Building Regs/ build unit(apt) in garden

handlemaster

Is it allowable to build a unit for habitation in my back garden? Fingal area. What are the regs in relation to this? I have seen some houses with same.

Gumbo

handlemaster wrote: »

Is it allowable to build a unit for habitation in my back garden? Fingal area. What are the regs in relation to this? I have seen some houses with same.

Generally no.
You can get a granny flat but it must be connected to the house.

You cannot build an extra dwelling without all the achillary extras that goes with it, parking, access, private open space etc

handlemaster

Access .. side of house.
Parking ... large front garden can be decided if need be
Auxaillary works are a given.
I have seen it done . L

archtech

handlemaster wrote: »

I have seen it done . L

If then why are you asking here. Arrange a per planning with local planning authority and they will tell you if your idea is permitted under the development plan .

4Sticks

handlemaster wrote: »

Is it allowable to build a unit for habitation in my back garden?

Usually not.

handlemaster wrote: »

What are the regs in relation to this?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0030/print.html

handlemaster

archtech wrote: »

If then why are you asking here. Arrange a per planning with local planning authority and they will tell you if your idea is permitted under the development plan .

I've seen a lot of things doesn't mean its legal;-)

sydthebeat

handlemaster wrote: »

I've seen a lot of things doesn't mean its legal;-)

You asked is it allowable.

handlemaster

sydthebeat wrote: »

You asked is it allowable.

Correct. Is it ? Under planning ? Do you know ? It appears not. Will consult with a greater power

4Sticks

Spend your money build away there is no power on earth to stop you.

You see the wonderful thing about the world of the internet is it will tell what you want to hear eventually if you just wait for it.

archtech

handlemaster wrote: »

Correct. Is it ? Under planning ? Do you know ? It appears not. Will consult with a greater power

I've told you what to do and where you will get the necessary correct advice at minimal cost.

4Sticks

handlemaster wrote: »

Correct. Is it ? Under planning ? Do you know ? It appears not. Will consult with a greater power

The list of delightful posters seeking help and who it is genuine pleasure to respond to just grows and grows.I am quite sure YOU will get plenty of help with other posters very eager to tell you what you must do.

Gumbo

handlemaster wrote: »

Access .. side of house.
Parking ... large front garden can be decided if need be
Auxaillary works are a given.
I have seen it done . L

All have no relationship to a proposed dwelling in your rear garden. It will not be granted legally.

handlemaster

4Sticks wrote: »

The list of delightful posters seeking help and who it is genuine pleasure to respond to just grows and grows.I am quite sure YOU will get plenty of help with other posters very eager to tell you what you must do.

I get your meaning. But I know planning would tell me that's obvious. People ask these yhing s on boards because it gets a quick answer. Some of the replys are plain obvious e.g if I asked about an issue with my car I'm sure they would say take it to a garage. I think you are allowed to build but it has to be for domestic use i.e some one from the family must occupy it. There is a house for sale in crumlin .. cashel avenue they have done it.. can't put up link as on phone . It looks like a good job to.

BryanF

handlemaster wrote: »

Is it allowable to build a unit for habitation in my back garden? Fingal area. What are the regs in relation to this? I have seen some houses with same.

please post a recent precedence (in Crumlin or where ever it is your building) where this has been done or take the advice given

kceire wrote: »

Generally no.
You can get a granny flat but it must be connected to the house.

You cannot build an extra dwelling without all the achillary extras that goes with it, parking, access, private open space etc

handlemaster wrote: »

I have seen it done . L

please post an example of a house where this has been done or take the advice given

handlemaster wrote: »

I've seen a lot of things doesn't mean its legal;-)

Any thread/post that is looking for ways to get around the planning process, or building regulations, or any other statutory legislation, or advising somebody to ignore these legislations and regulations, will be deleted and the poster will be banned. All genuine planning queries can be debated!
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handlemaster wrote: »

I get your meaning. But I know planning would tell me that's obvious. People ask these yhing s on boards because it gets a quick answer.

IMHO take the advice given..

I think you are allowed to build but it has to be for domestic use i.e some one from the family must occupy it.

if you think your allowed, then ill close the thread, shall I?

handlemaster

BryanF wrote: »

please post a recent precedence (in Crumlin or where ever it is your building) where this has been done or take the advice given



please post an example of a house where this has been done or take the advice given

Any thread/post that is looking for ways to get around the planning process, or building regulations, or any other statutory legislation, or advising somebody to ignore these legislations and regulations, will be deleted and the poster will be banned. All genuine planning queries can be debated!
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IMHO take the advice given..if you think your allowed, then ill close the thread, shall I?[/QUOT

I never said anything about breaking planning process or other wise. I just asked is it possible to do this under regs as I have seen it done before, just like this example below.

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=743289

BryanF

Fair play! Away you go and ask the planners.

Gumbo

handlemaster wrote: »

I never said anything about breaking planning process or other wise. I just asked is it possible to do this under regs as I have seen it done before, just like this example below.

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=743289

It's a glorified shed. They are not allowed use it for habitable purposes. They may be using it, but they shouldn't be.

sydthebeat

You can use an out building for habitable purposes ones it's for the enjoyment of the dwelling and not a stand alone new dwelling.

For example a hobby room, gym etc

Bord pleanala have rule on a case like this a few months ago.

DOCARCH

handlemaster wrote: »

I never said anything about breaking planning process or other wise. I just asked is it possible to do this under regs as I have seen it done before, just like this example below.

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=743289

Well...after a quick search on the Dublin City Council website I found out that retention permission for that '2 bedroom house' in the back garden of that particular house was actually refused!

So while it might look like a house, it is not, legally.

Why it's still there...God only knows? Must have slipped through the enforcement net?

handlemaster

sydthebeat wrote: »

You can use an out building for habitable purposes ones it's for the enjoyment of the dwelling and not a stand alone new dwelling.

For example a hobby room, gym etc

Bord pleanala have rule on a case like this a few months ago.

That's that solved so. I suppose every garden in Dublin would have some shack in it now if it were legal.

Gumbo

sydthebeat wrote: »

You can use an out building for habitable purposes ones it's for the enjoyment of the dwelling and not a stand alone new dwelling.

For example a hobby room, gym etc

Bord pleanala have rule on a case like this a few months ago.

This is exactly what i meant, when i say it cannot be used for habitable, i mean bedrooms, or living rooms etc.

Gym, Hobby room etc no problem, as im applying for one of these at present.

sydthebeat

kceire wrote: »

This is exactly what i meant, when i say it cannot be used for habitable, i mean bedrooms, or living rooms etc.

Gym, Hobby room etc no problem, as im applying for one of these at present.

The OP phrased it as "a unit for habitation" which would not be allowed under planning regs.
we are both referring to 'habitable areas' .

Boards is NEVER to be used as a substitute for proper legislative or professional advice.

BryanF

sydthebeat wrote: »

Boards is NEVER to be used as a substitute for proper legislative or professional advice.

Absolutely

4Sticks

sydthebeat wrote: »

Boards is NEVER to be used as a substitute for proper legislative or professional advice.

Except where you choose not to employ your own adviser.

Just kidding. Who would do that ?

Diarmaid.2014

I'm planning a commercial build extention (hospice ) that is less than 40 sq m .

1. The planning office said it must go in for planning. Does this automatically mean that I need to have a commencement notice and certs of compliance too.

2.Can I submit it for planning , hopefully get granted the planning and start building without complying to the regs as the build is less than 40 sq m. I Have tried to find the answer but to no avail. Can anyone enlighten me?

893bet

Diarmaid.2014 wrote: »

I'm planning a commercial build extention (hospice ) that is less than 40 sq m .

1. The planning office said it must go in for planning. Does this automatically mean that I need to have a commencement notice and certs of compliance too.

2.Can I submit it for planning , hopefully get granted the planning and start building without complying to the regs as the build is less than 40 sq m. I Have tried to find the answer but to no avail. Can anyone enlighten me?

If it needs planning then the size has nothing to do it it. You cant apply and get planning before the cut of date now so the new regs will apply to you.

DOCARCH

Diarmaid.2014 wrote: »

I'm planning a commercial build extention (hospice ) that is less than 40 sq m .

You will need to apply for planning permission and a fire safety certificate and possibly a disability access certificate....and when you have all that in place, and are ready to build, submit a commencement notice (+ the rest, i.e. comply with new Building Control Regulations!).

40.0 m.sq. exemption only applies to (domestic) dwellings.

Diarmaid.2014

I looked up the exempted developments in the planning Act and a Hospice was actually there but I suppose it's up to the Planning Authority at the end of the day.

Thanks for your help.

DOCARCH

Diarmaid.2014 wrote: »

I looked up the exempted developments in the planning Act and a Hospice was actually there....

All the exempted development regulations refer to is 'the extension of a house'...have not seen 'hospice' mentioned anywhere?

kilclon

Regardless of whether it needs planning or not, any new building work should comply with building regs.

Gumbo

Diarmaid.2014 wrote: »

I looked up the exempted developments in the planning Act and a Hospice was actually there but I suppose it's up to the Planning Authority at the end of the day.

Thanks for your help.

Can you point us to where it states this please?

As above, you will need to do the following :

Planning
Fire cert
DAC

Based on the info provided, you are not within the criteria of exempted development and you will have to abide by the new 2014 control regulations.