Different engine on log book than car -> NCT

nobodiez · 17-01-2014 1:43am #1

Hi all,

My friend recently bought a car, and he realised that on log book the engine is specified as a 2.0, rather than 2.5 which it actually is. He is due to get it NCT'd in a few weeks, would they issue the NCT if that car meets the requirements, or would they fail him and get him to change the registration?

Thanks for the info, not looking for opinions, only answers from people who actually know the NCT rules

bigboss1986 · 17-01-2014 1:52am

I believe he bought BMW

That depends...Engine is only ''part'' but Revenue should be informed to change tax bracket and issue new log book.If engine is healthy he should pass NCT as Ive seen before with friend's BMW.I would tell him that his insurance will be void if he wont tell insurance company about engine.Let him do the test without saying a word and he will see.
Also I dont believe that he didnt check log book before signing for VIN nr and engine details :rolleyes:

Matt Simis · 17-01-2014 3:03am

Will be fine, just tell your "friend" to ensure the Insurance company is insuring the car with the correct engine size. NCT have no way of checking the block and test for emissions, which is mostly based on year of production and fuel type, not engine size.

nobodiez · 17-01-2014 3:58am

Thanks for the replies guys

Fiona · 17-01-2014 7:39am

My E30 is down a 2.0 on the log book and it has a 2.5 in it and she has gone through 4 nct's and this has never once been an issue.

corktina · 17-01-2014 8:39am

But is she Insured? Never mind tax and NCT, if it's insured with the wrong engine size, the policy is void.

Fiona · 17-01-2014 8:43am

corktina wrote: »

But is she Insured? Never mind tax and NCT, if it's insured with the wrong engine size, the policy is void.

Yup, when I had her on her own policy she was down as a 2.5 and now she is under a trade policy.

Come on now give me some credit

corktina · 17-01-2014 4:37pm

Fiona wrote: »

Yup, when I had her on her own policy she was down as a 2.5 and now she is under a trade policy.

Come on now give me some credit

Trade policy? that only covers cars in for repair or cars for sale for test drives doesn't it?

flutered · 17-01-2014 4:44pm

when i was insuring my passat when i bought it, the insurance company did their best to get me to admit that it had a 2.5 not a 2.0, they went as far as to doubt the word of the garage owner on the fone, he eventually said three times, the book says it is a 2.0, i am saying that it is a 2.0, why will you not take my word, what is the issue for feck sake i am in my 60s, what did they think i was up to.

Fiona · 17-01-2014 4:47pm

corktina wrote: »

Trade policy? that only covers cars in for repair or cars for sale for test drives doesn't it?

Nope not the trade policy I am named on.

Greyfoot · 17-01-2014 5:37pm

If it is a beemer indeed then the 2.5 lump is identical to the 2.0l, so they won`t notice. I remember a fella with a V6 mivec fitted 1.3 colt
went for nct and he said the tester scratched his head a bit after popping the bonnet but then carried on with the test.

PLUG71 · 17-01-2014 5:45pm

I had an Opel Kadett 1984 with a Redtop conversion ( 2.0 twin cam) and that went through a NCT test no questions asked

IT WAS A 1.2 ON THE LOG BOOK!

Mycroft H · 17-01-2014 5:46pm

corktina wrote: »

But is she Insured? Never mind tax and NCT, if it's insured with the wrong engine size, the policy is void.

You'll still have third party cover nevertheless.

dougie-lampkin · 17-01-2014 5:53pm

The NCT won't mind, they probably won't even notice. They don't look at engine numbers so if it's the same engine configuration they won't cop it. Even if they did, it's not a failure point. Emissions are irrespective of engine size, a 2.5 should burn as cleanly as a 2.0.

Mycroft H wrote: »

You'll still have third party cover nevertheless.

I'm not so sure. It's a material fact that you must declare. Sure you may as well tell them it's a 1.0 Corsa

Mycroft H · 17-01-2014 6:03pm

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

The NCT won't mind, they probably won't even notice. They don't look at engine numbers so if it's the same engine configuration they won't cop it. Even if they did, it's not a failure point. Emissions are irrespective of engine size, a 2.5 should burn as cleanly as a 2.0.

I'm not so sure. It's a material fact that you must declare. Sure you may as well tell them it's a 1.0 Corsa

They would still have to provide third part cover by law in the event of an accident, however, they could choose to pursue you for the costs after a claim.

dougie-lampkin · 17-01-2014 6:28pm

1.
We will only have to make a payment under this policy if:
a
all the answers in the proposal and declaration for this insurance are true and complete (the proposal and declaration form the basis of this contract between us and you); and
b
you or any insured person meets all the terms, conditions and endorsements of this policy.

4.
You must:
a
let us know the details of any new or replacement motor vehicle before you buy or change vehicles;
b
pay us any extra premium we may ask for as a result of the new or replacement vehicle; and
c
let us know if you sell or get rid of the motor vehicle. All cover for the vehicle will end and you must return the certificate of insurance and insurance disc to qualify for any refund of premium which we may allow.

If you do not give us, and we do not confirm full details of the vehicle, the insurance will not apply to the vehicle and we will not be responsible for any accident, injury, loss, damage or liability arising as a result of any accident caused by or in connection with that vehicle.

Quoted from my own insurance policy (http://www.libertyinsurance.ie/documents/policydocs/motor_policy_roi.pdf). I understand that in lots of cases, such as drink driving, lack of NCT, etc. you're covered by law, but personally I wouldn't take the risk on a non-declared material fact when the policy specifically says they don't have to pay out, and you've agreed to this.

Mycroft H · 17-01-2014 6:33pm

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

Quoted from my own insurance policy (http://www.libertyinsurance.ie/documents/policydocs/motor_policy_roi.pdf). I understand that in lots of cases, such as drink driving, lack of NCT, etc. you're covered by law, but personally I wouldn't take the risk on a non-declared material fact when the policy specifically says they don't have to pay out, and you've agreed to this.

They would still have to pay out to any third party. ie. you hit a cyclist with your V6 Colt and you've not declared the engine mod, they'll still cover the cyclists medical/other costs.

dougie-lampkin · 17-01-2014 6:39pm

Then why does section 1 of the contract specifically say they won't pay out? I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely curious why they would put that section in if there was statute saying the opposite.

Del2005 · 17-01-2014 6:40pm

There's a possible issue if the engine is from a car older than the one its currently in. Emissions are based on age, so Euro1 engine in a Euro4 car will most likely fail and be nearly impossible to get it to pass.

homingbird · 17-01-2014 7:25pm

If you tell your insurance company it has a 2.5 engine they will want the logbook changed so you will be paying the dearer tax. Isn't it simpler to play dumb i am not a mechanic put it through the nct if it gets throught leave everything alone.

dgt · 17-01-2014 9:02pm

It's the VIN number they give a hoot about, not the engine. You'll be fine

sawdoubters · 17-01-2014 9:05pm

make sure its not a stolen car

I am sure they will not notice what engine is in it

they will be looking for rust

http://www.motorcheck.ie/faqs/can-you-tell-if-the-vehicle-has-had-its-engine-replaced/

JerCotter7 · 17-01-2014 9:08pm

I put an E30 318i through with a 2.8 in it. Nothing was said and that was going from an 8 valve to a 24 valve so it might look slightly different. Engine was almost 10 years newer than the car. Has to go again next week actually.