88 wrote: »

Seen that Ali was number 1 & I instantly closed the page.

:rolleyes:

T-K-O

Chemist Difference wrote: »

Wladimir on the list but not Vitali, can't agree with that.

I would have to agree. It was always Vitali for me

walshb

Wlad's overall fight resume is probably better than Vitali's. This list seems to be based on record. Man against man then Wlad and Vitali would be close to the top.

Talib Fiasco

No Rocky Marciano and Sonny Liston yet Wladimir is there...list is very sketchy tbh.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

No Rocky Marciano and Sonny Liston yet Wladimir is there...list is very sketchy tbh.

Rocky is at 8.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Rocky is at 8.

I know these top tens are subjective but jesus, at least scan over the people listed

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Wlad's overall fight resume is probably better than Vitali's. This list seems to be based on record. Man against man then Wlad and Vitali would be close to the top.

I tend to agree.

Vitalis sabbatical did not help his career when comparing the brothers. Whilst the continued success of Wlad is pretty impressive.

However, as a fighter - I prefer Vitalis aggressive style

downonthefarm

Lennox lewis?
Ah cmon now

walshb

downonthefarm wrote: »

Lennox lewis?
Ah cmon now

Who would you put in his place?

Talib Fiasco

My apologies lads, coulda sworn he wasn't there...point is the same though, Wlad has no place in a top ten of all time

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

My apologies lads, coulda sworn he wasn't there...point is the same though, Wlad has no place in a top ten of all time

Why? Three losses?

downonthefarm

walshb wrote: »

Who would you put in his place?

Smoking' Joe but that's just my preference

Talib Fiasco

Wlad is a great fighter but not top 10...being undisputed champ will help his case but the fact he's a terrible and desperate fighter of late, the fact he hasn't fought more than a handful of decent boxers in his career...also being helped by his brother clear out the division and make it look like he's better than he is and the fact he lost to pretty average boxers...he's dominant but not because he's an incredible boxer...fight with Povetkin was disgusting to watch. Good boxer, just not near top 10.

walshb

He dominated Povetkin, an olympic champion and top 3 HW. It may not have been pretty at times, but he still dominated him. He has beaten almost all in his era. That's all he can do. Lost a few by KO, matured and improved and progressed.

Talib Fiasco

He beat him easily because the ref hadn't the cop on to enforce the rules...it was one of the most embarrassing displays by a world champ in a long while...yeah sure he's been the top HW of his era and I respect that, but it has been a very weak era...had he been active in a more prominent time for HW's he wouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion...he also has a glass chin...had he faced stronger opposition he would have far more L's on his record

terrymccarthy05

Not a bad top ten.

Littlehorny

I thought the list was good and the points were well made but i read a piece on Marciano a short while and as the author said he faced very poor opposition but the piece i read highlighted the fact that Marciano dodged a few top contenders when he was champ and chose to face weaker fighters, as we all know Marciano was small and all the men he dodged were big guys so after this i don't rate him anywhere the top ten. Also agree with author about no Jack Dempsey in the list, but as has been said by others very surprised no place for Vitali and Frazier.

Big Davey

Tyson fury will be a number 1 in the next 24 months and that's a FACT :-)

Deiseboy01

Big Davey wrote: »

Tyson fury will be a number 1 in the next 24 months and that's a FACT :-)

Gets past a rejuvenated Chisora this summer and who knows? He'd certainly have a decent shot against Stiverne or Arreola if someone else doesn't get there first. Chisora is a dangerous fight for him though, don't understand why he's looking to go over old ground.

Big Davey

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Gets past a rejuvenated Chisora this summer and who knows? He'd certainly have a decent shot against Stiverne or Arreola if someone else doesn't get there first. Chisora is a dangerous fight for him though, don't understand why he's looking to go over old ground.

I agree.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

He beat him easily because the ref hadn't the cop on to enforce the rules...i

Ref or no ref he beats him comfortably. Excuses excuses. I suppose Hatton only lost to Floyd because of the ref?

Talib Fiasco

walshb wrote: »

Ref or no ref he beats him comfortably. Excuses excuses. I suppose Hatton only lost to Floyd because of the ref?

Wlad won every round for sure but if he beats him comfortably why was it such a terrible display, why no KO/stoppage...no Hatton lost because Floyd knocked him out...something Wlad couldn't do. And Floyd's clinching was nowhere near as prominent as Wlad's.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Wlad won every round for sure but if he beats him comfortably why was it such a terrible display, why no KO/stoppage...no Hatton lost because Floyd knocked him out...something Wlad couldn't do. And Floyd's clinching was nowhere near as prominent as Wlad's.

So now because he didn't KO him it's seen as poor, or not dominant/comfortable?

Like I said, Povetkin is a top top HW. Mike Tyson didn't KO all his opponents.

So, Wlad could not KO the 2nd/3rd best HW on earth, but still wins by a wide points margin, and this is used as a crutch to beat him with?

Talib Fiasco

walshb wrote: »

So now because he didn't KO him it's seen as poor, or not dominant/comfortable?

Like I said, Povetkin is a top top HW. Mike Tyson didn't KO all his opponents.

So, Wlad could not KO the 2nd/3rd best HW on earth, but still wins by a wide points margin, and this is used as a crutch to beat him with?

No it was a piss poor performance because he had to resort to breaking the rules to grind out a UD. Floyd didn't. And Wlad has been doing this for a long ass time as well. It's just this fight illustrates how often he uses it. All clever boxers use it to an extent but Wlad is taking the piss.

gene_tunney

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Wlad won every round for sure but if he beats him comfortably why was it such a terrible display, why no KO/stoppage...no Hatton lost because Floyd knocked him out...something Wlad couldn't do. And Floyd's clinching was nowhere near as prominent as Wlad's.

lolwut. He's terrible because he ever knocked out Povetkin, who was undefeated and had never been KO'd before? Speaking of clinching, have you ever watched the Ali Frazier fights? Take a look pal. You might also see constant holding behind the head without so much of a warning. But sure Ali must be terrible, he never KO'd Frazier despite all the rule breaking, and he had 3 fights to do it, and Frazier had been knocked out before.

Your logic leaves a lot to be desired.

Talib Fiasco

gene_tunney wrote: »

lolwut. He's terrible because he ever knocked out Povetkin, who was undefeated and had never been KO'd before? Speaking of clinching, have you ever watched the Ali Frazier fights? Take a look pal. You might also see constant holding behind the head without so much of a warning. But sure Ali must be terrible, he never KO'd Frazier despite all the rule breaking, and he had 3 fights to do it, and Frazier had been knocked out before.

Your logic leaves a lot to be desired.

You cannot compare the two really due to Wlad's ferocious size advantage over Ali. And I've no problem with Wlad not KO-ing an opponent, if he could win in a classy way I'd rather see him go 12 rounds with every opponent, but that was something he couldn't do at all against Povetkin.

WarKinse

Good top ten but I'd have Evander higher up the list unbelievable competitor.

megadodge

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Wlad won every round for sure but if he beats him comfortably why was it such a terrible display, why no KO/stoppage...no Hatton lost because Floyd knocked him out...something Wlad couldn't do. And Floyd's clinching was nowhere near as prominent as Wlad's.

Off topic I know, but I couldn' let it pass.

Mayweather's holding in the first 5 rounds of the Hatton fight was the worst I've seen - and I've been watching boxing live since the late 70's along with countless videos. The fact that he was aided by the most disgraceful, biased reffing I've seen from an American ref, who kept warning Hatton for Floyd's holding, was nothing short of disgusting.

People have remarkably bad memories where Mayweather is concerned.

Littlehorny

megadodge wrote: »

Off topic I know, but I couldn' let it pass.

Mayweather's holding in the first 5 rounds of the Hatton fight was the worst I've seen - and I've been watching boxing live since the late 70's along with countless videos. The fact that he was aided by the most disgraceful, biased reffing I've seen from an American ref, who kept warning Hatton for Floyd's holding, was nothing short of disgusting.

People have remarkably bad memories where Mayweather is concerned.

Totally agree with you on this, Joe Cortez was a disgrace that night, every time Hatton got within 2 foot of Mayweather he got an elbow stuck up into his face and then was held. This is the same Joe Cortez who let Hopkins lead with his head and wrestle Calzaghe alnight when they fought, a totally American biased ref.