If you knew your landlord was not paying tax would you report them?

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:01pm #1

Following on from the thread about dole cheats and reporting them. Just wondering does it change if the person is a LL cheating the system?

TouchingVirus · 16-01-2014 12:02pm

You mean if the landlord wasn't paying tax? If they were paying tax who would I report them to?

howamidifferent · 16-01-2014 12:02pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Following on from the thread about dole cheats and reporting them. Just wondering does it change if the person is a LL cheating the system?

Why would you report someone for paying their taxes?

RobbieTheRobber · 16-01-2014 12:03pm

howamidifferent wrote: »

Why would you report someone for paying their taxes?

God damn tax payers paying their tax have this country in the state it is! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:03pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

You mean if the landlord wasn't paying tax? If they were paying tax who would I report them to?

D'oh mods can you change before the inevitable stupid jokes

TouchingVirus · 16-01-2014 12:03pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

D'oh mods can you change before the inevitable stupid jokes

You can change your thread title by editing your first post

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:04pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

God damn tax payers, paying their tax have this country in the state it is! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Already started:rolleyes:

RobbieTheRobber · 16-01-2014 12:05pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Already started:rolleyes:

Stupid post on after hours caught in stupid jokes Shocker!!!!!

Users warned, Excessive use of roll eyes may occur :rolleyes:

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:05pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

You can change your thread title by editing your first post

Cheers I never noticed the advanced option

TouchingVirus · 16-01-2014 12:08pm

I would report them, but not deliberately. To my knowledge a landlord cannot register your tenancy with the PRTB without flagging it as a rented property with Revenue (and thus paying tax). Since, as a tenant, I want to be registered with the PRTB I would enquire why I'm not registered with them and if the landlord waved me off I would go directly to the PRTB who would in all probability report it to Revenue. So I wouldn't be docking them into revenue directly, but I know that's the eventual outcome. Tough shít really, I want my rights

kneemos · 16-01-2014 12:08pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Stupid post on after hours caught in stupid jokes Shocker!!!!!

Users warned, Excessive use of roll eyes may occur :rolleyes:

Haven't seen a rolleyes for ages.Seems to have been replaced by smilies.

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:10pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

I would report them, but not deliberately. To my knowledge a landlord cannot register your tenancy with the PRTB without flagging it as a rented property with Revenue (and thus paying tax). Since, as a tenant, I want to be registered with the PRTB I would enquire why I'm not registered with them and if the landlord waved me off I would go directly to the PRTB who would in all probability report it to Revenue. So I wouldn't be docking them into revenue directly, but I know that's the eventual outcome. Tough shít really, I want my rights

It doesn't effect your rights if your LL doesn't register and it isn't automatically linked to revenue either

tin79 · 16-01-2014 12:13pm

How hard can it be to type Landlord rather than LL so we know what you are on about.

I thought it was a thread bashing Large Lesbians.

Tiddlypeeps · 16-01-2014 12:13pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It doesn't effect your rights if your LL doesn't register and it isn't automatically linked to revenue either

It is much easier to resolve disputes if you are registered with the PRTB tho.

TouchingVirus · 16-01-2014 12:15pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It doesn't effect your rights if your LL doesn't register and it isn't automatically linked to revenue either

They're required by law to register the tenancy. I don't want there to be issues down the road and my position weakened because I'm not registered. I don't know if that's the actual truth (that I would have a weakened position) but I'd rather not chance it. If the PRTB doesn't have them as a registered landlord and doesn't share info with revenue then I guess I wouldn't actually report them. Can't change my vote though.

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:23pm

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

It is much easier to resolve disputes if you are registered with the PRTB tho.

No difference what so ever

Muise... · 16-01-2014 12:24pm

tin79 wrote: »

How hard can it be to type Landlord rather than LL so we know what you are on about.

I thought it was a thread bashing Large Lesbians.

I didn't get large lesbians because hello Freud, but I did puzzle over it too. Didn't think a landlord warranted a familiar acronym like DH, OH, BF, BFG...

Menas · 16-01-2014 12:54pm

It is none of my business if he pays tax or not.

But I would still need his pps number to claim the renters credit and would want the tenancy registered with the PTSB. And I would not want to pay rent in cash, would need to be via bank transfer.

DeanAustin · 16-01-2014 2:19pm

tin79 wrote: »

How hard can it be to type Landlord rather than LL so we know what you are on about.

I thought it was a thread bashing Large Lesbians.

I thought, and hoped, it stood for lesbian lover. Haven't been this disappointed since it turned out that Kim's uncle wasn't eaten by dogs.

poundapunnet · 16-01-2014 2:25pm

Muise... wrote: »

I didn't get large lesbians because hello Freud, but I did puzzle over it too. Didn't think a landlord warranted a familiar acronym like DH, OH, BF, BFG...

Damn Handy? Darn hootin?

Best f*cking Girl?

What are these acronyms.

Anyways probably no, but depends. Have had a couple of landlords where the property definitely wasn't registered (would get their post delivered there, didn't take rent allowance etc), but I had a lease, they were sound landlords, in both cases it was their only rental property so it wasn't like they were raking in the cash from it.

That said, I don't know if I'd be above getting in a dig at them and doing it if they were horrible landlords, but in my experience they tend to do their best to keep their tenants sweet because they really don't want to draw any attention to themselves from the authorities.

Muise... · 16-01-2014 2:29pm

poundapunnet wrote: »

Damn Handy? Darn hootin?

Best f*cking Girl?

What are these acronyms.

They are three acronyms used by gushing posters on forums: Darling Husband, Other Half, Boyfriend/bestfriend (not sure), oh and Big Friendly Giant.

sparksfly · 16-01-2014 2:37pm

If the landlord is not getting an income, i.e the property is costing more than the rental income, there may be no tax liability.

BradClark · 16-01-2014 2:39pm

Nah I would just mind my one business if the LL was a half decent bloke. If he was a nobhead I would probably go out of my way to stir up some sh1te.

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 4:18pm

sparksfly wrote: »

If the landlord is not getting an income, i.e the property is costing more than the rental income, there may be no tax liability.

Wrong unless you are talking about expenditure on the property. Mortgage for example is not only 75% of the interest part can be written off. It is very difficult to be in that situation and costs a lot of money

User Named · 16-01-2014 5:12pm

If the landlord doesnt allow the tenant rent allowance, is that a clear sign that they arnt registered?

Tiddlypeeps · 16-01-2014 5:19pm

User Named wrote: »

If the landlord doesnt allow the tenant rent allowance, is that a clear sign that they arnt registered?

Nope, lots of landlords don't allow rent allowance sometimes because they are just bigoted against people on the dole and think they will wreck the place and other times it might be out of concern for the tenants ability to consistently pay rent on time.

It may also mean they don't want to register the house for tax purposes, just not always.

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 5:35pm

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Nope, lots of landlords don't allow rent allowance sometimes because they are just bigoted against people on the dole and think they will wreck the place and other times it might be out of concern for the tenants ability to consistently pay rent on time.

It may also mean they don't want to register the house for tax purposes, just not always.

Bigoted isn't true. to take on an RA tenant you are then restricted to what they pay and any cuts from the government. It is a messy system and tenants do not take responsibility if their RA is cut.

Most experienced LL don't take RA for the above reasons and more. That is just the practicalities of it not bigotry.

Artful_Badger · 16-01-2014 5:39pm

I'd have a little chat about how tough I'm finding it to pay the rent of late and how it'd be an awful shame if I had to move out and someone else moved in who might not be as easy to get along with....

flanders1979 · 16-01-2014 5:39pm

I rented off a thundering cnut for 5 years. She got the house off some poor sap in a divorce settlement, paid no tax. She tried to stiff me on the deposit for no reason other than being a sulky little cnut. I threatened her with the taxman and got my deposit.
I reported the bitch anyway.

UCDVet · 16-01-2014 5:46pm

I would - but just in the hopes of keeping LPT off my arse.

Those feckers stole 300 quid off me MONTHS ago. I've called, I've e-mailed, I've written letters and I'm still without. Absolute madness.

UCDVet · 16-01-2014 5:47pm

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Nope, lots of landlords don't allow rent allowance sometimes because they are just bigoted against people on the dole and think they will wreck the place and other times it might be out of concern for the tenants ability to consistently pay rent on time.

It may also mean they don't want to register the house for tax purposes, just not always.

Is it still bigotry if it is true?

Cuddlesworth · 16-01-2014 5:49pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

To my knowledge a landlord cannot register your tenancy with the PRTB without flagging it as a rented property with Revenue (and thus paying tax).

I love how people think our government departments actually talk to each other. Or could actually talk to each other.

Most of the time Revenue couldn't give a **** either.

Tiddlypeeps · 16-01-2014 5:53pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Bigoted isn't true. to take on an RA tenant you are then restricted to what they pay and any cuts from the government. It is a messy system and tenants do not take responsibility if their RA is cut.

Most experienced LL don't take RA for the above reasons and more. That is just the practicalities of it not bigotry.

I said some, not all.

UCDVet wrote: »

Is it still bigotry if it is true?

No, but is it true that all tenants seeking rent allowance will reck the house?

UCDVet · 16-01-2014 6:15pm

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I said some, not all.

No, but is it true that all tenants seeking rent allowance will reck the house?

Generally, I find that questions in the format of 'Is it true that all _______ do ________' are false. I'd assume that not all tenants seeking rent allowance will not wreck the house.

But you'd have a heck of a lot better chance getting money for your wrecked house if you went after someone with a job than someone without.

Heck, I'm an immigrant and I'll be honest, if I were renting a house in Dublin I *would not* rent to immigrants (assuming I can legally choose not to, I dunno what the laws are). I've known too many immigrants like myself who will not pay rent the last month or two when they know they are going home. Good luck tracking down someone who left for India or the US to get back your 1200 euro in rent.

That's just me though.

BrokenArrows · 16-01-2014 6:37pm

Depends. You might end up having to move house when the landlord has to sell to cover his tax bill!

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