Scientologists in Ireland cut "an 85% drop in drug-related crime"

Mr.McLovin

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/scientology-leader-praises-irish-followers-29919818.html

A Scientology leader has praised the following in Ireland, claiming they are behind an "an 85% drop in drug-related crime".

Fair play to them :rolleyes:

Daqster

Who knew the soliciting of footpath personality tests could be so powerful.

J_E

That guy looks like a Ken doll...

preston johnny

What a bunch of cults

MonstaMash

Nutty as squirrel ****, the whole lot of them.

Jester252

Sign me up Scotty

seamus

Well, of course we'll accept that. I mean, it's not like Scientology goes around just making stuff up now, is it?

They also showed a video of an interview with Scientology at Ocean FM at one of their major Scientology conferences.

The whole thing was fake. Scientology claimed it was "re-enactment", even though no such interview ever took place.

http://www.oceanfm.ie/sp/article_manager/detail/ocean_fm_amazed_at_inclusion_in_scientology_video

TeddyTedson

I think they're a bunch of trolls to be honest. They love the media being interested in them. They make such ridiculous claims and get noticed. They're kind of dull though in reality.

iDave

Great, fair play to them........if true of course.
Now if they stopped bullying, brainwashing and financially scamming people it would be a great organisation altogether.

Riddle101

Nanananananana Leader, nananananana Leader. Leader, Leader.... BATMAN!!! I mean Leader.

brevity

He doesn't look anything like the beans!

Lone Stone

but guys !! you can pay large sums of cash for super powers :eek: thats how they fight crime on the down low.

Duggy747

Who keeps back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do.

kneemos

In Scientology's case it literally is the big man in the sky.

El Siglo

Considering they believe that an alien lord brought billions of 'his' people to earth in spaceships that look like DC-8 aircraft and dropped them into volcanoes and killed them with hydrogen bombs... I'm going to go out on the limb and say that the article is bollocks.

Dyr

Could he look anymore like an evil villain?

RobbingBandit

So those weird looking guys outside shops in Dublin over Christmas looking for money to fight the war on drugs weren't junkies after all they were Scientologists. Xenu be praised all heil Xenu.

Cienciano

Do they still do personality tests in dublin? Wouldn't mind doing one for the laugh

WilyCoyote

How come David Miscavige has not been questioned about kidnapping, fraud, disappearances etc? Is it because he has friends in high places?
Do they still qualify as a tax free religion?

Terry1985

They took 85% of junkies money from them?

mikom

Speaking during a New Year's message to Scientologists, leader David Miscavige said the "Irish mission" is successful, while also calling Ireland a "land of both enduring beauty and beautiful sadness".

Dave McSavage?

BillyMitchel

All this rubbish was on Joey D earlier. Half of them should be in a mental hospital. Bunch of morons.

melekalikimaka

I did a college project on them... they do actually spend huge money on support projects in the cities they are based, mad as a bag of spiders, the lot of them, but they do some good with their charity work

mikom

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I did a college project on them... they do actually spend huge money on support projects in the cities they are based, mad as a bag of spiders, the lot of them, but they do some good with their charity work

Money fleeced from their drones and their drones families.

stevedublin

Duggy747 wrote: »

Who keeps back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do.

Thats the Freemasons, you disinformation agent you!

The_Valeyard

Hold up a second, I thought there were no more Scientologists In Ireland, according to the last census. Were they all out of the country that week or something?

MJ23

Americans again haw.

For Forks Sake

stevedublin wrote: »

Thats the Freemasons, you disinformation agent you!

Stonecutters you fool. .attach the rock of shame.

Son Of A Vidic

The guy pictured in the article has his Joseph Goebbels like pose down to a T.

Mal-Adjusted

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Do they still qualify as a tax free religion?

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Hold up a second, I thought there were no more Scientologists In Ireland, according to the last census. Were they all out of the country that week or something?

Their status varies from country to country.

From Wikipedia
In Ireland, the Church of Scientology has not been successful in its attempts to obtain tax-free, charitable status.[34] Scientology maintains a mission in Dublin.

The above suggests that it's not a recognized religion, hence why there may be no census information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country

FouxDaFaFa

Cienciano wrote: »

Do they still do personality tests in dublin? Wouldn't mind doing one for the laugh

They do, afaik.

If you do one, don't give them any real personal information. They'll hound you.

I thought the Ocean FM thing was hilarious. Clearly, they were just hoping no-one would notice.

WilyCoyote

mikom wrote: »

Dave McSavage?

Almost correct

the groutch

Duggy747 wrote: »

Who keeps back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do.

That's the organisation formerly known as The Stonecutters, now known as The Ancient Mystic Society of No Homers

The_Valeyard

the groutch wrote: »

That's the organisation formerly known as The Stonecutters, now known as The Ancient Mystic Society of No Homers

To be fair, they are allowed one Homer.

seamus

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Hold up a second, I thought there were no more Scientologists In Ireland, according to the last census. Were they all out of the country that week or something?

They would be under "other" I think, if they were in at all.

They've been absolutely caned in Ireland, which is probably why they felt the need to make stuff up for their annual worldwide conference. Most Irish people know to be wary of them and vulnerable people tend to stick with the catholic church. If they have membership figures hitting 3 digits in this country, I'd be very surprised. Most of the Scientologists in this country are most likely non-Irish missionaries.

They have a little more purchase on the US west coast because you have a gaggle of celebrity morons legitimising scientology and people tend to forget that just because somebody is famous, doesn't mean they're intelligent.

Scientology itself claims that its members are more likely to claim their ethnic heritage when asked about religion on a survey. Which sounds like grade-A bull to me.

Lou.m

melekalikimaka I did a college project on them... they do actually spend huge money on support projects in the cities they are based, mad as a bag of spiders, the lot of them, but they do some good with their charity work

They do a lot of damage
http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/and-more/scientology-being-investigated-for-human-trafficking-by-fbi_149011.html

http://exscientologykids.com/

Scientology's disconnection policy, in which members are encouraged to cut off all contact with friends or family members who are "antagonistic" to Scientology.[266]
The death of a Scientologist Lisa McPherson while in the care of the church. (Robert Minton sponsored the multi-million dollar lawsuit against Scientology for the death of McPherson. In May 2004, McPherson's estate and the Church of Scientology reached a confidential settlement.)[267]
Criminal activities committed on behalf of the church or directed by church officials (Operation Snow White, Operation Freakout).
Conflicting statements about L. Ron Hubbard's life, in particular accounts of Hubbard discussing his intent to start a religion for profit and of his service in the military.[34]
Scientology's harassment and litigious actions against its critics encouraged by its Fair Game policy.[34]
Attempts to legally force search engines such as Google and Yahoo! to omit any webpages critical of Scientology from their search engines (and in Google's case, AdSense), or at least the first few search pages.[268]
Allegations by a former high-ranking Scientologist that Scientology leader David Miscavige beats and demoralizes staff, and that physical violence by superiors towards staff working for them is a common occurrence in the church.[269][270] Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis denied these claims and provided witnesses to rebut them.[269]
In October 2009, a French court found the Church of Scientology guilty of organized fraud. Four officers of the organization were fined and given suspended prison sentences of up to 2 years. Prosecutors had hoped to achieve a ban of Scientology in France, but due to a temporary change in French law, which "made it impossible to dissolve a legal entity on the grounds of fraud", no ban was pronounced.[271] The sentence was confirmed by appeal court in February 2012.[272]
In November 2009, Australian Senator Nick Xenophon used a speech in Federal Parliament to allege that the Church of Scientology is a criminal organization. Based on letters from former followers of the religion, he said that there were "allegations of forced imprisonment, coerced abortions, and embezzlement of church funds, of physical violence and intimidation, blackmail and the widespread and deliberate abuse of information obtained by the organization"

biko

Scientology, apparently it can fix everything...

themadhair

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I did a college project on them... they do actually spend huge money on support projects in the cities they are based....

Actually they don't, and this is the sort of lying that needs to be called out more often as it seems to be effective in ingratiating them to local politicians.

Let's take their building works and illustrate the idea with their 'Ideal Org' strategy. In a particular location the local Scientologists are 'regged' (put through fundraising shakedowns, only twenty times harder than what you imagine) until a decent building in that area can be bought. Then, after that building is signed over to international management, the local Scientologists are 'regged' again for building furnishings, upkeep and rent. It's practically fraud when you look into the details. The bottom line is that, for such building projects, the Scientology organisation itself pays feck all while turning the project into an effective money-spinner for them.

This tactic applies to other PR projects as well. Consider the leaflets they hand out (whether that be recruitment for management-directed events, drugs related, TWTH, etc.). Due to how the licensing works on their copyright those generally have to be printed from a Scientology owned printing company (for the EU this is usually their Danish outfit New Era Publications). So, yet again, the local Scientologists are 'regged' to essentially buy leaflet product from the Scientology organisation, with the money being siphoned off in licensing and copyright fees funnelled up the organisation. Again a money spinner dressed up to look like charitable work. If leaflets were to be printed in the nearest Irish printers they could be done for a small fraction of the cost - but any savings are eaten up in the licensing fees by design. On the face of it, arguing against fundraising for informational leaflets may seem odd. But when you learn the details of how it is, in essence, a money-making (as well as a recruitment) tool then it becomes clearer.

If your college project concluded what seems to be implied in your quote then, sadly, you got duped. No shame in that, happens to the best of us when a group this nefarious and prone to lying is involved.

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

...hence why there may be no census information.

Even if census info was available it could not be considered anyway reliable. Consider, just to illustrate some of the difficulties, Mary Johnston on the Late Late show back in the day. She was in it for years thinking it was a self-help group, and had no idea they were claiming to be a religion. That's not an uncommon story and would mean a lot of folks wouldn't fill out the census to indicate they're in Scientology. Even Scientologists who do consider Scientology a religion may also consider themselves Catholic, Jew or whatever due to how Scientology is portrayed as being compatible with ideologies (at least until you OT3 where you learn all religions are false memory implanted in us by evil forces to enslave us). Where countries do have census data it is, to put it mildly, extremely unreliable.

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While all this might be hilarious, it is important to remember that behind all of this are plenty of people this organisation has damaged financially, mentally and in terms of their social circle. The 85% claim may seem utterly crazy, but these really do buy into these claims. Consider this an insight into just how much this organisation can warp people and degrade their cognitive and critical thinking faculties. Personally I hopeful (likely naively so) that the recent barrage of coverage and debunking of some of their claims might help some Dublin members to realise they're being scammed, conned and exploited.

Mal-Adjusted

for anyone intirested, pat Kenny is interviewing one of their members now concerning the 85 thing...

the_monkey

El Siglo wrote: »

Considering they believe that an alien lord brought billions of 'his' people to earth in spaceships that look like DC-8 aircraft and dropped them into volcanoes and killed them with hydrogen bombs... I'm going to go out on the limb and say that the article is bollocks.

I'm not a gambling man, but i'll 2nd that bet !

diograis

the irony when christians show derision towards scientologists beliefs. "Look at all the impossible unrealistic things they believe aren't they hilarious?"

tritium

diograis wrote: »

the irony when christians show derision towards scientologists beliefs. "Look at all the impossible unrealistic things they believe aren't they hilarious?"

What about when the non Christians show derision?

ArrahShure

diograis wrote: »

the irony when christians show derision towards scientologists beliefs. "Look at all the impossible unrealistic things they believe aren't they hilarious?"

Well, the important thing is you've found a way to feel superior to both... :pac:

hedgehog2

I heard that member on Pat Kenny,she seemed very coached in her response to Pats questions.
She mentioned she was a Christian a buddhist and a muslim in the past.
They just sucker poor souls who are lost and brain wash them.

Mal-Adjusted

diograis wrote: »

the irony when christians show derision towards scientologists beliefs. "Look at all the impossible unrealistic things they believe aren't they hilarious?"

To be fair, it's not their beliefs that have people so antagonistic towards them, it's their actions. The fleecing of members, their policy of disassociation, their continued extreme harassment of former members/journalists/critics, squirreling, operation freakout, operation snow white... but whip Tom Cruise out every now and then and it's all forgotten.

Anahita

Protest Scientology in Ireland

Saturday, January 25th 11am-5pm

Dublin Org

See: further details:
www.anonireland.com


January 25th, 2014 from 11am to 5pm – ‘Church’ of Scientology Mission of Dublin Ltd, 64 Middle Abbey Street, Dublin 1

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland.116240/

Show them they are NOT welcome to use Ireland to promote their evil dangerous cult!!

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland.116240/