Killzone + knack....did Sony screw up?

jenjenten

The sheer amount of copies being sold on or traded in is gobsmacking! :eek:
If you try trade it in to Smyths or Gamestop you'll be lucky to get a tenner!

I dont know why these two games are looked down upon sooo much, but nobody wants them

I think sony made a huge mistake packing these two games with bundles, the problem is that ordinary retail copies (not the "not for resale") are being effected to and their resale or trade-in price has been hugely effected also.

I read Killzone sold 1 million copies....yeah, all of them with bundles and the shops are flooded with copies, i saw CEX had like 30 copies of Killzone! :eek:

Retr0gamer

Not seeing how Sony messed up. Considering it's a launch title, a million copies of Killzone sold is doing pretty well and Knack was made on a low budget. They were both very poor games but they sold well, the awful knack even outsold Mario 3D World.

super_furry

Average to poor launch games that are bundled in with consoles are always going to show up a lot in trade ins. Sony really doesn't care if people can't get decent value when they're looking to get rid of their games.

ShadowHearth

I really can't call Shadowfall a poor game. I though it was great and could give a run for its money to a lot of big boys out there.

It's just a shame that people get all "high and mighty critics" on first person shooters ( military) and those are only good if they got cod or bf in their titles. Under rated game. Specially when people never played it, but already mark it as poor, because it's launch title.

CiDeRmAn

Unfortunately Sony have been chasing the fps dragon for years and have never got there.
Killzone and it's sequels have never been much cop.
Don't rate the latter CoD and BF titles much either, xenophobic gunw@nk that they are.
From the reviews Knack seems to be a substandard 3rd person brawler.
Such a pity that Sony with all of their brilliant 1st party studios can't produce something we all just have to play.
Pack in sales number a don't really count anyway, whatever about Killzone Knack would never have been anything but a low selling niche title had it not been included with the system.

richymcdermott

Sony shot themselves in the foot shutting down studio liverpool because I am sorry that team was too talented to simply do away with like that and ps4 could of really benefit having Wipeout as a launch title to showcase what the system can do, even more so than killzone or knack.

CiDeRmAn

If Wipeout had been a launch title I would have been at the front of the line for the PS4.
There's little I wouldn't do for the next title in the series.
It looked like, after Wipeout on the PS2, that the series had tanked but the releases on the PSP, PS3 and, more recently, on the Vita haveade it essential again.
Ridge Racer on the other hand is a franchise in decline, I think Namco need to get back to basics, get rid of the boost nonsense and produce the series that had such an identity of its own, until they tried to turn it into every other racing franchise out there.

krudler

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Unfortunately Sony have been chasing the fps dragon for years and have never got there.
Killzone and it's sequels have never been much cop.
Don't rate the latter CoD and BF titles much either, xenophobic gunw@nk that they are.
From the reviews Knack seems to be a substandard 3rd person brawler.
Such a pity that Sony with all of their brilliant 1st party studios can't produce something we all just have to play.
Pack in sales number a don't really count anyway, whatever about Killzone Knack would never have been anything but a low selling niche title had it not been included with the system.

The Killzone games for the most part look lovely but do fall into the brown/grey colour scheme, the new one less so as it has some beautiful looking exteriors and at least colourful levels. I do like how weighty you feel in the environments in them though

as for next gen racers, can someone just please make Burnout 3 HD? kthxbai

super_furry

Just going by Killzone 2 and 3 but both were brilliant online games that genuinely felt different to the multitude of other shooters out there. It's on my list to get when I do eventually get a PS4.

Danonino.

jenjenten wrote: »

The sheer amount of copies being sold on or traded in is gobsmacking! :eek:
If you try trade it in to Smyths or Gamestop you'll be lucky to get a tenner!

I dont know why these two games are looked down upon sooo much, but nobody wants them

I think sony made a huge mistake packing these two games with bundles, the problem is that ordinary retail copies (not the "not for resale") are being effected to and their resale or trade-in price has been hugely effected also.

I read Killzone sold 1 million copies....yeah, all of them with bundles and the shops are flooded with copies, i saw CEX had like 30 copies of Killzone! :eek:

CEX probably have so many copies due to giving €22 cash for either game and close to €30 credit. Smyths or Gamestop offering a tenner is pretty strange to be honest.

I can understand people trading in the games if they don't like them, why keep a bundled game when you can get 20 or so quid back. There are a fair few copies of Dead Rising 3 etc in the shops too. I personally would trade in any of the above titles if it made sense financially as I have no interest in any of them :pac:

_Redzer_

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Not seeing how Sony messed up. Considering it's a launch title, a million copies of Killzone sold is doing pretty well and Knack was made on a low budget. They were both very poor games but they sold well, the awful knack even outsold Mario 3D World.

What I can't wrap by head around is killzone gets lower reviews than COD which has been the same game for years and years and would have to be the most generic game in existence.

I wish killzone would just stick to the KZ2 formula, but they'll never cop onto themselves though and go after COD.

RasTa

But it's so beautiful.

Retr0gamer

My brain is unable to process so much grey.

CiDeRmAn

At least the Modern Warfare titles introduced colour back into fps, though Bulletstorm probably did it best, it looked amazing.

cherryghost

I played through much of Killzone and it bored me to tears

eddhorse

So Sony sold a PS4 bundle, people trade in the game when they are done with it and buy another game?

Sounds like Sony's model is screwed alright !

ghostchant

I don't play FPS games usually - Bulletstorm being a notable exception, but I have to say I've enjoyed what I've played of Shadowfall so far - it's been 50/50 between that and Resogun for me in terms of time spent playing. Not as 'grey' as I'd feared it'd be. Picked up Battlefield 4 as well but haven't even bothered opening the box yet.

CiDeRmAn

eddhorse wrote: »

So Sony sold a PS4 bundle, people trade in the game when they are done with it and buy another game?

Sounds like Sony's model is screwed alright !

Think it through.
Who who got the Knack or Killzone Bundle is going to buy the other new?
No, they'll trade in the one they got and buy the other preowned.
And so Sony will lose out on both new game sales and on the game itself as a pack in.
I'd say Sony lost a few bob on Killzone at least, Knack was cheap enough to make.

cherryghost

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Not seeing how Sony messed up. Considering it's a launch title, a million copies of Killzone sold is doing pretty well and Knack was made on a low budget. They were both very poor games but they sold well, the awful knack even outsold Mario 3D World.

SM3D world has now outsold the game 4 fold at this point, so justice is now served.

Retr0gamer

Sony were always going to lose money on Killzone. A triple A game with a massive budget being sold to a 2 million user install base won't make it's money back (maybe in the long term with digital sales but that remains to be seen). It was put out there as a show piece for the new hardware, same with Ryse on the XBox One.

2Mad2BeMad

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sony were always going to lose money on Killzone. A triple A game with a massive budget being sold to a 2 million user install base won't make it's money back (maybe in the long term with digital sales but that remains to be seen). It was put out there as a show piece for the new hardware, same with Ryse on the XBox One.

except ryse is fun :P haha very little replay value though
suppose these 2 launch titles where to show just how good graphically next gen consoles could get and they will most likely get better looking over the consoles life cycle

but launch title exclusives are generally bad games anyway can't really remember a console that first came out that had decent games
this year with all these new games coming out its definitely a year to own a next gen game
its all about taking steps

ShadowHearth

By reading this thread I just realised: "People already got opinion on one or another franchise and that opinion is set in the stone".
Even if Killzone will be near perfect game its still going to be Killzone and marked as ****.

richymcdermott

well to my understanding killzone and knack were always going to be more a tech demo than a solid game simply to show what the system can do.

I love Mark Cerny , he was involved which is one of my favourite games of all time sonic 2 and been a key man with top studios like universal, naughty dog and insomniac but Every time I looked at knack the more I just seen it the more it just seemed as a tech demo to show how many individual polygons you have display on the fly.


With Killzone I am sorry I have played 1,2 and 3 and while I put over 150 hours into the killzone 2 online if the same were to arrve tomorrow I would never touch it again. the series is dull and does absolutely nothing new for the fps genre which has been battered and bruised last generation am sick of the sight of it.
Shadowfall looks the same.

Retr0gamer

ShadowHearth wrote: »

By reading this thread I just realised: "People already got opinion on one or another franchise and that opinion is set in the stone".
Even if Killzone will be near perfect game its still going to be Killzone and marked as ****.

No, I've played them all and they are all pretty much as bland and dull as each other. Single player mind, I've no interest in multiplayer.

landsleaving

ShadowHearth wrote: »

By reading this thread I just realised: "People already got opinion on one or another franchise and that opinion is set in the stone".
Even if Killzone will be near perfect game its still going to be Killzone and marked as ****.

I've heard plenty of people say Resident Evil 4 was good, but they hated the earlier games, so I don't think people are that set in their ways. Except the lunatic fanboy types, whose opinions should be discounted.

To be fair to people who discount Killzone though. It's called Killzone.

I can't believe they kept that title. They could have called it Helghast or Space War or Space Sort-of-Nazis or Call of Intergalactic Battle Duty in a Field. Anything but 'Killzone' - it's impossibly bland.

Captain Chaos

Give me any Killzone game over any CoD game any day except Cod 4 Modern Warfare. CoD is just a case of throwing as much sh1te on screen at one time as you possibly can and try to shoot it all with unlimited enemies and random explosions. Shadow Fall while no Far Cry 3 is a very decent FPS, best FPS I've played since Far Cry 3 or Halo 4.

I really don't get people saying Killzone is bland and all brown and grey. It's not a cartoon game or COD for people with ADHD that need to be shooting 20 soldiers per seconds while shooting down a squadron of fighter jets on their own.

ShadowHearth

Retr0gamer wrote: »

No, I've played them all and they are all pretty much as bland and dull as each other. Single player mind, I've no interest in multiplayer.

I played second and third one and they were bland and boring. I played shadowfall and I loved it. It made me more interested in lore of Killzone. You played back to back Shadowfall to judge it and call it poor game?

dreamers75

Sony probably did the right thing in that they only had x amount of consoles to ship/ sell. Had it been a AAA game like Drive Club it would have hindered sales in the short to medium term.

So prolly for the best Killzone/Knack was chosen.

ShadowHearth

landsleaving wrote: »

I've heard plenty of people say Resident Evil 4 was good, but they hated the earlier games, so I don't think people are that set in their ways. Except the lunatic fanboy types, whose opinions should be discounted.

To be fair to people who discount Killzone though. It's called Killzone.

I can't believe they kept that title. They could have called it Helghast or Space War or Space Sort-of-Nazis or Call of Intergalactic Battle Duty in a Field. Anything but 'Killzone' - it's impossibly bland.

The point why shadowfall is so much better, because it finally shows Hellgast from other perspective. If what I am more on Helgast side after shadowfall as the "goodie" side are bigger scumbags.

It finally went from battlefields to a more human average Joe level.

eddhorse

Ok I get the point that a user will trade in killzone for instance and get knack second hand.

Would this not happen with any launch title, did it not happen with the PS3 also?

Ed

CiDeRmAn

I don't remember the PS3 having a bundle at launch.
And what a bizarre launch it was, those as were as mad as a box of frogs.
Best pack in ever, Super Mario World, pity anyone else trying to sell a game on the first year of the SNES' life when one of its best games was given away free.
Same went for the N64, although at launch I had to buy Mario 64 separately.

eddhorse

I got the N64 Goldeneye Bundle and my mate got the N64 Mario 64 Bundle.

They sold 4.2 million units and even though the margain's weren't great they will make it back from PS+ and PS Now.

It's more about outselling units than quality.

Retr0gamer

ShadowHearth wrote: »

The point why shadowfall is so much better, because it finally shows Hellgast from other perspective. If what I am more on Helgast side after shadowfall as the "goodie" side are bigger scumbags.

It finally went from battlefields to a more human average Joe level.

Hey Killzone, 2011 called. It said Gears of War 3 wants it's plot twist back.

ShadowHearth

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Hey Killzone, 2011 called. It said Gears of War 3 wants it's plot twist back.

Plot twist? WTF you on about? They are still Nazis and there is no "Plot twist" like what you talking about.
This time around they give more down to earth look, show how every day people live in that world. Show real colours of both sides. Show more of actual Universe and its people.

I understand that that people might not like the game, amount of **** that comes from people who did not even played it or gave it a chance without having a negative opinion about it before game was in fecking drive is mind blowing.

whiterebel

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Give me any Killzone game over any CoD game any day except Cod 4 Modern Warfare. CoD is just a case of throwing as much sh1te on screen at one time as you possibly can and try to shoot it all with unlimited enemies and random explosions. Shadow Fall while no Far Cry 3 is a very decent FPS, best FPS I've played since Far Cry 3 or Halo 4.

I really don't get people saying Killzone is bland and all brown and grey. It's not a cartoon game or COD for people with ADHD that need to be shooting 20 soldiers per seconds while shooting down a squadron of fighter jets on their own.

I'm sure some people expect wars to happen with Disney backgrounds. Any time you see actual conflict on TV it usually grey or brown. Having played all the others, what's killing me is how bad the gameplay is. That owl or whatever the f**k is doing my head in - there when you don't need it, missing when you do. Only on Chapter 3 and I had to check to make sure I hadn't put in Dead Space by accident........:mad:

CiDeRmAn

eddhorse wrote: »

I got the N64 Goldeneye Bundle and my mate got the N64 Mario 64 Bundle.

They sold 4.2 million units and even though the margain's weren't great they will make it back from PS+ and PS Now.

It's more about outselling units than quality.

I bought it on the night before the official launch, in Gamesworld, as it was, on Liffey St, I worked there part time for a laugh.
At launch there wasn't any pack in titles as far as I remember, the stores may have bundled them in a deal but I don't think there was a special package from Nintendo.
I'm happy to be wrong BTW!
I remember people bringing their new babies home in black bin bags so scum f*cks wouldn't see a Gamesworld bag and rob them.
It was a nervous walk from Liffey St to my bus on Eden quay!
The N64 did very well, just not as well as the PS.
But the big releases were incredibly popular, I recall we were sold out of OoT, MM and GoldenEye when they came out.
I'm still collecting for mine, got an NTSC N64 a couple of months ago.

Retr0gamer

N64 didn't have a bundle as far as I'm aware at Launch and it certainly didn't have a Goldeneye bundle considering the game came out well after launch.

CiDeRmAn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

N64 didn't have a bundle as far as I'm aware at Launch and it certainly didn't have a Goldeneye bundle considering the game came out well after launch.

This is true, there was Mario 64 and Shadow of the Empire, I think I got the still great Pilotwings 64 a day or two later.

2Mad2BeMad

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Plot twist? WTF you on about? They are still Nazis and there is no "Plot twist" like what you talking about.
This time around they give more down to earth look, show how every day people live in that world. Show real colours of both sides. Show more of actual Universe and its people.

I understand that that people might not like the game, amount of **** that comes from people who did not even played it or gave it a chance without having a negative opinion about it before game was in fecking drive is mind blowing.

the game was bad
it looked beautiful but that was all, story is dull and boring just like the past games
I actually enjoyed the first if I'm honest but I just don't think that game was meant to have sequals
But onwards and upwards we have better exclusives to look forward to over the next few years

_Redzer_

I don't get the hate for killzone. Killzone 2 looked great. It was brown and dark and gritty with the only stand outs being the red eyes and blood. It's very much like sincity in the art direction. The MP was also great and different to COD. Hate how they started to change that.

I actually dislike how colourful they tried to make it. War isn't full of colour if it's being bombed 24/7, it's gonna be brown and gritty. If the detail is there, there's nothing wrong with that.

And as story goes, BF4 would have to be the worst single player I've ever played, followed closely by COD, which is extremely bland and muted in colour too (don't get how some people think that has vibrant colour)

Anyhow, I don't see how killzone gets such a beating when COD is the same game every year. It's the standard for generic shooter.

Each to their own I suppose. I'd just wish they'd stop listening to people bitching about the game, because when they do make changes, the same people are still bitching and have no interest in it and it's just becoming more and more like COD, so nobody wins.

Gunmonkey

I've not played either, so cant comment on how they played. But from what I've seen, and others have mentioned, Sony didnt screw up with Knack and KZ, far the opposite. The main point of these games was to have a Sony exec stand on a stage at E3 last June, point at a screen and go "This is what gaming on a PS4 will look like...." Same with Microsoft and Ryse.