Buying car from dealer with no tax....

JohnCleary

Buying a car next week (all going well) from a dealer, but it's had no tax since Nov. Car has been sitting there since then (asking price was way OTT putting people off I imagine)

So when I buy it, it'll have no tax. I presume the procedure here is wait eagerly for the log book to be posted to me, then get straight into my local council to tax it instantly? I presume if I go in at the end of Jan, i'll be caught for paying tax for all of Jan? The log-book will show the change of ownership being around 15 Jan.

If I went in on 1st Feb (I can drive my old car until then), could I get it taxed from then on? Or am I liable from when I bought it with the new tax laws (which I never read up on as I never had a car off the road)

Cheers folks

blindside88

When you receive the log book you can now tax online. If the car changes to your name in January you are liable for tax for that month. I was in the same situation, bought a car in November that was out of tax since July

Odyssey 2005

Leave the car there until Feb 1 if you can. May not be practical I know, work commitments etc, but tax to the gov for nothing is less practical IMO.

JohnCleary

blindside88 wrote: »

When you receive the log book you can now tax online. If the car changes to your name in January you are liable for tax for that month. I was in the same situation, bought a car in November that was out of tax since July

Yeah i'm aware of online payment, but I want to get it from the local council so that I can put the disc on the window ASAP.

Boll1x to that anyway - I'll technically be paying them tax for 2 cars right now ... and i'm not picking the car up until next week, half way through the month!

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Leave the car there until Feb 1 if you can. May not be practical I know, work commitments etc, but tax to the gov for nothing is less practical IMO.

Ideally i'd leave it there until Feb but not practical, as you say.


Thanks for the heads up re. liability though - I'd feel an awful gombeen if I went into the council on 1st Feb only to find out I was liable for January anyway

biko

You pay from start of the month of purchase, not when you pick it up.
So if you can, wait until Feb1 to sign papers and dealer sends logbook off to Shannon.

redfacedbear

If you are not putting the car on the road immediately you have 10 days from date of sale to notify your mto of that fact. Assuming you buy the car on the 15th therefore if you have an RF150 into them by the 25th you won't be liable for tax for January (if you intend to keep you old car going until Feb).

JohnCleary

redfacedbear wrote: »

If you are not putting the car on the road immediately you have 10 days from date of sale to notify your mto of that fact. Assuming you buy the car on the 15th therefore if you have an RF150 into them by the 25th you won't be liable for tax for January (if you intend to keep you old car going until Feb).

That's great to know, thanks. I wonder is it unlikely to have my log book by 25th Jan though?

Or can I declare that it won't be on the road until Feb (ie. off the road for Jan) without the log book? (All i'll have until then is dealer receipts etc.)


-EDIT-
As an alternative, if I decide I want to use the car ASAP, it's just a case of waiting for the log book to arrive and then into the council? In all honesty I can't see myself letting the car sit there for over 2 weeks. I just fear the waiting game for the log book... can't tax the car until I get the log book, can't (shouldn't) drive it until I get tax. I'd be happy to just pay the damn tax ASAP and be done with it

4th horsemen

You'd think they'd tax it for a 3/6 or 12 months since your spending a lot of money buying their car!!!
Thought that might be standard enough unless your getting good deal.

JohnCleary

4th horsemen wrote: »

You'd think they'd tax it for a 3/6 or 12 months since your spending a lot of money buying their car!!!
Thought that might be standard enough unless your getting good deal.

I tried that, they told me they weren't willing to tax it as I had them at rock-bottom tbh (and in fairness, importing a similar car privately from the UK would cost me more after VRT so I can't see how i'm losing out here)

4th horsemen

JohnCleary wrote: »

I tried that, they told me they weren't willing to tax it as I had them at rock-bottom tbh (and in fairness, importing a similar car privately from the UK would cost me more after VRT so I can't see how i'm losing out here)

Ah yeah, if your getting a good deal then that is grand.

Just if there was no major deal struck and they still wouldn't tax it, would have been bad form.

Good luck with your new car also, hope it's not pre 2008 3Ltr !!!!

No Pants

Is there no way to declare it off the road, seeing as the OP just bought it?

JohnCleary

4th horsemen wrote: »

Ah yeah, if your getting a good deal then that is grand.

Just if there was no major deal struck and they still wouldn't tax it, would have been bad form.

Good luck with your new car also, hope it's not pre 2008 3Ltr !!!!

08 2.2 l
Expensive tax but this era of car is regarded as 'bulletproof' from any forums i've searched over the past few months. The 2009 (although cheaper tax) had some issues including injectors - tbh the extra 350 a year on tax won't break the bank, it's an extra 1 euro per day.

No Pants wrote: »

Is there no way to declare it off the road, seeing as the OP just bought it?

From my understanding...
The dealer will say date of purchase 15/1/2014. The tax inbetween Nov & Dec 2013 (the tax ran out in Nov 2013) will be written off. If I want to drive the car instantly (well, ASAP), I will be liable for tax from 1 Jan 2014 - I can pay this with the log book arrives

Alternatively, if I get a RF150 into the tax office before 25th Jan I can declare it off the road until end of Jan (can't see that happening) - Do I need the log book for this? Or just receipt from the dealer?

redfacedbear

JohnCleary wrote: »

From my understanding...
The dealer will say date of purchase 15/1/2014. The tax inbetween Nov & Dec 2013 (the tax ran out in Nov 2013) will be written off. If I want to drive the car instantly (well, ASAP), I will be liable for tax from 1 Jan 2014 - I can pay this with the log book arrives

Alternatively, if I get a RF150 into the tax office before 25th Jan I can declare it off the road until end of Jan (can't see that happening) - Do I need the log book for this? Or just receipt from the dealer?

Strictly speaking you don't have to wait for the log-book, once the car is in your name on the computer you can tax it. If your dealer can do the transfer on-line (and if he is decent with his paperwork - a big if!) that should happen overnight and you should be able to go your tax office on the 16th. A phone call before you travel will confirm if this has happened. You will be paying for all of January.

You shouldn't need any supporting documentation if you go the RF150 route - just fill out the section that says 'I've just bought this car but I'm not putting it on the road.'

JohnCleary

redfacedbear wrote: »

Strictly speaking you don't have to wait for the log-book, once the car is in your name on the computer you can tax it. If your dealer can do the transfer on-line (and if he is decent with his paperwork - a big if!) that should happen overnight and you should be able to go your tax office on the 16th. A phone call before you travel will confirm if this has happened. You will be paying for all of January.

You shouldn't need any supporting documentation if you go the RF150 route - just fill out the section that says 'I've just bought this car but I'm not putting it on the road.'

Thanks for that. I'll ask the dealer if he can do change of ownership online (didn't realise this was possible). If so then great and I can hopefully tax car 16th or soon after.

Failing that I may have to go down the RF150 route, if I can stay obedient

JohnCleary

Just chasing up on this... I want to drive the car ASAP.

So just to summarise:
Bought car today 15/1/2014
Tax expired Nov 2013

Assuming that the VLC get's to Shannon and i'm the new owner 'on computer' by Friday 17th...

Is it just a case of walking in to local council with an RF100A?

Do I need to bring in an RF150 stating it was off the road from Nov 2013 - Jan 2013? Or will they see that from change of ownership (from dealer, I have a receipt dated 15/1/2014)

Cheers

bazz26

Once it is registered over to you then you could try the PIN retrieval process on the motor tax website and tax it online.

JohnCleary

bazz26 wrote: »

Once it is registered over to you then you could try the PIN retrieval process on the motor tax website and tax it online.

I want to drive it this weekend hence call into council office on Fri to get a disc. I don't mind calling into the council office at all, provided I can get my damned disc!

No Pants

bazz26 wrote: »

Once it is registered over to you then you could try the PIN retrieval process on the motor tax website and tax it online.

That's what I did last February. Checked every day and when it recognised my details (car transferred to my name), I requested a PIN, paid the tax due and printed off a copy of the receipt for the glovebox. Just in case I encountered a checkpoint.

George Dalton

If the dealer you bought the car off is able to do the transfer of ownership online then the car will be in your name in 1-2 working days. Then you can go into the tax office and tax the car. You don't have to wait for the VLC to arrive in the post.