Conditional Registration query with TC and VEC

prancer

I am conditionally registered for the past 2 years- I did my undergraduate and my masters. April 2014 will see the two years up. However I started my dip in october 2012 and will be finishing it this year. In the mean time I secured a maternity leave until June. I was just wondering what will happen with the TC now. Ages ago when looking for TP, a principal said I couldn't be paid for subbing extra without being registered fully. Ive worked within the VEC as cover on two mat leaves and an rpt since 2010. I'm confused as to what will happen. Will I get paid this year?

teacherhead

It depends on why you are conditionally registered.
All nqts are not fully regd until the have done 200 hours and the ten induction sessions. They get paid so I can't see why you wouldn't.

Contact the TC

doc_17

Can you fully register with the TC before you have/finish your dip? Don't think so. I'd imagine that's why the registration is conditional at the minute?

Miss Lockhart

You could, until April, fully register for the VEC sector without the dip. You got conditional registration until the 300 hours etc were completed, same as everyone else. Once this registration is maintained you can work in VEC no problem.

I don't really understand your issue OP. Why will your VEC sector registration not be maintained? Is it the time limit for doing the 300 hours that's expiring? Everyone I know who had this problem was given an extension.

Mardy Bum

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

You could, until April, fully register for the VEC sector without the dip. You got conditional registration until the 300 hours etc were completed, same as everyone else. Once this registration is maintained you can work in VEC no problem.

I don't really understand your issue OP. Why will your VEC sector registration not be maintained? Is it the time limit for doing the 300 hours that's expiring? Everyone I know who had this problem was given an extension.

Didn't all those in the VEC sector have to do a PGDE, PDE in recent years in order to be fully qualified due to recent legislation?

Miss Lockhart

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Didn't all those in the VEC sector have to do a PGDE, PDE in recent years in order to be fully qualified due to recent legislation?

No. The legislation is not retrospective. Only those registering after April 2013 need a teaching qualification for VEC. Those already registered for this sector will continue to be paid the fully qualified rate once registration is maintained.

teacherhead

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Didn't all those in the VEC sector have to do a PGDE, PDE in recent years in order to be fully qualified due to recent legislation?

No, if you were in you're ok

Mardy Bum

teacherhead wrote: »

No, if you were in you're ok

That is handy.

teacherhead

Mardy Bum wrote: »

That is handy.

I dont know if it's handy or otherwise. Basically a teacher who was deemed qualified by degree and holding a ceard teastas gaeilge was registered automatically when the TC was established. If they were good enough before the TC theyre good enough now.

I think the dip is overrated.

teacherhead

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

No. The legislation is not retrospective. Only those registering after April 2013 need a teaching qualification for VEC. Those already registered for this sector will continue to be paid the fully qualified rate once registration is maintained.

I'm not sure that it's still possible to register for VEC only is it?

Miss Lockhart

teacherhead wrote: »

I'm not sure that it's still possible to register for VEC only is it?

Not since April.

teacherhead

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

Not since April.

Oh yeah, I see the 2013 now, still getting used to this 2014 nonsense.

prancer

Yeah no I've been registered for "VEC only" since 2010. What happened to me was back in 2010 a job was coming up in Geography (while I was subbing) in a particular school and I was on the panel. I was then given the advice (shall we say) to skip doing the Dip and go ahead with a masters because it was a way superior qualification to have and by the time I would be finished it, the job would be advertised and I'd be in with a great chance of securing. Over the two years though, everything changed and in 2012 when the job did come up, I was told in the interview that because I didnt have the dip done, it didnt look great, especially going into full hours. It wasnt up for redeployment either and the person who told me to do the masters was on the interview panel.

So i decided to spend another 9k and go and do the dip (in my second year of it) and still sub where I could and work part time (to try pay off debt for masters and current cost of PDE). When I was on the hunt for TP, i met with a principal who told me that if I had conditional registration i.e. VEC only, he couldnt pay me after September 2013 for extra hours I would do for him. I told him that it didnt matter in the end, that if he would sign them off as being extra hours, the college would take them as an add on to my TP, which may look better for me.

Only thing is the school that I did my TP in, then informed me more or less that there is a teacher retiring next year....a UK qualified teacher is teaching there since 2012 without having done the history of education exam and is teaching the same subjects as me, with majority of her hours in Irish. She told me shes not that bothered in doing the HOE exam but if i had notes on it, would i give her some- she was actually in the same class as me for undergrad and shes lovely so I passed them on.

I just don't understand her story either- can she be technically fully registered without having that done or I would I be in with a chance against her for those hours. When I asked her about the pay thing she hadnt a clue about it and shrugged it off saying it doesnt affect her now shes in the job.

All I want to know is will my registration have to be reviewed again in April or will it be cancelled because it says on the sheet that it expires this year. I'm just wondering do I re-apply all over again or can i renew another year with an extension and keep my number. I contacted the TC and I cant have full registration before I complete dip and THEY SAID SCHOOLS CAN PAY ME. This is myself and the two others are totally confused.

I just want to be able to keep my reg number for CVs for when I apply agan. There's three of us in more or less the same situation in the school I am in now so any bit of advice for us is appreciated. Also, should we consider joining a union?

To be honest, if I have to miss out on a months pay in May I dont care- I've been with the VEC four years now and if it wasnt for that principal in the start taking a chance on me I wouldnt be in the door (no matter how bad the advice given to me was- that a masters was better that a PDE). I'm trying to rack up as much experience and CPD courses as I can so that I will be the best candidate in the next interview.

I never knew there were so many loops to jump through for teaching! I feel like I will never get there.

Miss Lockhart

Ok. If your conditional registration time frame is ending but you haven't completed the 300 hours you need to ask the TC for an extension. I know lots of people who have done this and everyone has had it granted. Seems to be a formality in this era of unemployment and low hours. But until you ask you won't know.

Other than that there is no reason you can't maintain your VEC Only Registration until you complete the dip and continue to be paid in VEC schools. I don't understand about the principal telling you he couldn't pay you, unless it was outside the VEC sector obviously.

prancer

Thanks a mill for clearing it up. Ill get onto them nearer the time about the extension. No it was community college in the VEC, that's what had me confused rightly. Maybe he just had it wrong.

Chris68

prancer wrote: »

Thanks a mill for clearing it up. Ill get onto them nearer the time about the extension. No it was community college in the VEC, that's what had me confused rightly. Maybe he just had it wrong.

"VEC Only" registration was in process of being scraped. Previously you could work in a VEC without HDip but not anymore. Not sure when deadline was but thought Easter 2013? If you already had a job (CID) you could keep it but thats not the same as keeping your registration with the TC.

Miss Lockhart

Chris68 wrote: »

"VEC Only" registration was in process of being scraped. Previously you could work in a VEC without HDip but not anymore. Not sure when deadline was but thought Easter 2013? If you already had a job (CID) you could keep it but thats not the same as keeping your registration with the TC.

That's not true. It has been scrapped for new registrants but those already registered under this system maintain VEC only registration, job or no job.

Pinkycharm

As far as i know its still there, there is a teacher with VEC only registration in our school and she wanted to try and leave to the non ETB sector but thinks she won't get paid- she got an extension for the 300 hours until dec15. She has the interview got and everything but she was going to cancel it because they wouldn't be able to pay her. Is that true though?