Insert stove

Mariemad

Hi all

Need help in deciding on an insert stove. My sitting room measurements are 11.3 x15.5 x 7.9 feet

My local co op has the dimplex 4.3kw insert on offer for 450 at the moment. Price looks good.Does any one know if these are good?? If not what would you recommend

I am also looking into getting new fireplace. Is there anything I need to watch out for when buying one to go with an insert stove.

House about 20 years old. 2 story semi detached. Don't need a boiler

Any help would be appreciated

JuliusCaesar

Mariemad wrote: »

I am also looking into getting new fireplace. Is there anything I need to watch out for when buying one to go with an insert stove

Do you mean a mantlepiece?

If you're getting an insert stove, get one that's more kw than your measurements suggest. I got an insert stove according to the room measurements, having been assured by the company that I'd have the doors open because of the heat, and despite me telling them that I really feel the cold - anyway, I have the doors closed AND the central heating on to bring the room to 22 degrees which is what I need when just sitting down watching TV in the evening. In fact the room has just got up to that when it's time for me to go to bed.

Very annoyed that the company didn't even bother to apologise to me about it after I let them know it didn't do what it was supposed to do, it cost enough money between getting the old mantel removed the chimney breast redone, the stove inserted, and the cost of the stove itself.

Mariemad

Sorry yes mean mantle piece

I saw a nice marble one but some said I be better off getting granite - just trying to find out more opinions on this

Thanks for the tip about the stove. Last thing I want to do is get a insert stove that doesn't heat the room

Y2KBOS86

Mariemad wrote: »

Sorry yes mean mantle piece

I saw a nice marble one but some said I be better off getting granite - just trying to find out more opinions on this

Thanks for the tip about the stove. Last thing I want to do is get a insert stove that doesn't heat the room

Does it has to be an insert stove Mariemad?

Before you do anything have a decent stove fitter come have a look at your setup.

Might be wasting alot of money getting a new mantle piece and other bits etc.

Alot of people are recommending freestanding stoves over insert stoves these days.

Heat comes from all sides and radiates well.

You will can get a small 6.5kw stove like the waterford stanly Oisin and it will sit on the hearth.

Your local co-op have them for 400 - 500.

http://www.stovecentre.ie/product.php?id_product=284

This is my one I got installed 2 months ago.





Stove cost 400 from the co-op and fitting including parts cost 200.

600 euro all together, I have been told I should have a bit more heart in front of the stove ( stop hot coal getting on carpet ).

Getting an extra piece built for 80 euro, don't really need it though the guards in the stove are very good and very hard for coal to fall out.

It's a great stove anyway, really happy with, should have got one years ago.

Deadly heat out of it, I have a small enough sitting room, 18 feet by 15 feet and the room is over 30c after two or three hours, I have to open the door and let heat out the hall, get's very warm.Easy to clean as well.

JuliusCaesar

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

If you're getting an insert stove, get one that's more kw than your measurements suggest. I got an insert stove according to the room measurements, having been assured by the company that I'd have the doors open because of the heat, and despite me telling them that I really feel the cold - anyway, I have the doors closed AND the central heating on to bring the room to 22 degrees which is what I need when just sitting down watching TV in the evening.

My living room is 13.25m2 with 3m high ceiling, so approx 40m3, with a large bay window - but new double-glazed windows were installed prior to the arrival of the stove.

It's a Marvic MF insert stove, 4.5kW


It has a supposed refuelling interval of 1 hour. It's certainly less than the open fire, I do use a lot less fuel, dunno how often I'm throwing logs in though.

Colser

I got an insert stove approx 6 weeks ago...7kw...I regret not getting a stand alone stove already..I would advise you to do your homework on them before you decide...if you know anyone with one check if they are happy with the heat output....have a look at other threads on here about insert stoves...i wish i had read them before i spent big money on it..I did get the marble fireplace at the same time and i love it...

hawkelady

Check out the Stovax riva range. I have one and it's the best thing we ever bought for the house. Looks class too , pm me if you want more info.

JuliusCaesar

Colser wrote: »

I got an insert stove approx 6 weeks ago...7kw...I regret not getting a stand alone stove already..

How big is the room you are heating? And what make stove is it?



I'm wondering if there isn't a problem with the kWs-needed calculation for insert stoves. Or maybe it's the make of stove.

bazbrady

Several friends have different make stoves and to be honest I have seen two with inset stoves which give out plenty of heat,from what I have seen people are expecting too much from cheaper stoves..one I have seen in a room a little smaller than those measurements is the morso inset to fit a standard irish /uk fireplace only came onto the market last year I think..the heat out of it is amazing .a lot of this is to do with the quality of morso and its primary secondary and tertiary burning system.nothing wrong with insets from ones ive seen if you pay the money and buy the best...

JuliusCaesar

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

My living room is 13.25m2 with 3m high ceiling, so approx 40m3, with a large bay window - but new double-glazed windows were installed prior to the arrival of the stove.

It's a Marvic MF insert stove, 4.5kW


It has a supposed refuelling interval of 1 hour. It's certainly less than the open fire, I do use a lot less fuel, dunno how often I'm throwing logs in though.

Refuelling about every 45 minutes - I throw in another log.

The Marvic wasn't cheap! It is multi-fuel though and the grate thing is a bit difficult to manuever though. Must check it isn't on the coal setting, but it's difficult to see.

DenisCork

I have a Meg inset 5kw wood burner in a room of similar size to yours. I go through 1 small log every hour and it belts out plenty of heat. Stoves are like everything else - you get what you pay for.

Y2KBOS86

DenisCork wrote: »

I have a Meg inset 5kw wood burner in a room of similar size to yours. I go through 1 small log every hour and it belts out plenty of heat. Stoves are like everything else - you get what you pay for.

Your seems very efficient!

What logs are you using?

Where do you get them?

DenisCork

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

Your seems very efficient!

What logs are you using?

Where do you get them?

I use kiln dried hardwood (beech) from the local builders providers, they sell it by the bag or crate. I had reservations about buying a wood burner in case it was expensive to run but so far I'm very happy.

Y2KBOS86

DenisCork wrote: »

I use kiln dried hardwood (beech) from the local builders providers, they sell it by the bag or crate. I had reservations about buying a wood burner in case it was expensive to run but so far I'm very happy.

Sounds good.

I will try to get some of that kiln dried hardwood.

Zara79

Hey
I have been looking at a bilberry inset stove, I have a quote for €340 by far the best I've found but only has the black finish

John T Carroll

Mariemad wrote: »

Hi all

Need help in deciding on an insert stove. My sitting room measurements are 11.3 x15.5 x 7.9 feet

My local co op has the dimplex 4.3kw insert on offer for 450 at the moment. Price looks good.Does any one know if these are good?? If not what would you recommend

I am also looking into getting new fireplace. Is there anything I need to watch out for when buying one to go with an insert stove.

House about 20 years old. 2 story semi detached. Don't need a boiler

Any help would be appreciated

My oil fired heating system was out of service for 6 days over Christmas due to an underfloor leak which fortunately I was able to find and repair.
During this period I used 2 oil filled radiators to maintain house heating. I had energy monitors fitted to these so was able to record exactly how much heat was required to maintain room temperatures. One of my rooms is of almost exactly the same dimensions as yours and required 1.0 Kwh/hr to maintain 21C from an ambient of 4C to 6C.The house is over 40 years old of cavity BLOCK construction with double glazing, the room is North facing and never receives any sunlight. Based on this a 5 KW stove should fit your needs, 4 or 5 kw should get the room up to temperature relatively quickly and the stove firing can then be reduced to around "25%" of maximim.Of course this assumes that the stove(s) produce their rated output, which, from reading all the posts, is a big problem with some.
It might be worth borrowing a 2.5 Kw oil filled radiator (or an electric fan heater with thermostatic control)and an energy monitor and see how much energy is required to maintain your desired room temperature. Not only will this give you, in my opinion, the actual energy required, but also a good stick to beat someone with if your chosen stove doesnt perform, JuliusCaesar could also do this (retrospectively) and use as evidence in a dispute with the stove provider.

timmy4u2

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Do you mean a mantlepiece?

If you're getting an insert stove, get one that's more kw than your measurements suggest. I got an insert stove according to the room measurements, having been assured by the company that I'd have the doors open because of the heat, and despite me telling them that I really feel the cold - anyway, I have the doors closed AND the central heating on to bring the room to 22 degrees which is what I need when just sitting down watching TV in the evening. In fact the room has just got up to that when it's time for me to go to bed.

Very annoyed that the company didn't even bother to apologise to me about it after I let them know it didn't do what it was supposed to do, it cost enough money between getting the old mantel removed the chimney breast redone, the stove inserted, and the cost of the stove itself.

A friend of mine in the trade said if you are using a stove as you would use a fireplace then do not get a cast iron stove as they take far too long to heat up and when you are gone to bed they continue to heat the room when it is not needed.
He said cast stoves are only for those who have them lighting for many hours.

John T Carroll

John T Carroll wrote: »

My oil fired heating system was out of service for 6 days over Christmas due to an underfloor leak which fortunately I was able to find and repair.
During this period I used 2 oil filled radiators to maintain house heating. I had energy monitors fitted to these so was able to record exactly how much heat was required to maintain room temperatures. One of my rooms is of almost exactly the same dimensions as yours and required 1.0 Kwh/hr to maintain 21C from an ambient of 4C to 6C.The house is over 40 years old of cavity BLOCK construction with double glazing, the room is North facing and never receives any sunlight. Based on this a 5 KW stove should fit your needs, 4 or 5 kw should get the room up to temperature relatively quickly and the stove firing can then be reduced to around "25%" of maximim.Of course this assumes that the stove(s) produce their rated output, which, from reading all the posts, is a big problem with some.
It might be worth borrowing a 2.5 Kw oil filled radiator (or an electric fan heater with thermostatic control)and an energy monitor and see how much energy is required to maintain your desired room temperature. Not only will this give you, in my opinion, the actual energy required, but also a good stick to beat someone with if your chosen stove doesnt perform, JuliusCaesar could also do this (retrospectively) and use as evidence in a dispute with the stove provider.

Some more info from the oil filled radiators above. My combined Dining and Sitting Room of 50.9 M3 (1797 FT3) only required 0.9 Kwh/hr to maintain 21C from an ambient of 2C to 4C but my Kitchen (with no cooking going on) of 32 M3 (1130 FT3) required 1.02 Kwh/hr to maintain 18.5C from the same ambient conditions. Generally, it would seem that a max of 1.5 Kwh/hr would maintain almost any desired temperature even with sub zero ambient temperatures in any of my rooms and this is in a 40 year old semi-detached house of cavity block construction.

Zara79

This is a great read guys...

what would your opinion be on this one I have selected.... just waiting to hear back from a installer on a date and i will purchase!!

BTW my heart is set on the inset

www.davies.ie/heating/stoves/bilbery-inset

buck55

Hi,
Sorry for jumping in on this post but I really need some advice! I'm just embarking on a new build and I have to decide on my stove so that the correct dimensions are left for the chimney, I''m under time pressure so have to pick a stove in the next day or two and working so its hard to get chance to look. I was hoping to purchase a multi-fuel insert stove that is flush with the wall. I would like a good Kw output to the room and there are about 16 - 18 radiators to benefit from it. I'm finding it really hard to locate what I am looking for. Today I drove a long journey to a shop that sells insert stoves from Poland. They have one that is 30Kw output called Hestia, Zuz of 10 to the room and 20 to the rads. It looks nice with a large glass front. Does anyone know about these? Or where I can also look for a suitable stove that is also aesthetically pleasing? Thanks

amber2

buck55 wrote: »

Hi,
Sorry for jumping in on this post but I really need some advice! I'm just embarking on a new build and I have to decide on my stove so that the correct dimensions are left for the chimney, I''m under time pressure so have to pick a stove in the next day or two and working so its hard to get chance to look. I was hoping to purchase a multi-fuel insert stove that is flush with the wall. I would like a good Kw output to the room and there are about 16 - 18 radiators to benefit from it. I'm finding it really hard to locate what I am looking for. Today I drove a long journey to a shop that sells insert stoves from Poland. They have one that is 30Kw output called Hestia, Zuz of 10 to the room and 20 to the rads. It looks nice with a large glass front. Does anyone know about these? Or where I can also look for a suitable stove that is also aesthetically pleasing? Thanks

What part of the country are you in, couldn't recommend these guys enough based on my own experiences.

http://www.southernstovesandfireplaces.net

buck55

Hi thanks so much amber2 - I'm based in Dublin at the moment but building in Laois. I don't mind travelling anywhere to get something that's of a good standard. I'm just concerned about the stove I saw yesterday as I can't find out anything about the brand online and its a lot of money for a stove that doesn't have any other stockists etc. etc. I will certainly contact the above link mentioned and see if they have anything suitable - thanks.

Farmer Dan

http://www.thestoveshop.ie/Contact-Us_W3620.cfm

This company stocks the hestia stoves.

cerastes

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

Does it has to be an insert stove Mariemad?

Before you do anything have a decent stove fitter come have a look at your setup.

Might be wasting alot of money getting a new mantle piece and other bits etc.

Alot of people are recommending freestanding stoves over insert stoves these days.

Heat comes from all sides and radiates well.

You will can get a small 6.5kw stove like the waterford stanly Oisin and it will sit on the hearth.

Your local co-op have them for 400 - 500.

http://www.stovecentre.ie/product.php?id_product=284

This is my one I got installed 2 months ago.


Stove cost 400 from the co-op and fitting including parts cost 200.

600 euro all together, I have been told I should have a bit more heart in front of the stove ( stop hot coal getting on carpet ).

Getting an extra piece built for 80 euro, don't really need it though the guards in the stove are very good and very hard for coal to fall out.

It's a great stove anyway, really happy with, should have got one years ago.

Deadly heat out of it, I have a small enough sitting room, 18 feet by 15 feet and the room is over 30c after two or three hours, I have to open the door and let heat out the hall, get's very warm.Easy to clean as well.

I prefer the inset stoves myself for the look but I'm concerned about all Ive read, there doesnt seem to be much in the difference between your stove and cheap ones I have seen on offer.
Ive seen freestanding stoves in a recess where there is an air space around it in the recess/nook so the heat can get into the room, I think that can look ok. The exhaust duct is sealed where it goes to the chimney or outside. Yours seems like a good price. what part of the country is that in?
When you say local co-op, do you mean builders providers or is there some co-op of builders providers, My living room is similar in size, but by no means do I consider it small, if anything, most living rooms I've seen are smaller.

bazbrady wrote: »

Several friends have different make stoves and to be honest I have seen two with inset stoves which give out plenty of heat,from what I have seen people are expecting too much from cheaper stoves..one I have seen in a room a little smaller than those measurements is the morso inset to fit a standard irish /uk fireplace only came onto the market last year I think..the heat out of it is amazing .a lot of this is to do with the quality of morso and its primary secondary and tertiary burning system.nothing wrong with insets from ones ive seen if you pay the money and buy the best...

Whats the other one you've seen?
I prefer the look of the inset, so if it ever goes ahead it'll be one, the freestanding is fine in some houses but in a standard living room it sticks out too much for my liking and it needs to work as expected, with the idea of offsetting/reducing the ch useage or providing excess heat that it can be able to leak heat into the rest of the house.
I think multi fuel would be where Id be aiming at too.