saving in making and errecting a shed yourself

aidanki

just in the door at work

was talking to someone else from a farming background

his brother is thinking of putting up a shed 40x60 and going off getting prices etc

they are both handy at the DIY, and thinking of making it themselves

for those that have gone the DIY route and fabricated and errected a shed themselves, is there much saving over getting a contractor to fabricate and errect it, say contractor price to fabricate and errect was 20k , would u get it for 12 to do it yourself, assuing u count your own labour as free ?

for my own info never having fabriacted a shed, how do you cut all the angles consistently, I guess cut a piece of timber at the start and use that as a template ?

stock>

It depends on your level of skill and the availability of equipment for excavation and lifting of trusses and purloins. Then there is the equipment for the cladding Mewps etc.
How are the engineering skills and equipment to make the shed?

I have in the past got the shed made and erected it myself but only saved €500 and lost a lot of time.
A brother of mine put up a shed and contracted the manufacture and erection, I laid the floor for him the whole job was finished in 3 weeks, from site clearing to wiring and flashing...

Which reminds me I still have gutters to put up on my own shed .........

Muckit

aidanki wrote: »

for my own info never having fabriacted a shed, how do you cut all the angles consistently, I guess cut a piece of timber at the start and use that as a template ?

Bandsaw.

bob charles

at the moment it would cost you more to make a shed yourself than getting a builder to do it

aidanki

stock> wrote: »

It depends on your level of skill and the availability of equipment for excavation and lifting of trusses and purloins. Then there is the equipment for the cladding Mewps etc.
How are the engineering skills and equipment to make the shed?

I have in the past got the shed made and erected it myself but only saved €500 and lost a lot of time.
A brother of mine put up a shed and contracted the manufacture and erection, I laid the floor for him the whole job was finished in 3 weeks, from site clearing to wiring and flashing...

Which reminds me I still have gutters to put up on my own shed .........

tractor and loader with some form of jib extension to allow more height would be the lifting equipment

how big was the shed you made ?

aidanki

Muckit wrote: »

Bandsaw.

in an ideal world yes, most people don't have bandsaws though......

aidanki

bob charles wrote: »

at the moment it would cost you more to make a shed yourself than getting a builder to do it

seriously ?

Muckit

aidanki wrote: »

in an ideal world yes, most people don't have bandsaws though......

Yes, but then again most people wouldn't be trying to put up their own sheds! :-) you will save feck all putting up your own shed l would say and you'll have plenty of offcuts that you will think youd you'd use but never will!

stock>

aidanki wrote: »

tractor and loader with some form of jib extension to allow more height would be the lifting equipment

how big was the shed you made ?

6m x6m...............

So your personal safety or that of those helping you is of little concern .......

Now remember this is construction not agricultural work and the HSA have strict laws against what you are proposing specially since August of last year............

td5man

aidanki wrote: »

for my own info never having fabriacted a shed, how do you cut all the angles consistently, I guess cut a piece of timber at the start and use that as a template ?

Theres no problem cutting angles with a grinder.
Mark them with a bevel guage or two pieces of flat steel weld together at the desired angle.

grassroot1

I think if your worrying about how to cut the angles the same you maybe in trouble already. Get the professionals in it will be cheaper in the end

Reggie.

Muckit wrote: »

Yes, but then again most people wouldn't be trying to put up their own sheds! :-) you will save feck all putting up your own shed l would say and you'll have plenty of offcuts that you will think youd you'd use but never will!

Tell me about, more bits of 6x3 and 9x3 ended up in the fire after a few months around the yard

td5man

grassroot1 wrote: »

I think if your worrying about how to cut the angles the same you maybe in trouble already. Get the professionals in it will be cheaper in the end

Making the shed is the easy bit , putting it up takes a bit more skill.

td5man

Reggie. wrote: »

Tell me about, more bits of 6x3 and 9x3 ended up in the fire after a few months around the yard

You shouldnt have much waste materials if you order the right sizes.

Reggie.

td5man wrote: »

You shouldnt have much waste materials if you order the right sizes.

Ah I was awkward and built a 35ft wide shed

feartuath

I put up a 60 x 17 with calving pens and calf creep to existing slatted shed last year,
One guy did concrete work and other lad did roofing,doors,
They came for a few days and were gone in 2 weeks finished complete no messing no hassle .I purchased all materials for them myself.
I am a fitter by trade so i did internal steelwork which took me weeks due to work ,farming , kids .
Get some help it won't cost too much nowadays.

49801

Cost the materials yourself and get a quote for a builder.

We put up a lean to with the help of a local guy that was familiar with sheds.
It saved us a bit and we did not make silly mistakes this way:pac:

Reggie.

49801 wrote: »

Cost the materials yourself and get a quote for a builder.

We put up a lean to with the help of a local guy that was familiar with sheds.
It saved us a bit and we did not make silly mistakes this way:pac:

Ya can't beat experience in the end

knockmulliner

Between safety and saving, given the competition for business out there using a shed manufacturer/erector would be my way to go. You can look at concrete work separately and see what you can save, but again there are very competitive professionals out there.

bob charles

last shed we built ourselves was in 2008 when prices were crazy. It was our first one and probably our last. 75*50. didnt have any problems building it but just the shear hard work. added on to the above shed last year and builders done all the work and it was working out at the same price as doing it myself. The one thing about your own work is that you know its done 100% and no short cuts. Builders are quick skip over the un seen

Timmaay

I've putup afew simple enough leanto roofs. Wooden rafters etc, usually just covering enclosed spaces, or replacing an existing roof, so the skill level isn't that high. For anything more complex, I definitely would leave it up the experts.

onyerbikepat

Did any of you galvanise the steel work? If not how did ye treat / paint it?

just do it

Muckit wrote: »

you'll have plenty of offcuts that you will think youd you'd use but never will!

A wiser statement never made. How much junk have we around the place that was kept with the thought "I must keep that as it will come in handy". I blame the generation before me for passing it on

lakill Farm

Well my building experience is very little :rolleyes:

But in 2012 i put up a 20x 48ft free standing lean to, and onto that added a utility of 20 x 20ft and another small shed for hens and the dog.

I mixed the concrete myself in a pan mixer - approx 40/45 meters at €30 a m2 -v- €72 in quarry . (Price are incl vat)

I bought the kit shed (RSJ, purlins and sheeting)

Myself and 2 uncles and dad stood the shed sheeting it an odd few hours. (1 say 2 men x 3 days)

I got a seperate lad to make calf pens and doors etc.

Over the concrete (22m2) and putting up the shed 20x48ft i saved €2,300 compared to getting contractors . The shed cost me € 3151 plus vat (Thats excluding doors and pens etc)

Gillespy

stock> wrote: »

6m x6m...............

So your personal safety or that of those helping you is of little concern .......

Now remember this is construction not agricultural work and the HSA have strict laws against what you are proposing specially since August of last year............

Why do you think safety is of little concern to him?

enricoh

i reckon the lads doing the sheds will be getting the cladding n rsj's at a better price than you will get. small stuff like anchor bolts n drill bit for them will shock u in yer builders providers! at the minute the only saving would be mixing the concrete yourself.
(i put up a couple of sheds myself during the tiger due to the shock of the quotes i got!)

sea12

I would go down the professional route. There is serious competition at the moment. I think it would be more cost effective when u add in ure own time. Plus if ure working on building what is going to suffer. You'll have less time for keeping an eye on stock and even family life.

If it was me I'd go outsourcing it.

Juniorhurler

Put one up myself this year. Bought the shed and stood it myself. €2500 was the saving on erecting it myself. I have a trade background from a few years back though and myself, the boss and a neighbour we truck with a lot stood and sheeted it in a week. Price just buying the shed without erection and you may be surprised by the savings. I had a 21 tonne track machine available to lift the trusses and the use of a telehandler and man basket to put up timbers etc. I also had two free labourers, as in they got no money but I will pay, and am already, in my own time.

aidanki

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Put one up myself this year. Bought the shed and stood it myself. €2500 was the saving on erecting it myself. I have a trade background from a few years back though and myself, the boss and a neighbour we truck with a lot stood and sheeted it in a week. Price just buying the shed without erection and you may be surprised by the savings. I had a 21 tonne track machine available to lift the trusses and the use of a telehandler and man basket to put up timbers etc. I also had two free labourers, as in they got no money but I will pay, and am already, in my own time.

how big was that shed if u don't mind me asking

sounds like u had plenty help available too

Rovi

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nashmach

In the current market, you are better off pricing two or three lads and buy on those quotes and on the basis of the quality of their work.

It is a cut throat environment out there.

Juniorhurler

aidanki wrote: »

how big was that shed if u don't mind me asking

sounds like u had plenty help available too

Lots of help Aidan. The AI man arrived one day to AI a cow and ended up lifting in a feed barrier for me while I bored a couple of holes with the mag drill. Nobody escapes in our yard!!;)

The shed was 63'x55' portal frame.

oldsmokey

We did a job recently, covered a yard between two sheds, so no poles to stand - the lad helping me knew his way around a shed, but getting the timbers up was a hoor of a job without a teleporter, we still had to get a fabricator to make 5 heavy brackets, the saving was decent though..around 3500...if i was doing it again I'd certainly have lifting gear on hand for the day or 2 that its needed - an accident can happen in a second.

kevthegaff

lads im going with a 80x90ft shed next year, are portals a better job even though ill need h irons for the feed barriers in the centre, what do ye think it would cost to errect?

rs8

my advice would be get a lad (ex builder/erector) thats maybe retired and let him be the brains and you do the dog work!

Dont be daft

rs8 wrote: »

my advice would be get a lad (ex builder/erector) thats maybe retired and let him be the brains and you do the dog work!

+1

Did this for the last shed that went up here. Me and the brothers laboured and one lad oversaw the whole thing.
The shed was all shuttered which in fairness, once one lad knows what he's doing, is the easiest thing in the world to do.
Can't remember the exact figure but the savings shocked me at the time.

Suckler

rs8 wrote: »

my advice would be get a lad (ex builder/erector) thats maybe retired and let him be the brains and you do the dog work!

Good idea, could work quite well with the number of fellas out of work. The assembly can seem very straight forward and but the real danger is in the lifting and sequencing. With heavy steel sections it can go wrong very quickly and be very costly.

I'd be sure to check with insurance company and/or get additional insurance in place.