Why all the foreign airlines.

adam88

Just booking a trip to NY in March. Was surprised to see so many foreign airlines covering that route. Alright all the US airlines, I can understand that, but why in earth is the likes of KLM, FINNAIR, BA, and other European airline flying that route when they have no association at all with Ireland. I'm boggled.

cml387

They don't fly out of Ireland direct to NY.
If you look carefully they will involve a stop at their hub first.

IngazZagni

adam88 wrote: »

Just booking a trip to NY in March. Was surprised to see so many foreign airlines covering that route. Alright all the US airlines, I can understand that, but why in earth is the likes of KLM, FINNAIR, BA, and other European airline flying that route when they have no association at all with Ireland. I'm boggled.

Most of these wouldn't be direct. Like with KLM you would go via Amsterdam, BA via Heathrow etc. Only Aer Lingus and the various U.S carriers will go direct to New York from here.

adam88

IngazZagni wrote: »

Most of these wouldn't be direct. Like with KLM you would go via Amsterdam, BA via Heathrow etc. Only Aer Lingus and the various U.S carriers will go direct to New York from here.

Maybe so but when coming back all the above go straight from JFK to DUB

Aestivalis

What website are you using to search airlines?

The only airlines that fly directly to the USA from Ireland are

Aer Lingus - Boston, Chicago, Orlando, New York & San Francisco
American Airlines - New York
Delta - New York
United Airlines - Newark, Washington
and US airways - Philadelphia.

Aestivalis

adam88 wrote: »

Maybe so but when coming back all the above go straight from JFK to DUB

Ah, its probably just a codeshare or something. You would still be flying on an Aer Lingus plane, you just booked it with KLM or whoever.

For example, if you book a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam on the KLM website, you will be flying Aer Lingus.

IngazZagni

Aestivalis wrote: »

Ah, its probably just a codeshare or something. You would still be flying on an Aer Lingus plane, you just booked it with KLM or whoever.

For example, if you book a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam on the KLM website, you will be flying Aer Lingus.

Correct and if you look at the details of the flight on skyskanner for example it should say "operated by XXX"

adam88

Aestivalis wrote: »

What website are you using to search airlines?

The only airlines that fly directly to the USA from Ireland are

Aer Lingus - Boston, Chicago, Orlando, New York & San Francisco
American Airlines - New York
Delta - New York
United Airlines - Newark, Washington
and US airways - Philadelphia.

Ebookers is what I'm using. I specifically asked for non stop journeys.

aaronm13

KLM and Air France will most likely be a direct flight with Delta (same company), BA will be American Airlines. These are all just codeshares if they say the flights are direct. Delta also fly to Atlanta, US to Charlotte and AA to Chicago (seasonal).

L1011

adam88 wrote: »

Ebookers is what I'm using. I specifically asked for non stop journeys.

KLM is the Delta flight, BA is the AA flight. Finnair might be the AA flight though I've no idea why they'd sell tickets on it.

The only airlines operating direct from Ireland to the US are the US majors (United, AA/US and Delta) and Aer Lingus. Everything else is codeshared.

edit: yes, Finnair put codes on the AA flight. AY4021 is DUB-JFK for instance. I can't imagine there's ever many bookings!

adam88

MYOB wrote: »

KLM is the Delta flight, BA is the AA flight. Finnair might be the AA flight though I've no idea why they'd sell tickets on it.

The only airlines operating direct from Ireland to the US are the US majors (United, AA/US and Delta) and Aer Lingus. Everything else is codeshared.

edit: yes, Finnair put codes on the AA flight. AY4021 is DUB-JFK for instance. I can't imagine there's ever many bookings!

Thanks for that. Thought it to be very strange for them to have flights from irl to the us.

Why do they code share. ????

LoonyLovegood

It makes it easier for passengers to transit through flights. If you book a flight, say, from London to New York with BA, with a transfer in Ireland, you'll have a BA ticket all the way, even though your flight from Dublin to NY is with AA. Your luggage will go straight through and you won't have to recheck it.

L1011

adam88 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Thought it to be very strange for them to have flights from irl to the us.

Why do they code share. ????

Small revenue share, improves brand loyalty. In BAs case, they can sell connections, KLM could too but over Aer Lingus metal.

BA/AA and KLM/Delta/Air France/Alitalia operate metal-neutral joint ventures over the Atlantic, so there's more to be made by selling a ticket on a codeshare for them.

Finnair have the least reason for it, not having a JV or any connections but I doubt they're doing it for fun.

Tenger

adam88 wrote: »

Just booking a trip to NY in March. Was surprised to see so many foreign airlines covering that route. ......but why in earth is the likes of KLM, FINNAIR, BA, and other European airline flying that route when they have no association at all with Ireland....

Welcome to the world of airline codeshare deals....

BuffyBot

Finnair have the least reason for it, not having a JV or any connections but I doubt they're doing it for fun.

Finnair are part if the AA/BA/IB joint venture now.

L1011

BuffyBot wrote: »

Finnair are part if the AA/BA/IB joint venture now.

Makes sense then. Still suspect they'll get next to no bookings on that specific flight pair though!

afatbollix

Doesn't cost them anything to give it a flight number tho.

A Dub in Glasgo

I hate it when airports put all the bloody codeshare airlines on the arrivals website page like this at Glasgow.



The announcements at Heathrow Terminal 5 are a nightmare as well, soon gets monotonous

Tangey99

Aestivalis wrote: »

What website are you using to search airlines?

The only airlines that fly directly to the USA from Ireland are

Aer Lingus - Boston, Chicago, Orlando, New York & San Francisco
American Airlines - New York
Delta - New York
United Airlines - Newark, Washington
and US airways - Philadelphia.

AA has a Chicago flight
Delta has an Atlanta flight.
United does BFS to Newark

irishbloke77

Tangey99 wrote: »

AA has a Chicago flight
Delta has an Atlanta flight.
United does BFS to Newark

And since it's from "Ireland", United also do Shannon to Chicago.