Oil and wood burning stove

cikearney

Is it possible to pipe straight into heating system , with out a heat exchanger?

If so anyone have a diagram with controls?

Dtp1979

cikearney wrote: »

Is it possible to pipe straight into heating system , with out a heat exchanger?

If so anyone have a diagram with controls?

What?

cikearney

I have yet to install a stove onto a heating system with an oil boiler and want to see how it's done!

scudo2

cikearney wrote: »

I have yet to install a stove onto a heating system with an oil boiler and want to see how it's done!

Are you an installer or doing a DIY Job ?

cikearney

I am a plumber and I'm turning away jobs as I've no experience installing them

scudo2

Have you ever done dual heating as in a standard solid fuel back boiler with a gravity circuit ?

Stoves are literaly a potential bomb if not installed to the current standards.

cikearney

scudo2 wrote: »

Have you ever done dual heating as in a standard solid fuel back boiler with a gravity circuit ?

Stoves are literaly a potential bomb if not installed to the current standards.

I have installed back boilers and stoves to heat hot water only and I want to up skill but can't find any courses so I'm turning to boards.

So any info on a course or someone who'll let me tag along in dublin would be great otherwise I just want to see how it's done for my own interest

rightjob!

cikearney wrote: »

I have installed back boilers and stoves to heat hot water only and I want to up skill but can't find any courses so I'm turning to boards.

So any info on a course or someone who'll let me tag along in dublin would be great otherwise I just want to see how it's done for my own interest

Look up systemlink.they run courses on their products

cikearney

Just rang systemlink there, training in the next couple of weeks.

I still wouldn't mind installation experience, if anyone needs a hand.

Dtp1979

cikearney wrote: »

Just rang systemlink there, training in the next couple of weeks.

I still wouldn't mind installation experience, if anyone needs a hand.

Not being smart here but was this not covered in your apprentiship?

cikearney

It was, but as good of information as a DIY book, I still have no experience.

I could easily go out the door tomorrow and fit three solid fuel boilers(not all the same day) and they may very well work, but whether they are fitted correctly and safely I won't know and I choose to turn them away because I hold my hand up and admit I'm inexperienced. Then I turn to a forum which I used to help out on a bit and am being ridiculed.

All I want is the necessary info, course info or a couple of tag a long jobs(free),

Thank you

Dtp1979

cikearney wrote: »

It was, but as good of information as a DIY book, I still have no experience.

I could easily go out the door tomorrow and fit three solid fuel boilers(not all the same day) and they may very well work, but whether they are fitted correctly and safely I won't know and I choose to turn them away because I hold my hand up and admit I'm inexperienced. Then I turn to a forum which I used to help out on a bit and am being ridiculed.

All I want is the necessary info, course info or a couple of tag a long jobs(free),

Thank you

I wasn't ridiculing you

shane0007

TBH, there are not any really decent courses for specific solid fuel installations in Ireland. The best courses are the HETAS courses in the UK. Oriel flues due the basic dry installation courses but not for the wet side.

Hopefully, there will be a specific course in Metac in the upcoming future but that's not certain, so ATM the only choice is the UK, but the UK courses are excellent, very well run & very thorough.
The downside of the UK courses is you will not see anything that resembles an Irish installation on their courses. They use typically Dunstable heat exchangers with a heat sink rad.

Perhaps we should set up a "Boards" training school! :-)

esox28

Did any of ye think why fas don't cover solid fuel and gas/oil link up, not a word from the lecturer.

scudo2

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I wasn't ridiculing you

+ 1

I wasn't either, just had to get back to work and couldn't carry on chat. Hope somebody can be of help to you and all the best, + fair play to you in knowing your limitations, I wish more plumbers were like that.

Ps. I service and don't install anymore and am also 150 miles away.

jimf

shane0007 wrote: »

TBH, there are not any really decent courses for specific solid fuel installations in Ireland. The best courses are the HETAS courses in the UK. Oriel flues due the basic dry installation courses but not for the wet side.

Hopefully, there will be a specific course in Metac in the upcoming future but that's not certain, so ATM the only choice is the UK, but the UK courses are excellent, very well run & very thorough.
The downside of the UK courses is you will not see anything that resembles an Irish installation on their courses. They use typically Dunstable heat exchangers with a heat sink rad.

Perhaps we should set up a "Boards" training school! :-)

god help the teacher :D

shane0007

esox28 wrote: »

Did any of ye think why fas don't cover solid fuel and gas/oil link up, not a word from the lecturer.

Because typical installations in Ireland are technically incorrect & the attitude of "shur, it's been fitted that way for years & never a bother" would soon lead to many classroom arguements.

Even the typical single boiler system on an open vented installations are generally installed incorrectly. They work but the put the system into negative pressure rather than being positive pressure, leading to black iron oxide build up over prolonged periods of time.

shane0007

jimf wrote: »

god help the teacher :D

Shur, wouldn't he be well paid for his troubles!

esox28

shane0007 wrote: »

Because typical installations in Ireland are technically incorrect & the attitude of "shur, it's been fitted that way for years & never a bother" would soon lead to many classroom arguements.

Even the typical single boiler system on an open vented installations are generally installed incorrectly. They work but the put the system into negative pressure rather than being positive pressure, leading to black iron oxide build up over prolonged periods of time.

No...its because there isent a curriculum to base any course work on.

shane0007

esox28 wrote: »

No...its because there isent a curriculum to base any course work on.

Curriculums can be written.

esox28

Well why aren't they, some dopes out there that need some fecken guidance, like yesterday got a call form a customer his return on the stove was red and boiler making an awful reckit. Boiler stove ina year fcuking gobstopper had a pump on a 3/4 flow 12" from stove, went to attic and a fecken 367 on the vent guess why. I dident even go and look at the installation.
I just don't know what we need!

shane0007

I completely agree. That's why it will most likely take a private company to bring in a UK regulatory based course that will end up as an optional extra to conciencious installers. The plebs will still be plebs & install the installations they always do.

I had one a couple of years ago, a call out to a warranty break down on an oil boiler. The customer asked me what I knew about solid fuel. He proceeded to show me where the stove blew a hole in a concrete floor under the stairs. The other side of the wall was the stove with flow & return piped in qualpex & both down through the floor to a manifold which was zoned with motorised valves.
The qualpex softened & suck closed. There was a fire lit to heat the parish. Customer & his girlfriend were sitting in front of it when the qualpex blew in the hall. I think they got engaged shortly after their ordeal! The house was only built 2 months previous.

Oh, and it was a pressurised hot water cylinder also.