The Death of Osama Bin Laden

Generally I find most conspiracy theories unreliable and full of supposition with little basis in fact.
Most are easily debunked....

What I find a bit weird is the lack of a conspiracy theory about the death of "Osama Bin Laden" when this is an obvious candidate for a conspiracy type theory.

My belief is that he was dead years before the U.S military "killed" him but kept "alive" as a convienient "scare" tactic by the Bush administration.

Helicopters come into his compound and Special Forces kill him without any U.S. military casualties !!!

C'mon, this was a fearless mujahadeen, a veteran of many conflicts....

No photo's of the body.....none.

Fact is no one saw him die, no photo's of the supposed deceased, no evidence of death presented.

I suppose the big problem here is Mrs. Bin Laden is going to have one hell of a hard job trying to claim the Life Insurance from his Insurance Company.

On the flip side here I suppose you could say there have been no more broadcasts of him since....but you could also pre suppose these were false because he was already dead and they were nothing more than crude audio "shorts" made by NSA types to back up the myth....

Osama "alive" contributed greatly to draconian legislative enactment (The Patriot Act springs to mind).

He helped create a vast network of "Torture Chambers" in countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Poland, Romania, and Estonia among many others.

He contributed to "Extraordinary Rendition".

He helped make Shannon a stop over which U.S. planes used while carrying "kidnapped" citizens from all over the world.

He helped cripple freedom of association.

He helped create the overarching security and spy network that the U.S.A operates today...........

Without a living "Bin Laden" many of the machinations of various governments and much "black ops" would never have got off the ground.

Nuff said.............:D

Please, somebody prove me wrong.

Jimmy Garlic

I always found it funny that Osama insisted on using crappy old camcorders and cassette tapes right up until his death. The guy at the head of the most fantastical organisation since Thunderbirds couldn't get his hands on a half decent camera or a laptop.

Dublin Red Devil

I don't believe it went down like the Americans said it did. Either he died years before that or he's still alive and living under the protection of the US

kryogen

He had been very ill for a long, long time, constantly hooked to a dialysis machine really. I would imagine he died years ago tbh. Good PR for the Obama presidency though (that was wavering) and he provided the world with a bad guy to be scared of so America could go about securing its overseas interests

weisses

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I always found it funny that Osama insisted on using crappy old camcorders and cassette tapes right up until his death. The guy at the head of the most fantastical organisation since Thunderbirds couldn't get his hands on a half decent camera or a laptop.

That part in bold is only spin from those who engaged in the war on terror, there are way more sophisticated terrorists groups out there who are never mentioned

Tzar Chasm

true, the IRA communications network would have put them lads to shame in their heyday, the RA always had a commitment to developing its own technology, be it communications or weapons, think about the razorblade radio, or the homemade AA gun that took down some helicopters.

without a shedload of external support from the saudis and training from the CIA alquaeda would just be a bunch of pissed off goat herders shaking their fist at the sky.

the RA & ETA, were in a different league, UEFA cup vs Junior B hurlers.

Brown Bomber

Deleted User wrote: »

Please, somebody prove me wrong.

If this doesn't prove it to you nothing will. This is the actual moment they killed him.

Brown Bomber

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

true, the IRA communications network would have put them lads to shame in their heyday, the RA always had a commitment to developing its own technology, be it communications or weapons, think about the razorblade radio, or the homemade AA gun that took down some helicopters.

without a shedload of external support from the saudis and training from the CIA alquaeda would just be a bunch of pissed off goat herders shaking their fist at the sky.

the RA & ETA, were in a different league, UEFA cup vs Junior B hurlers.

Rubbish. You've must never have seen the videos of Al Qaeda training on the monkey bars.

This video has just been smuggled out of the tribal regions of Pakistan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__GraJ1hck8

Brown Bomber

There is another curious aspect which can only have been seen in retrospect, the timing of the so-called death.

In the first place the announcement came hours after NATO had killed with "humanitarian" bombs 3 of Gadaffi's innocent grandchildren. This war crime was buried in the news by the announcement.

What we couldn't have known at the time was the shift in US policy and methods for carrying out regime change in states not subservient enough to the US. Obama was moving away from the Neocon policy of direct invasion and occupation and back towards the Machiavellian Reagan doctrine which sees the US wage war by proxy - arming and training death squads and mercernaries and using your assets in the media to promote their "humanitarian" cause.

So where does Osama fit into all this? By the time of Bin Laden's death the US had formed an alliance with Al Qaeda to overthrow Gadaffi as they would do later on in Syria.

Being on the same side as Bin Laden is obviously a PR nightmare, He is a headline maker. Al Qaeda through it's new leader Ayman al Zawahiri supported the "jihad" in Libya and then Syria, nobody really took much notice in the West. However, this sanctioning would have been important to the international mujahadeen types who the CIA needed to recruit and train to fight Obama's war.

Bin Laden on the other hand was one of the most famous men in the world and was a headline maker and was therefore needed to be taken out of the picture. To preserve his credibility he would have been required to support the jihad in secular Libya (and secular Syria) but this would have been a disaster for his former and possibly current paymasters, the CIA so he needed to be taken out of the picture.

rwg

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

true, the IRA communications network would have put them lads to shame in their heyday, the RA always had a commitment to developing its own technology, be it communications or weapons, think about the razorblade radio, or the homemade AA gun that took down some helicopters.

without a shedload of external support from the saudis and training from the CIA alquaeda would just be a bunch of pissed off goat herders shaking their fist at the sky.

the RA & ETA, were in a different league, UEFA cup vs Junior B hurlers.

The ra werent fighting 'merica - and didnt have a figurehead to be aimed at.

saintsaltynuts

He's brown bread alright.He was killed by The Turbinator.

Torakx

rwg wrote: »

The ra werent fighting 'merica - and didnt have a figurehead to be aimed at.

And they were organized and trained by MI5-6 most likely.

Tzar Chasm

no, the RA weren't fighting America, they were fighting an experienced and entrenched british government, an organization with much more experirence in opresion and genocide along with far less quibbles about the rights of the 'enemy'

Jimmy Garlic

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Bin Laden on the other hand was one of the most famous men in the world and was a headline maker and was therefore needed to be taken out of the picture. To preserve his credibility he would have been required to support the jihad in secular Libya (and secular Syria) but this would have been a disaster for his former and possibly current paymasters, the CIA so he needed to be taken out of the picture.

There isn't a shred of credible evidence to prove that Bin Laden was still alive post 2001. Some absolutely laughable fake videos were released over the years, none of them convincing.

This one here is a blatantly obvious fake -

Obviously that is not the real Osama Bin Laden. Only a mug would believe that it was.

Jimmy Garlic

Brown Bomber wrote: »

If this doesn't prove it to you nothing will. This is the actual moment they killed him.

The only thing that proves is that people can sit around a table and look pensive. They could have been watching Jerry Springer for all you know.

Tzar Chasm

well, according to reliable sources they didn't have the death of UBL on screen, apparently there were. technical issues with the live broadcast, so that image was staged after the event

brianthomas

Brown Bomber wrote: »

If this doesn't prove it to you nothing will. This is the actual moment they killed him.

That could easily be the reaction when they were told Domino's was closed!

Dr. Bre

is there any possibility osama could have been killed before 9/11? if so that could open a can of worms

MonaPizza

Deleted User wrote: »

Generally I find most conspiracy theories unreliable and full of supposition with little basis in fact.
Most are easily debunked....

What I find a bit weird is the lack of a conspiracy theory about the death of "Osama Bin Laden" when this is an obvious candidate for a conspiracy type theory.

My belief is that he was dead years before the U.S military "killed" him but kept "alive" as a convienient "scare" tactic by the Bush administration.

Helicopters come into his compound and Special Forces kill him without any U.S. military casualties !!!

C'mon, this was a fearless mujahadeen, a veteran of many conflicts....

No photo's of the body.....none.

Fact is no one saw him die, no photo's of the supposed deceased, no evidence of death presented.

I suppose the big problem here is Mrs. Bin Laden is going to have one hell of a hard job trying to claim the Life Insurance from his Insurance Company.

On the flip side here I suppose you could say there have been no more broadcasts of him since....but you could also pre suppose these were false because he was already dead and they were nothing more than crude audio "shorts" made by NSA types to back up the myth....

Osama "alive" contributed greatly to draconian legislative enactment (The Patriot Act springs to mind).

He helped create a vast network of "Torture Chambers" in countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Poland, Romania, and Estonia among many others.

He contributed to "Extraordinary Rendition".

He helped make Shannon a stop over which U.S. planes used while carrying "kidnapped" citizens from all over the world.

He helped cripple freedom of association.

He helped create the overarching security and spy network that the U.S.A operates today...........

Without a living "Bin Laden" many of the machinations of various governments and much "black ops" would never have got off the ground.

Nuff said.............:D

Please, somebody prove me wrong.

Bin Laden was reported as having died in December 2001:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/

The videos that he has appeared in have mostly been faked. Allegedly he was "offed" in, when 2011/2012?, and his body "dumped" at sea. And the reason for this was to not offend Muslim "sensitivities"

Who or Earth writes this crap? and mores to the point...who actually believes it?

Every few months there is some "Al Qaeda second in command" ... what a joke. Judging by Rumsfeld's assertion (and I hope he should know since he was a Defense Expert...Defense Secretary actually) there were only a couple of hundred Al Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan. Now they are supposedly running the show in Nigeria, Somalia, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Oman, Mali, Sudan (north and south) ..... that's a lot of places for a few hundred "dead-enders" to control.

It's laughable.

sawdoubters

they never produced a body only a few photos

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313

Torakx

sawdoubters wrote: »

they never produced a body only a few photos

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313

Bin Laden was, after all, the man CIA director Leon Panetta called "the most infamous terrorist in our time," who devoured inordinate amounts of our collective cultural imagery for more than a decade. The number-one celebrity of evil

I thought that was Bush lol

Also it said in that article they figured all the occupants in the house would be wearing suicide vests....
Do they think "terrorists" go to bed with their Jihad edition suicide vests on each night.. sounds a bit ridiculous just on that note alone.

Also strange there was loads of opium under the beds when the taliban band the growing of opium apparently.

Tzar Chasm

well, teh talliban probably banned anyone other than them from growing opium.

the british have gone to war to protect that industry before

Just a slightly different note.
Does anyone remember the Palestinian money man who died in his Ballsbridge apartment eight or nine years ago when his gas boiler "malfunctioned".
Gotta love the Isralies.................

Torakx

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well, teh talliban probably banned anyone other than them from growing opium.

the british have gone to war to protect that industry before

I was under the impression the taliban prevented farmers growing opium and the western armies rolled in to clear the place up and allow the farmers to earn a living growing again.
But I was also under the impression the west stood behnd Bin Ladin esque attacks.
I guess if both are true it still makes sense. One taliban is the original and the one we hear about on the news relating to terrorist attacks on useless targets are the wests Taliban..
I'm open to hearing other versions or proof of something. I don't have time for reasearch on this stuff anymore.

Tzar Chasm

sorry, being a bit glib there earlier, stats seem to confirm that the talliban did indeed drastically reduce the opium harvest in 2001, they banned production in 2000, so there were a few years prior to that where they seemed happy enough to collect the revenue, then they got 'liberated' in 2001

there are a few links which verify this, i'll lob one up later when I have an actual pc to edit then down to size