UK TV

weatherfish

Hi Im bringing back tv from UK will it work with saorview or upc in Dublin.

excollier

If it is a "FreeviewHD" tv then yes, but if it's just a normal "Freeview" then no.

Peter Rhea

Some 'Freeview' TVs will work just fine with Saorview. Some are on the approved list. Certainly, it should work with UPC.

OP, what is the make & model?

excollier

Ordinary Freeview tvs are MPEG2, generally speaking, so it would be a case of sound but no picture with Saroview, but I stand to be corrected.

Peter Rhea

'Ordinary' Freeview TVs are non-DVB-T2. A DVB-T MPEG4 TV would be classed as 'ordinary' in the UK.

excollier

Fair enough.

weatherfish

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Some 'Freeview' TVs will work just fine with Saorview. Some are on the approved list. Certainly, it should work with UPC.

OP, what is the make & model?

Not sure make and model i think its normal freeview

Thanks for all replies

Peter Rhea

How old is the TV? Being a UK model is no handicap in itself: there aren't really any TVs made specifically for the Irish market anyway.

UPC use their own separate receiver, so the abilities of the TV tuner are irrelevant.

weatherfish

Peter Rhea wrote: »

How old is the TV? Being a UK model is no handicap in itself: there aren't really any TVs made specifically for the Irish market anyway.

UPC use their own separate receiver, so the abilities of the TV tuner are irrelevant.

It's a new TV 28inch bought in Asda in October I think it's a bush model

Peter Rhea

Will more than likely be alright, especially if there is an 'Ireland' option in country settings.

bridster007

Peter Rhea wrote: »

'Ordinary' Freeview TVs are non-DVB-T2. A DVB-T MPEG4 TV would be classed as 'ordinary' in the UK.

Why would a manufacturer have made an "ordinary" Freeview tv with Mpeg4 for the UK market ?
I've never come across one.

Peter Rhea

bridster007 wrote: »

Why would a manufacturer have made an "ordinary" Freeview tv with Mpeg4 for the UK market ?
I've never come across one.

And all the non-T2 models on the Saorview approved list aren't UK models?

The Cush

bridster007 wrote: »

Why would a manufacturer have made an "ordinary" Freeview tv with Mpeg4 for the UK market ?
I've never come across one.

My early 2008 pre-Saorview Sony V4500 came with an MPEG-4 decoder, naturally this wasn't mentioned on their UK website.

bridster007

I don't know, but looking from the opposite viewpoint, I never came across a standard Freeview Tv on sale in the UK that had Mpeg4. I have looked at quite a few in Currys NI and UK online stores over the years.
I don't recall anyone on this forum that identified a standard Freeview tv that would work with Saorview in the very many posts leading up to the switch-off.

( missed Cush's crossover post)

TAFKAlawhec

From about 2007 onwards many manufacturers that sold TVs in the UK that were Freeview approved, but otherwise designed to be sold across Europe, often had MPEG4 video & audio capabilities but were not mentioned in publicity literature in the UK as this wasn't a required feature to receive Freeview SD channels. They had DVB-T tuners (no T2) with hardware decoding chips that could handle both MPEG2 & MPEG4. No UK DTT channels (until very recently) broadcast using MPEG4 on a DVB-T multiplex.

I've dealt with several relatives whose TV was sold as "Freeview" branded only but were perfectly capable for receiving MPEG4 video, both SD & HD. It might only be mentioned in the specs at the back bit of the user manual. Quite a few such TVs are also DVB-C capable, but that again is of no significance in the UK.

Some retailers here up north do advertise Freeview TVs which are not Freeview HD capable (DVB-T tuner only) but are capable of decoding MPEG4 from Saorview multiplexes and note it as such.

One of the problems with the cheap or bargain TVs bought from supermarkets in NI is that under their own-brand names, either the hardware is still itself MPEG2 only capable, or the software/firmware of the television unit disables MPEG4 by default even if in terms of its hardware it is capable (often noted by being unable to change the country selection away from United Kingdom). Therefore it isn't capable of receiving MPEG4 broadcasts. I know Asda will allow you to return a TV within the guarantee period no questions asked as long as it is in its original packaging, with accessories and nothing is missing or damaged so if it wasn't much hassle to take it back you can at least try that.

bridster007 wrote: »

I don't recall anyone on this forum that identified a standard Freeview tv that would work with Saorview in the very many posts leading up to the switch-off.

That was because the general advice for viewers in NI was (and still is) that if they wanted to get RTÉ & TG4 post-DSO, they should have got a Freeview HD TV or STB which either could show cross-border channels from Saorview's network or failing that from the NIMM where available.

winston_1

TAFKAlawhec wrote: »

Quite a few such TVs are also DVB-C capable, but that again is of no significance in the UK.

I have one such set and it works quite happily for the free * channels on a Virgin Media cable connection.

* BBC channels, ITV, Ch4, Ch5, and various radio channels.

I believe it maybe against VM terms and conditions but I have not signed them anyway. I'm not even sure about that as the cable connection was originally allowed to be connected directly to analogue TVs and there are still 4 analogue channels on it.

watty

You don't have to sign.

If you connect to the service you can be charged, even for past usage. There are no free cable channels, UK or Ireland.

winston_1

Sorry I don't agree. Some places such as Milton Keynes forbid aerials and a cable system was put in. Connecting to it free of charge was allowed for the free channels. Additional channels were available for a fee in which case a decoder would be supplied.

In London many blocks of flats were cabled from new and in the analogue days you were allowed to connect for free. In some places 4 analogue channels are still carried.

watty

Those are special cases.

Anyway, it's not an opinion. Unless your location is a special case, connection to ANY service makes you liable for service supply costs.

Ronnie Raygun

TAFKAlawhec wrote: »

No UK DTT channels (until very recently) broadcast using MPEG4 on a DVB-T multiplex.

Until very recently? There still isn't any UK MPEG4 on DVB-T. Isn't it prohibited by Ofcom?

TAFKAlawhec

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

Until very recently? There still isn't any UK MPEG4 on DVB-T. Isn't it prohibited by Ofcom?

BT Sport were given clearance to broadcast their two channels on the Arqiva B multiplex in MPEG4. Since it is encrypted and only intended for BT Vision/TV customers who are not yet connected to their Infinity FTTC service, for viewing on BT supplied STBs, I suspect that it was allowed for that reason.

TAFKAlawhec

winston_1 wrote: »

I have one such set and it works quite happily for the free * channels on a Virgin Media cable connection.

* BBC channels, ITV, Ch4, Ch5, and various radio channels.

I believe it maybe against VM terms and conditions but I have not signed them anyway. I'm not even sure about that as the cable connection was originally allowed to be connected directly to analogue TVs and there are still 4 analogue channels on it.

But the point is that on Virgin (and the likes of Smallworld) the service is intended to be received via their own supplied hardware. They will not give you a viewing card and Nagravision 3 CAM to view it on your TV even if it has DVB-C support. Such a set up is possible in some countries in mainland Europe, but not in either Ireland or the UK.

The cable companies in the UK did have a facility (and still do where it exists) where the four/five main terrestrial channels could be viewed on a TV with a UHF tuner after the signal was looped through the supplied decoder. I remember in Belfast Virgin rebroadcast the five terrestrials on channels E22/25/28/32/35, not sure if they still do. In parts of the country where cable companies signed agreements with local authorities to distribute the main analogue terrestrial channels to certain schemes that was/is a contracted agreement between relevant bodies, and doesn't reflect that all cable companies as a whole provided such a service.

Mr. Rabbit

bridster007 wrote: »

Why would a manufacturer have made an "ordinary" Freeview tv with Mpeg4 for the UK market ?
I've never come across one.

Some Philips Freeview SD TVs had Mpeg 4 decoding a few years back, if I remember correctly.

The Cush

Mr. Rabbit wrote: »

Some Philips Freeview SD TVs had Mpeg 4 decoding a few years back, if I remember correctly.

Also Sony from early 2008 and Samsung from around that time too.

winston_1

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

Isn't it prohibited by Ofcom?

Ofcom are idiots. Why prohibit better technology?

Ronnie Raygun

Wasn't it so everything "better" would use DVB-T2? Not have multiple SD & HD standards?

watty

No only the use of DVB-T for MPEG4 was forbidden by Ofcom only FOR TRANSMITTERS. This was to stop sales of stuff incompatible with HD which they knew would be DVB-T2 in UK and also to stop Sky launching the MPEG4 SD Only Pay TV only service on DTT and flooding UK market with Picnic Boxes that can't do HD ever.

I'm no Ofcom fan. But there was no prohibition on receiver implementation.

Here unlike French we did nothing and flooded with so called Digital HD Ready TVs already often obsolete elsewhere. At least they should have been forced by law here to put BIG stickers and adverts:
1) This will never be an HD TV. It may be an HD Monitor via HDMI.
2) The Digital in this TV will never work properly in Ireland and will soon be obsolete in UK.
3) The Analogue service this TV receives may be closed before the TV is two years old.

We are RUBBISH at consumer protection.

That Cheap phone you bought can stop working at 6 months notice! Quiet deal between Comreg and Mobile operators. There should be 2 years warning and cease of incompatible products in normal Retail. Like they do in France.